INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[nrj]

Its not a secret what PLAN planned at, We Will have Gorshkov in near future so does IAC-1..
In the mean time India planned to purchase at-least 3 Amphibious Assault ships / more like light carriers, Also Viraat will stay for another decade which may made us to buy GR9 from UK..

Kunal,

IAC-1 won't commission before 2015. Gorky will arrive soon but without CIWS. It won't feature active operational CIWS till 2018 i.e. first Indian refit. So, it brings questions if Gorky will be actually on aggressive patrols or will be used for enhanced training till 2017.

Does it mean that only enemy deterrant IN will have in IOR will be Akula, Arihant till 2018?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal,
IAC-1 won't commission before 2015. Gorky will arrive soon but without CIWS. It won't feature active operational CIWS till 2018 i.e. first Indian refit. So, it brings questions if Gorky will be actually on aggressive patrols or will be used for enhanced training till 2017.
Does it mean that only enemy deterrant IN will have in IOR will be Akula, Arihant till 2018?

IAC-1 is coming on 2015 is ok.

Gorky will be a part of CBG, It will be surrounded by other small and big vessels for protection from Cruise missiles and other..
Having not CIWS is no big disadvantage, also note it will feature barak SAM.

Akula uses is very different in Our operational disposal..


Side note:
Also i must say, IN & USN have lot of cooperation in recently, Such as joint patrolling in IOR against piracy, They have a base in IOR where B-52 and other are stationed, recently Acquired P8I and older tu-142me can reach such destination and use the base for joint patrol, the position of this bases is right above main trade routes where pirate activity does effect tankers and raw material supply line for China and other south Asian countries..

 

[mayfair]

Is it really a surprise that China's managed to pull another rabbit out it's hat? I recall smug claims on many fora that Varyag will never fulfill it's destiny as a aircraft carrier, it would be a floating casino, a museum, a hollow hull with no engine and that Russia had made China agree to such affect. Lo behold the aircraft carrier looks an inevitable reality while our moth eaten insanely expensive toy is expected to be delayed yet again.

We must have some latent and not so latent masochistic tendencies ingrained in our genetic makeup that we seem to revel in letting our "friends", not-friends and enemies alike walk all over us time and time again, while they laugh their arses off all the way to the bank. Some superpower indeed.

 

[neo29]

Indian Navy has confirmed that it will have 2 operational AC's by 2015. IN has also said that they will extend the life of INS Viraat by another 10 years. So by 2015 having 3 AC's is good news

China has no experience in AC's. Their plan to make Varyag a floating casino was flop. Rumours are that they refitting the Varyag to gain experience in AC building.

 

[chex3009]

China has no experience in AC's. Their plan to make Varyag a floating casino was flop. Rumours are that they refitting the Varyag to gain experience in AC building.

Can't take that as rumours coz they have already built a mock-up of an AC deck where the PLAN is vigorously training their pilots for the experience which might come handy when they actually operate on refitted Varyag.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Can't take that as rumours coz they have already built a mock-up of an AC deck where the PLAN is vigorously training their pilots for the experience which might come handy when they actually operate on refitted Varyag.

It is a FACT!

That PLAN will have Carrier Varyag on time and additional 2 more on drawing board, One of them is a Nuclear..

As fo IN, We will have ours..



Btw, PLAN carrier program is better off this thread..

 

[Parthy]

Admiral Gorshkov getting ready for mooring trials

Indian Navy's Russian-built aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov is getting ready for mooring trials at the Sevmash Shipyard in Severodvinsk.

Major works on the aircraft carrier to be completed in the coming months would be installation of auxiliary steam piping systems and air conditioning systems.

That would mark the beginning of their completion for mooring trials, the shipyard said.

An Indian team, which is presently in Russia to oversee the refurbishing work on the naval vessel, has also met higher officials of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) which has undertaken the task of repairing and modernising Admiral Gorshkov.

The delivery of the aircraft carrier to India has been delayed since 2008.

India had inked a deal with Russia in 2004 to buy the warship at a cost of $974 million.

However, with the Russian shipyard hiking its cost for repair and refit work, the final price of the aircraft carrier went up to $2.33 billion.

Indian Navy now looks forward to receive the 45,000-tonne warship by 2012 end or early 2013 which will be rechristened as INS Vikramaditya.


http://www.brahmand.com/news/Admiral-Gorshkov-getting-ready-for-mooring-trials/6186/1/10.html

 

[kuku]

Kunal,

IAC-1 won't commission before 2015. Gorky will arrive soon but without CIWS. It won't feature active operational CIWS till 2018 i.e. first Indian refit. So, it brings questions if Gorky will be actually on aggressive patrols or will be used for enhanced training till 2017.

Does it mean that only enemy deterrant IN will have in IOR will be Akula, Arihant till 2018?

Exactly where is this no CIWS till 2018 talk coming from? They are already fitting the ship with all the necessary fittings, if they are going to make room for through deck penetration, power and network connection the actual task of putting a CIWS missile/gun system is not a lengthy one.

In case you are worried about the Chinese carrier sailing under its own power before the INS Vikramaditya, there is no reason for that.

Indian pilots have quite a extensive training program, with an available STOBAR Russian aircraft carrier carrier and ground training facilities, plus training facilities in India, along with the Indian Navy which already has a role for aircraft carriers and the experience of operating them, not to mention the IN also has pilots flying their planes.

As opposed to the PLA-N which will have no access to a actual STOBAR aircraft carrier till their carrier is operational, and still does not have the aircrafts it wants to fly off in service.

The PLA-N carrier will take much longer to become a operational asset for the PLA-N, and i think that is their whole plan with the carrier.

Once it does they can just keep making new ones like crazy, PRC shipbuilding industry is quite an impressive one, and so is the size of their wallet.........

 

[nrj]

Exactly where is this no CIWS till 2018 talk coming from? They are already fitting the ship with all the necessary fittings, if they are going to make room for through deck penetration, power and network connection the actual task of putting a CIWS missile/gun system is not a lengthy one.

In case you are worried about the Chinese carrier sailing under its own power before the INS Vikramaditya, there is no reason for that.

Indian pilots have quite a extensive training program, with an available STOBAR Russian aircraft carrier carrier and ground training facilities, plus training facilities in India, along with the Indian Navy which already has a role for aircraft carriers and the experience of operating them, not to mention the IN also has pilots flying their planes.

As opposed to the PLA-N which will have no access to a actual STOBAR aircraft carrier till their carrier is operational, and still does not have the aircrafts it wants to fly off in service.

The PLA-N carrier will take much longer to become a operational asset for the PLA-N, and i think that is their whole plan with the carrier.

Once it does they can just keep making new ones like crazy, PRC shipbuilding industry is quite an impressive one, and so is the size of their wallet.........

Nobody is worried about 1st PLAN carrier if (?) coming to IOR before Gorky.

It been reported long ago that, INS Vikramaditya won't be fitted with CIWS while commissioning. Not just guns but entire potent CIWS is required. It appears that IN wants to wait for Barak. Task of fitting same being lenghty or not is not question.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[kuku]

Nobody is worried about 1st PLAN carrier if (?) coming to IOR before Gorky.

It been reported long ago that, INS Vikramaditya won't be fitted with CIWS while commissioning. Not just guns but entire potent CIWS is required. It appears that IN wants to wait for Barak. Task of fitting same being lenghty or not is not question.

I dont remember reading anything suggesting a lack of basic CIWS systems, The task is not lengthy at all, IN has had a lot of experience fitting the Barak CIWS to ships, if the IN wants it they can just get the whole thing done well before the ship is inducted.

The ship will come with standard russian CIWS systems, a potent CIWS is a combination of a lot of things, the IN may well be planning to skip Barak installation altogether, as the Kolkata class destroyers will have very modern AESA radars, the required electronics and software, with missiles of both long and short range to take care of any crossing targets on their way to the aircraft carrier, very potent defensive capability if you ask me. For shorter ranges the Russian systems are quite enough.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Barak is too important to be ignored..

Russian or American even PLAN carriers feature Gun & Missile combination, KASHTAN may be CIWS with Short range missiles but Barak is too important as it can engage targets like KH-35/Harpoon class from 10km, barak2 can engage 70kms..

Vikramaditya have space for such installation..

 

[nrj]

I dont remember reading anything suggesting a lack of basic CIWS systems, The task is not lengthy at all, IN has had a lot of experience fitting the Barak CIWS to ships, if the IN wants it they can just get the whole thing done well before the ship is inducted.

Basic self defense will be there except fully-functional CIWS.

The ship will come with standard russian CIWS systems, a potent CIWS is a combination of a lot of things, the IN may well be planning to skip Barak installation altogether, as the Kolkata class destroyers will have very modern AESA radars, the required electronics and software, with missiles of both long and short range to take care of any crossing targets on their way to the aircraft carrier, very potent defensive capability if you ask me. For shorter ranges the Russian systems are quite enough.

Are you talking about Kashtan? I don't think it is being fitted INS Vikramaditya now. It will be incorporated during 1st Indian refit.

Barak is too important for Gorky. It can't be skipped.

 

[kuku]

Kashtan has a missile range of 8-10kms, As opposed to the 10-12kms stated on Barak, Barak itself is an active missile, so it would be less dependent on ship based sensors.

The problem till now has been that Indian Navy never had an escort which could provide similar level of surveillance and area defence as the Kolkata class.

That drawing of Vikramaditya you have posted is not a official drawing, its a representation of what someone things it would look like.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

That drawing of Vikramaditya you have posted is not a official drawing, its a representation of what someone things it would look like.

Exactly, but it was idea of many not only me, i just draw it on a existing pic..

It is most possible draw available for Vikramaditya..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[nrj]

Kashtan CIWS

INS Vikramaditya will receive these unique systems during Indian refit scheduled by 2017.

CAG has reported that Vikramadirya will be delivered with a radar, but no aerial defenses.

 

[nrj]

Some recent info from Sevmash about current status of Vikramaditya

1. The first plane will take off the ship in middle of 2012 (MiG-29K).

2. The readiness is 77% (Dec. 2010). Cables 240 km long.

3. The fans are new - about 1000 units. The pumps are new too.

4. The nose angle is 14 grad.

5. Probably 16 MiG-29K/KUB and 10 helos will be soon made ready for deck.

6. Length of the desk is 283 m. (Previously 273m)


Groupigor

 

[RPK]

http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/2011/02/after-recurrent-asking.html

 

[Crusader53]

I just hope the Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov) doesn't turn into a nightmare in regards to service and support.