INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

Kunal Biswas

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can someone tell me what kind of air defence system the navy has planed for iac-1,and what will the gorkshkov have?



kashtan ciws




# Target range from 500 to 8,000 m
# Target altitude from 500 m to 3,500 m
# Maximum speed - rocket: 600 m/s - 900 m/s
# Number of targets engaged simultaneously: up to 6
# Reaction Time: 6-8 Seconds
# Rate of fire: 10,000–12,000 rds/min
# Cartridge types: 30 mm with HE-Frag, Frag-T, HEI, APT, AP, and CC(Cargo Carrying)




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Barak II

In January 2007, after several months of intense negotiations, India and Israel signed a US$330 million deal to co-develop an all new generation of the Barak SAM, which was to be known as the Barak II. It has also been called Barak 8.They have worked out an agreement to develop and produce the long-range Barak air defence system for both the Indian and the Israeli militaries. The initial co-development funding is about US$350 million, of which IAI will finance 50 per cent. The venture is a tripartite one, between the DRDO, the Indian Navy, and IAI. The missile is referred to as the LRSAM in Indian Government literature, and will have a range of 70 km (43 mi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_(missile)




Its probably same specification for IAC-1 but with more CIWS and Barak launch pads..
 

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Impressive in size yet somewhat limited in capability. Clearly, a Conventional Aircraft Carrier Equipped with both Catapults and Arresting Gear is far more capable. Which, is likely why both India and the UK are going to build such ships.


That said, I would still prefer the ex-Gorshkov than nothing at all. Hopefully, the IAC-1 could be converted with catapults at some later date???
 

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Russian and Indian Admiral Discuss Training of Indian Crew for Vikramaditya

Admiral Vladimir Sergeevich Vysotskiy, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy is visiting India from 17 -19 Jan 11 at the invitation of Admiral Nirmal Verma, Chief of Naval Staff. After paying homage to the martyrs at the Amar Jawan Jyoti at India Gate, the Admiral called on Admiral Nirmal Verma.

The two Admirals had discussions on issues of common interest ranging from the maritime environment in the IOR, operational philosophies of the two navies, ongoing projects of Indian Navy and mutual training exchanges. Discussions on ongoing projects included detailed deliberations on the training of Indian Naval personnel for the operation of aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, scheduled to commence later this year. Whilst discussing the maritime environment, specific emphasis was laid on the growing threat of piracy in the IOR and various possibilities for the two navies to co-operate. Other matters discussed included possibilities for instituting Navy-to-Navy interactions with 'staff talks' and the feasibility of enhancing the scope of the INDRA exercises between the Indian Navy and the Russian Navy.

India and Russia share deep historical linkages for over fifty years and in recent years defence relations between the two countries have transformed into a strategic partnership with various joint developmental programmes. Indian Navy and Russian Navy have regularly conducted joint exercises named 'INDRA' since 2003. Five exercises have been held so far. The last exercise INDRA 09/01 was conducted off Goa and INS Beas made a port call at St Petersburg.

During this visit to India, Admiral Vysotskiy will also be visiting the Western Naval Command on 18th Jan, where he will be visiting INS Shivalik, the indigenously built stealth frigate.

Admiral Vysotskiy, a graduate from the Black Sea Naval College and the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces has served as the Chief of Staff of the Baltic Fleet and Commander of the Northern Fleet before taking over as the Commander-in-Chief in 2007.

SOURCE : PIB
 

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Indian, Russian navies for expanding scope of ties

The navies of India and Russia on Monday discussed the scope of further expanding professional relations, including bilateral exercises. They also shared notes on the maritime environment in the Indian Ocean region amid the enlarging threat of piracy.

Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Sergeevich Vysotskiy, who arrived here on a three-day visit, met Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma and discussed issues of common interest.

India, like Russia, operates independently in the Gulf of Aden region against piracy and both naval chiefs exchanged views on the possibilities for the two navies to cooperate.

They also talked on the operational philosophies of the two navies and bilateral projects, Indian Navy spokesman Cmd. P.V. S. Satish said.

With India scheduled to get aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkhov) towards the end of 2013, the two naval chiefs discussed about training of personnel of the Indian Navy, expected to commence later this year.

Since 2003, both navies have regularly conducted joint exercises named 'INDRA.' Five exercises have been held so far, with the last being held in January 2009, off Goa. Talks revolved around the possibility of expanding its nature by including Special Forces in future editions.

Admiral Vysotskiy will visit the Western Naval Command on Tuesday and have a look at indigenously-built stealth frigate INS Shivalik.


http://hindu.com/2011/01/18/stories/2011011864841100.htm
 

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Indian, Russian navies for expanding scope of ties

With India scheduled to get aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkhov) towards the end of 2013, the two naval chiefs discussed about training of personnel of the Indian Navy, expected to commence later this year.

http://hindu.com/2011/01/18/stories/2011011864841100.htm
WTF, Wasn't it going to be delivered by the end of 2012??? If this is true, nightmare for Indian Navy. And what is India doing about Russia who is playing such tricks, How can we trust Russians for the PAK-FA when an AC is being delayed like anything.
 

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WTF, Wasn't it going to be delivered by the end of 2012??? If this is true, nightmare for Indian Navy. And what is India doing about Russia who is playing such tricks, How can we trust Russians for the PAK-FA when an AC is being delayed like anything.
they are sleeping and nobody has right to distrub them

guys cant you see why russia is delaying AC just because of china
 

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good so behind the door russia is helping china by delaying AC and we are just watching there game
 

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^^^ if above news is true then russia itself is hurting its own case . the more they delay more would india drift away form russian haerdwares
 

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they are sleeping and nobody has right to distrub them

guys cant you see why russia is delaying AC just because of china
Indian delegations are visiting frequently to review the progress.. anybody having any latest update on what work is still pending?? As planned, AC should enter for sea trial during mid-2011 with on board Indian crew for training and will be handed over by dec2011.. fear that's going to be pulled for another year..
 

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Indian delegations are visiting frequently to review the progress.. anybody having any latest update on what work is still pending?? As planned, AC should enter for sea trial during mid-2011 with on board Indian crew for training and will be handed over by dec2011.. fear that's going to be pulled for another year..
I think when ever the Indian delegation visits Russia, they would be looked after well by serving Good Vodka and Gals, They come back and say that its Progressing well a good sign.
LoL
 

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WTF, Wasn't it going to be delivered by the end of 2012??? If this is true, nightmare for Indian Navy. And what is India doing about Russia who is playing such tricks, How can we trust Russians for the PAK-FA when an AC is being delayed like anything.
Well, the Indian Navy will get the INS Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkhov) by the end of 2012. Yet, it will take India time to get the ship worked up and ready to go on it's first deployment.


That is unless something has changed?????
 

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Refit of INS Vikramaditya enters a new phase

Shipbuilders of Sevmash are well aware of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (former aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov) which is being reconditioned for Indian Navy. That is natural – they have spent much trouble on the carrier to achieve current impressive appearance.

Few days ago I had a chance to meet with production director No. 4 (military technical cooperation) Sergei Novoselov, his deputy Georgy Zhukov, and deliverer-in-charge Igor Leonov in floating base Severnaya. The project's top managers wanted to share more than good news with Korabel; an important construction phase – electrification of INS Vikramaditya – had been finished. And take note, it happened one month ahead of time specified in the general schedule!

Georgy ZHUKOV: Now all four central switchboards are electrified, so we can begin to start mechanisms which are over 1 500. We're going to "open" the first hundred of them in the nearest days. In other words, the phase of adjustment works starts.


Georgy ZHUKOV: Another complex operation was alignment of four shaftlines. We have finished assembling of turbine-geared propulsion units, turbo-generators, diesels, and eight boilers (each one weights 40 tons and is as high as a 2-storey building).

KORABEL: Ships of this kind are often called floating airfields, but aircraft system is a totally new experience for Sevmash shipbuilders, right?

Igor LEONOV: Nevertheless, we've already mounted three arresters, two aircraft elevators, takeoff retaining devices for aircraft tests (designed by Corporation MiG especially for INS Vikramaditya), and numerous ammunition holds. Assembling of aircraft fuel, nitrogen, and oxygen storage and supply system is another technically complicated problem in terms of safety; however, it was successfully done as well.


Let's go ahead. Electronic warfare systems include over 100 various antennas and 60 battle control stations. On November 30 we completed mounting of 600 electronic warfare devices, and electricians from Arktika have already started to connect them.

Georgy ZHUKOV: We're going to finish fire tests by January 15, 2011. This will make possible to wash hull systems by conditioning oils. And then everything will be done step by step: beginning of mooring trials in February-March 2011 which is entirely in accordance with general schedule, and sea trials will start in November 2011 in the White Sea. They will continue in 2012 in the Barents Sea. Air wing will be tested there, as well as operability of 'ship-aircraft' system.

Igor LEONOV: We will conduct dock inspection of the ship's hull in winter 2011-2012 in Murmansk. INS Vikramaditya will head for India in December 2012. Nonetheless, Sevmash will provide a one-year long warranty service after delivery of the carrier and then a 19-year long post-warranty service.

KORABEL: Shipwrights of Sevmash have been working closely with Indian military observers through the whole period of construction"¦

Sergei NOVOSELOV: Those guys are really top-sawyers! We've shaped not only working relations but friendly ties with them. Recently they started to take part in work planning – three times a week Indian officers meet with Director General of Sevmash and top managers of the shipyard. On Tuesdays we go around the ship with the head of the observation group and resolve technical issues by the way. So, we're in full contact.

KORABEL: When the crew of Vikramaditya arrives in Severodvinsk?

Igor LEONOV: Very soon, early in 2011. We expect up to 1 400 officers and enlisted to come at different dates. But they will observe mooring trials first.
http://rusnavy.com/nowadays/concept/views/vikramadityaimplementation/index.php


Well lets just hope the ship becomes operational with the Indian navy before 2014-15.

Russia has gained very good experience through this project....
 

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Will China's Aircraft Carrier VARYAG be at sea before India's INS VIKRAMADITYA : Expert


After haggling over the escalated price and hiccups experienced, during the conversion of the 44,500 ton Ukrainian built helicopter carrier Admiral Gorshkov into a MiG-29K capable aircraft carrier for the Indian Navy at Severodnisk in Russia, the ship will be handed over in 2013, according to the CNS Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma. The big flat top costing $ 2.3 bill(Rs 9000 crores) named INS Vikramaditya, will then begin the grueling months of engine, machinery, and electronic weapon sea trials and work up of its 1,200 strong ship's company, first to operate the ship as a war fighting machine at sea, and then to embark the fighter squadron planes, on what is called 'landing them on a postage stamp sized deck'. Carrier flying is acknowledged as the acme of professional flying, especially during challenging night landings on moonless nights in rough seas. Only 60 to 70% of pilots make the deck qualification grade. Many pilots get unnerved approaching a dancing deck, when they are expected to fly in with throttles open at over 180 kmph, and thump the 24 ton plus plane down, or open full throttle to go round if they miss one of the three arrestor wires or by chance the tail hook breaks. Arrestor landings are an exhilarating sight to watch, and sailors applaud every catapult like(gullial in Hindi) landing, with claps.


The Indian Navy, which in the past has experience of commissioning two smaller aircraft carriers INS Vikrant and Viraat accident free, has taken up the challenge to induct INS Vikramaditya with planning. It has trained pilots on US Navy's large carrier decks and on the MiG-29s in India and in Russia. Six naval MiG-29Ks with advanced digital automation systems, out of the first lot of 16 more powerful, potent and heavier than the aging Air Force MiG-29s have arrived in Goa and got assembled. Four MiG-29Ks have already been accepted and are undergoing what is called Intensive Flying Trials and Testing. The Navy's 'Top Gun' younger pilots are being readied for the big day for 'their maiden deck landing'. Some more machines will arrive in 2011 and 29 more are on order for the 37,500 ton Indian aircraft carrier under construction at Cochin, due to commission in 2015. The hull was to be launched at Cochin in 2010 itself, but an unfortunate mishap when the truck transporting the large special ship's generators from Pune suffered a road accident, and has led to a minor delay. The Navy also hopes to induct 17 BAE Hawk 123 trainers for conversion training, and Goa is contender for their basing.

But what has come as a surprise in recent months, is the many pictures and news items coming out of China to show the bigger, also Ukraine built 62,500 ton aircraft carrier the larger Kuzenetsov class Varyag that China bought from Russia for $ 20 mill as scrap in 1998, is getting ready to go to sea soon. The Varyag was launched on 4th December 4, 1988, named the Riga, and then the Varyag (Varangian) after the famous Russian cruiser. When the Chinese company Chong Lot Travel Agency from Hong Kong bought the flat top, Chinese media widely reported that the ship would become a casino in the Chinese autonomous region of Macau after fitting out at Dalian where China builds it nuclear submarines. Things have turned out differently, as the ship was first painted in the grey colours of the PLA Navy, its decks completely renewed with anti skid paint and the hull shunted around and her propulsion machinery was stealthily fitted out.


The ship's hull looks completely renewed and is immaculately painted and the Varyag looks ship shape. The funnels were seen bellowing smoke from its boilers for its steam propulsion, and the fitting out of the phased array radars antennae, which are one of the last fittings before a ship sets out to sea were in progress in mid 2010. The mystery now that remains is, what aircraft will the Chinese PLA Navy fly off the air craft carrier Varyag, and when. Some Chinese pilots have reportedly been trained in Argentina. The Chinese have been manufacturing/assembling Su-27s at Shenyang and have over 200 in their inventory. The carrier borne Su-27 which Russians fly off the Kuzenetsov was designated Su-27K (K for Korabelny, Ship-Borne), whose factory designation is T-10K and was later given the Su-33 designation by Sukhoi and the Russian Navy officially adopted the Su-33 designation for its ship-borne Su-27Ks. NATO calls it the 'Flanker-D'.

Analysts opine that the Chinese Navy (PLAN) could put the Varyag to sea in the 2011-2012 time frame and begin trials and training for her use as an operational aircraft carrier with a squadron of SU-33 aircraft. This is feasible as Su-27 planes under carriage only need to be ruggedized and strengthened and fitted with a strong tail hook, just like the Indian DRDO scientists are attempting for the Naval LCA. Another unlikely alternate is that the modernized Chinese J-11 copy of the Su-27 displayed at the Zhuhai air show could be made carrier-capable from their own manufacture, with vectored thrust and with strike at sea and ground attack capabilities. The Varyag could well be supported by either the Chinese indigenous Z-8 AEW helicopters, or KA-31 AEW helicopters just like the Indian Navy plans to operate off the INS Vikramaditya.

It would be timely to quote Robert Kaplan from his recently released book making waves, Monsoon, The Indian Ocean and The Future of American Power, wherein Kaplan expounds the arrival of the Asian Century, and goes on to quote, "The Indian Ocean is where the rivalry between the United States and China in the Pacific interlocks with the regional rivalry between China and India"¦. India and China's aspirations for great power status, as well as their quest for energy security, have compelled them to "redirect their gazes from land to the seas". The maritime race between the Indian Navy with 40 ships and submarines and 8 P8i Boeing 737s on order and the PLA Navy with larger ambitions and plans for two more aircraft carriers, 42 large warships and a long line of nuclear and non nuclear submarines signals the maritime race between India and China has begun,
Cmde(Retd) Ranjit B Rai is former Director of Naval Operations and Intelligence and an Air Force trained aircraft controller.


The Varyag has already been fitted out with its propulsion system (sourced from Ukraine) which is identical to that found on the Russian carfrier KUZNETSOV. The Fregat-MAE air search radar too is now fitted atop the island, as is a four-antenna passive phased-array radar. FL-2000N lose-in defence systems have also been installed. She will undertake her sea trials by mid-2011, around which time the first indigenously-built aircraft carrier's hull will be launched as well in a grand ceremony in Shanghai. The Varyag will host two types of combat aircraft on board: a navalised variant of the L-15 Falcon lead-in fighter trainer, and a Chinese version of the Su-33, called the J-11AH. Ukraine has already supplied the complete data package of the Su-33 to China.

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Its not a secret what PLAN planned at, We Will have Gorshkov in near future so does IAC-1..
In the mean time India planned to purchase at-least 3 Amphibious Assault ships / more like light carriers, Also Viraat will stay for another decade which may made us to buy GR9 from UK..
 

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I would have to question the engine installation. The ship was sealed when sold and would require 18 months for installation in dry dock. It was only there for a little over half a year. The ship was in plain view on Google Earth and there was no hull section cut out for the boilers to be lowered.


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Those images are probably three years old on Google earth
 
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