INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[bhramos]

Gorskhy .. when are u coming home ???

It will come home in 2014, after a long drive from Russia With Love....

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Guys i think that this is looking like a Photoshop edited pic. What do u think?

 

[Armand2REP]

Guys i think that this is looking like a Photoshop edited pic. What do u think?

Clearly, someone put a model over a real ship in water. Not a bad job as to what she will probably look like cruising.

 

[bhramos]

INS Vikramaditya Dock Trials Begin in Severodvinsk Naval Yard

2011-03-08 Dock trials of the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, the Soviet-built Admiral Gorshkov, which is being refitted for the Indian Navy, began on March 1.

They will take place in the Severodvinsk naval yard, where the much-delayed reconstruction of the ship, decommissioned from the Russian fleet in 1996, is ongoing. The focus of the trials will be the main power generation units and the radio-electronic armament systems, manufactured in India.

The upgrade work, undertaken by the Sevmash shipyard, has been blighted by delays and scandal, including the dismissal of Commander Singh, India's chief representative overseeing the purchase.

Final delivery to India is scheduled for 2012, four years later than originally planned.

-- The Moscow Times

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-5056

 

[Crusader53]

Such a Massive Island...........whats in it???

 

[ace009]

Such a Massive Island...........whats in it???

"Russian Brides" for Indian defence liasions ... :-D :-D

 

[Crusader53]

Indian Navy isnt happy about VIkramaditya, didnt want her in the first place and not to mention, it is 2.9 billion in total!Indian NAvy isnt happy, NO ONE is! It was done to help the Russians!

It clearly won't be a cost effective solution for India and it will likely be retired as soon as enought IAC's come online.

 

[p2prada]

It clearly won't be a cost effective solution for India and it will likely be retired as soon as enought IAC's come online.

The Gorky has more firepower in it's little tubby belly than the whole PN put together. Why will IN be phasing out a strategic asset for IAC. It's the same reason the US still operates the Kitty Hawk even though the Nimitz class is better.

There is a whole new class of AC's(Gerald Ford) coming out and you still have Kitty Hawk running the seas.

Gorky will see the end of it's life in the IN.

 

[Crusader53]

The Gorky has more firepower in it's little tubby belly than the whole PN put together. Why will IN be phasing out a strategic asset for IAC. It's the same reason the US still operates the Kitty Hawk even though the Nimitz class is better.

There is a whole new class of AC's(Gerald Ford) coming out and you still have Kitty Hawk running the seas.

Gorky will see the end of it's life in the IN.

The Vikramaditya is a conversion of a Helocopter Carrying Missile Cruiser. Which, will likely be expensive to own and operate. That plus Russia's record on providing parts and support. Does not translate well for the ex-Gorshkov...

 

[p2prada]

The Vikramaditya is a conversion of a Helocopter Carrying Missile Cruiser. Which, will likely be expensive to own and operate. That plus Russia's record on providing parts and support. Does not translate well for the ex-Gorshkov...

The Gorky isn't as expensive as you put it across. The Gorky was supposed to be an aircraft carrier and cruiser combined. India was looking for a helicopter carrier anyway. We will have a complement of 12 Mig-29k and 10+ helicopters for AEW and ASW. So, it suits our needs.

 

[Crusader53]

The Gorky isn't as expensive as you put it across. The Gorky was supposed to be an aircraft carrier and cruiser combined. India was looking for a helicopter carrier anyway. We will have a complement of 12 Mig-29k and 10+ helicopters for AEW and ASW. So, it suits our needs.

I was referring to the cost of ownership. Including Parts, Logistics, Support, Training, Manning, etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact the IAC-1 will be vastly more efficient.


Let's also not forget the Vikramditya (ex-Gorshkov) is a vast ship with a little Air Wing!

 

[gogbot]

I was referring to the cost of ownership. Including Parts, Logistics, Support, Training, Manning, etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact the IAC-1 will be vastly more efficient.


Let's also not forget the Vikramditya (ex-Gorshkov) is a vast ship with a little Air Wing!

How so ?
the ship is just as big as the french carrier and can carry just many aircraft

 

[p2prada]

I was referring to the cost of ownership. Including Parts, Logistics, Support, Training, Manning, etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact the IAC-1 will be vastly more efficient.


Let's also not forget the Vikramditya (ex-Gorshkov) is a vast ship with a little Air Wing!

Yes. She will be slightly more expensive and inferior to the Vikrant class. But she will suit our needs. I don't see why we will replace a strategic asset before it's life time.

Even the 20 odd aircraft she will carry is a big deal. The air complement is enough for us to completely blockade Karachi.

 

[Armand2REP]

How so ?
the ship is just as big as the french carrier and can carry just many aircraft

It is just as big, but it was not designed to be a full fledged AC. It was an aviation cruiser. Just because they pull out the weapon mounts on the bow doesn't mean you get as much hanger and deck space from a ship that was primarily built to be a warship.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It is just as big, but it was not designed to be a full fledged AC.

Let's also not forget the Vikramditya (ex-Gorshkov) is a vast ship with a little Air Wing!

The Ship is good so does it Aviation Wing of 16 MIG-29K, The Primary Purpose of this ship is to Provide Air support for Fleet as well as commencing Land Attack / AntiShip via MIG-29K, What Rafale is doing Over Libya, IN can do the same, Only Difference is French CV is a dedicated CV and Nuclered power..

As Long As these criteria are filled, Vikramaditya is in our interest..

 

[Armand2REP]

Yes. She will be slightly more expensive and inferior to the Vikrant class. But she will suit our needs. I don't see why we will replace a strategic asset before it's life time.

Even the 20 odd aircraft she will carry is a big deal. The air complement is enough for us to completely blockade Karachi.

Can't you provide air cover to a blockade of Karachi from land bases? It is only a couple hundred km from the nearest IAF base.

 

[Armand2REP]

The Ship is good so does it Aviation Wing of 16 MIG-29K, The Primary Purpose of this ship is to Provide Air support for Fleet as well as commencing Land Attack / AntiShip via MIG-29K, What Rafale is doing Over Libya, IN can do the same, Only Difference is French CV is a dedicated CV and Nuclered power..

As Long As these criteria are filled, Vikramaditya is in our interest..

16 what? The MiG-29K order was for 16 aircraft but 4 of them are UB trainers. That only makes an air wing of 12. As far as ground attack, how much ordinance do you expect to carry with no catapults? It looks like it just makes it off the deck when it is empty. Add some light A2A missiles and it is maxed out. Forget about carrying heavy surface missiles/bombs.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

16 what? The MiG-29K order was for 16 aircraft but 4 of them are UB trainers. That only makes an air wing of 12. As far as ground attack, how much ordinance do you expect to carry with no catapults? It looks like it just makes it off the deck when it is empty. Add some light A2A missiles and it is maxed out. Forget about carrying heavy surface missiles/bombs.

Their are additional Orders..

What is the take off weight of MIG-29K from carriers ?, It can carry moderate amount of payload from carrier including A2G Missiles And Bombs..

It can do Precision Attack, It can give CAP, It can do SEAD also CAS around the clock..

Btw, No one here comparing Rafale with Mig-29k..

 

[Armand2REP]

Their are additional Orders..

Aditional orders for IAC. The first order was for Vikramaditya which is 12.

What is the take off weight of MIG-29K from carriers ?, It can carry moderate amount of payload from carrier including A2G Missiles And Bombs..

It can do Precision Attack, It can give CAP, It can do SEAD also CAS around the clock..

What it can do and what it can't carry without a catapult are two different things. If you can't get off the deck with bombs/missiles/fuel tanks... all of its listed capabilities are meaningless. The carrier loadout specs have never been released for MiG-29K, but if we use the Su-33 as a comparison of things to come, it could never carry a bomb load as it could only take off with a half tank of fuel and 4 AAMs. That is less than a 1000kg payload with a half tank.

Btw, No one here comparing Rafale with Mig-29k..

My criticism is not prejudice, it is universal to anything that doesn't make sense.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Aditional orders for IAC. The first order was for Vikramaditya which is 12.

but if we use the Su-33 as a comparison of things to come, it could never carry a bomb load as it could only take off with a half tank of fuel and 4 AAMs. That is less than a 1000kg payload with a half tank. .

As u said its a first order, I am counting the second too as it can hold 16 therefore needless to say it will hold 16 in her life time..

MIG-29K A2G weapon load depends on the target and range, Fuel tanks for longer range as CAP, Same can be done for A2G role, If the platform cannot carry all the load and duties than its meant to be divided, IN & IAF one wing is more a A2G and other is A2A ( Fighter escort )..