INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[cobra commando]

INS Vikramaditya to get teeth, will be fitted with Barak missiles - Rediff.com India News

 

[uoftotaku]

Seems they are temporarily installing salvaged Barak-1 system from another vessel! Actually a good solution since the ship cannot be left defenseless while waiting for Barak-2 to receive FOC.

 

[SajeevJino]

Seems they are temporarily installing salvaged Barak-1 system from another vessel! Actually a good solution since the ship cannot be left defenseless while waiting for Barak-2 to receive FOC.

the ship already have AK 630 CIWS , I think four of them,

The Barak 1 should be a PMDS for Vikky

 

[tarunraju]

2 Vikrant-class aircraft carriers

IAC 2 / Vishal isn't Vikrant-class. It's reportedly a 75,000T vessel with nuclear propulsion and steam catapult flight deck. IAC 1 will be the only ship of its kind.

 

[SajeevJino]

IAC 2 / Vishal isn't Vikrant-class. It's reportedly a 75,000T vessel with nuclear propulsion and steam catapult flight deck. IAC 1 will be the only ship of its kind.

sir EMALS on progress .!! no steam catapults

 

[jackprince]

sir EMALS on progress .!! no steam catapults

The IN is deliberating of EMAL, but have not fixed on it. Even the EMAL fitted on USS Gerald R. Ford is reportedly not upto the standard as reported here .

All the reports of IN about EMAL is 'could' or 'like to' or 'may'. No where it is said to be a done deal.

I also think, that at the least let the system work on US ships first for a while without any glitch, rather than jumping on it. Particularly, if CATOBAR is sufficient for the immediate task and can be built in house(?), why depend on some unique system which has not been used operationally yet? It would be very unwise given India doesn't have a fleet of ACs to reply on if the system fails or develops glitches which would require total overhaul.

 

[SajeevJino]

The IN is deliberating of EMAL, but have not fixed on it. Even the EMAL fitted on USS Gerald R. Ford is reportedly not upto the standard as reported here .

you can't find a single article in Sputnik says US tech is good and worth of it

also the same report mentions bloomberg quoted, not who said, the Ford class have the EMALS and it's working well, with EMALS we have less space and less operating cost and less maintenance

All the reports of IN about EMAL is 'could' or 'like to' or 'may'. No where it is said to be a done deal.

last time I heard that IN get positive news from General Atmoics to the Transfer of EMALS to IAC 2, while IAC 2 in still design phase

I also think, that at the least let the system work on US ships first for a while without any glitch, rather than jumping on it. Particularly, if CATOBAR is sufficient for the immediate task and can be built in house(?), why depend on some unique system which has not been used operationally yet? It would be very unwise given India doesn't have a fleet of ACs to reply on if the system fails or develops glitches which would require total overhaul.

the maintenance issue and and huge operating cost compared to EMALS

 

[SajeevJino]

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more on EMALS

from Stratpost Saurabh Joshi

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from Manu Pubby

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[grampiguy]

The problem is not the purchase of the system. Its quite clear now that American government has no problem in selling EMALS, AAG or PLS for Indian future aircraft carrier. The issue is that these systems are not ready yet and their failure rate is quite high. You have to keep in mind that a failure rate of this kind during high sea duty would be catastrophic.

See the following reports from two authoritative sources:
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U.S. GAO - Defense Acquisitions: Assessments of Selected Weapon Programs

"Deficiencies affecting water twister components—used to absorb energy when arresting aircraft—of the advanced arresting gear (AAG) technology continue to disrupt the system's development. Recent water twister redesign proved unsuccessful in testing last year. The Navy resolved problems with the redesign and is planning for concurrent testing.......

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2013/pdf/other/2013DOTEAnnualReport.pdf

Aircraft compatibility testing continued in 2013. Approximately 400 aircraft launches are being conducted using EA-18G, F/A-18E, F/A-18C, E-2D, T-45, and C-2 aircraft. The Navy has also conducted an additional 1,200 dead-load launches (non-aircraft, weight equivalent, simulated launches). Approximately 55 percent of the EMALS government furnished equipment (GFE) has been delivered to the shipyard.

At the Lakehurst, New Jersey, test site, over 1,967 launches have been conducted and 201 chargeable failures"¦. approximately 240 Mean Cycles Between Critical Failure"¦ where a cycle represents the launch of one aircraft. Based on expected reliability growth, the failure rate is presently five times higher than should be expected.

"¦.Testing to date has demonstrated that AAG should be able to recover aircraft planned for the CVN-78 air wing, but as with EMALS, AAG's reliability is uncertain. At the Lakehurst, New Jersey test site, 71 arrestments were conducted earlier this year and 9 chargeable failures occurred. The Program Office estimates that AAG has approximately 20 Mean Cycles Between Operational Mission Failure"¦. 248 times higher than should be expected."

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It is possible that by the time Indian requirements are firmed up, these three systems would be mature enough to be ready to install. However, if they are not, it would be wise for IN to go for a mix of two steam catapults and two EMALS to minimize the risk. But there is no doubt that INS Vishal will have to be a catobar carrier of minimum 80-85000 ton full load displacement with nuclear propulsion. That class of carriers will give IN the heft for out of area/expeditionary operations.

 

[SajeevJino]

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Sorry if already posted

INS Vikramaditya completes a year with the Indian Navy

According to Sergey Marichev, Deputy Director General of the defense shipyard Sevmash, where the carrier has been substantially re-born, the Indian Navy has been using the ship intensively for the entire year. It spent more than 220 days at sea. “And that's more than the aircraft carrier spent in the Northern Seas on factory tests in two years,” the Severodvinsk shipyard said in a press note.

Since the official transfer of Vikramaditya, several Indian leaders have the visited the ship, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi. In the presence of distinguished guests, and in a conventional setting, the MiG-26 K/KUBs have carried out 240 takeoffs and landings. As a result, the Indian pilots under the supervision of the MiG Corp completed the entire training program, including the preparation for independent night flights.

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/1...pletes_a_year_with_the_indian_navy_39921.html

 

[Anikastha]

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Sorry if already posted

INS Vikramaditya completes a year with the Indian Navy

According to Sergey Marichev, Deputy Director General of the defense shipyard Sevmash, where the carrier has been substantially re-born, the Indian Navy has been using the ship intensively for the entire year. It spent more than 220 days at sea. “And that's more than the aircraft carrier spent in the Northern Seas on factory tests in two years,” the Severodvinsk shipyard said in a press note.

Since the official transfer of Vikramaditya, several Indian leaders have the visited the ship, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi. In the presence of distinguished guests, and in a conventional setting, the MiG-26 K/KUBs have carried out 240 takeoffs and landings. As a result, the Indian pilots under the supervision of the MiG Corp completed the entire training program, including the preparation for independent night flights.

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/1...pletes_a_year_with_the_indian_navy_39921.html

I think its MIG-29K..I never heard about mig-26

 

[Defencearts]

IAC 2 / Vishal isn't Vikrant-class. It's reportedly a 75,000T vessel with nuclear propulsion and steam catapult flight deck. IAC 1 will be the only ship of its kind.

Are you sure? Vishal is still being called a Vikrant class by many news outlets.

 

[cobra commando]

After refit, Vikramaditya ready to join Navy

Aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya will sail out of the harbour in Karwar after its first short refit and join the Navy in a week, Vice- Admiral P. Murugesan, Vice-Chief of the Naval Staff, said here on Tuesday. He was briefing presspersons on a seminar, “Innovation and indigenisation — sailing towards self-reliance” being organised by the Navy on Thursday and Friday. Vikramaditya, acquired from Russia for $2.3 billion, was commissioned into the Navy in November 2013 without the crucial air-defence systems. They are now being installed during the “guaranteed refit”, in addition to scheduled maintenance, by the original equipment manufacturer. The Israeli-supplied Barak-1 point defence missile system and the Russian-origin AK-630 close-in weapon system, borrowed from a to-be-decommissioned Godavari- class ship, were installed on the carrier. The carrier was originally scheduled to receive a long-range surface-to-air missile system under joint development with Israel. But delay in its development resulted in the carrier being inducted without its own air-defence cover. Vice-Admiral Murugesan said a high-powered committee constituted to evaluate domestic shipyards for the Navy’s next line of submarines under Project 75I had completed its compliance checks. “The report has been submitted to the Defence Ministry,” he said. Tenders will be issued to the shortlisted shipyards once it is approved. Under Project 75I, estimated at over Rs. 50,000 crore, six conventional submarines are to be built by domestic shipyards with foreign collaboration.
After refit, Vikramaditya ready to join Navy

 

[bhramos]

Flight Deck crew of INS Vikramaditya about to start a FOD (Foreign Object Damage) walk down in order to clear the deck for flight operations. INS Viraat CAN be Seen in the background.

 

[Anikastha]

Flight Deck crew of INS Vikramaditya about to start a FOD (Foreign Object Damage) walk down in order to clear the deck for flight operations. INS Viraat CAN be Seen in the background.

When compared to chinese and american carriers our runway looks dirty..

 

[ezsasa]

When compared to chinese and american carriers our runway looks dirty..

Donno about the Americans , but as far as Chinese are concerned every photo they release is a carefully planned staged propaganda. I am pretty sure, reality is far from what they project.

As far as we are concerned, aesthetics is not a priority for us, when Indian defence budget crosses 100 bln USD we will start seeing aesthetics taken care of in our defence photos too.

 

[Bheeshma]

Chinese carrier barely leaves port or lets aircrafts fly. Even 10yr from now it will look pristine since it will only be useful for photoshoots

 

[SajeevJino]

In a first, 44,500-ton aircraft carrier to be refitted in India

India will refit its largest naval warship next year in a major project that will require dry docking the 44,500-ton Vikramaditya aircraft carrier and carrying out maintenance and repair works. Private sector Pipavav Shipyard is set to get the contract for the first major refit of the warship.


The largest dry docking of a warship in India will take place at its biggest such facility in Gujarat that measures over 662 metres in length. While the initial contract value of the refit contract is likely to be around Rs 200 crore, handling the complicated warship will be a significant capability enhancement programme for the private sector.


Sources in the Navy said that INS Vikramaditya will require dry docking and refits at a regular interval of 18 months, according to the design cycle of the ship. The warship was built up at the Sevmash Shipyard and Pipavav is likely to get technology support and training on the refit from Russian state-owned agencies.

"The warship has just completed its guarantee refit at Karwar where air defence weapons were integrated on board. The next major maintenance task will be the dry docking that will take place next year," a Navy official told ET.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/48460608.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[tarunraju]

Good decision not to service it in Russia. They won't give it back.

 

[SajeevJino]

Good decision not to service it in Russia. They won't give it back.

The ship was just come from small refit ( Barak 1 ) .. and now heading for another refit as article suggested , But I think it's a Scheduled maintenance.

Should all ships undergo dry docks for every 18 months ..