India's Air Defense System and its Capabilities

[Tshering22]

Actually i would bid for a more integrated research and development , where rnd is done in collaboration of indian academia , drdo , private player , yeah but they should be givrn contract for manufacturing of not so sensitive tech , which is disruptive and only we have , all iit ,nit ,iisc , csir ,hal ,nal, bel all together for particular project , funding would be better utilized ,and we should cut funding of all social science colleges .

I agree.

Can there be a mechanism created where universities can get royalties from the IP that they share with private companies? I mean, say if Mahindra Defence joins with IISc to develop something cutting edge, like a graphene armour, can IISc earn revenue from the sale of each defence product that Mahindra makes locally or internationally? This would wean the universities off government handouts and be able to retain their own reserves and become R&D hubs for private defence corporations.

Pretty sure that our new private companies won't mind this arrangement at least initially. I wonder if we have thought of anything in that direction.

 

[Tshering22]

Absolutely, strategic like nuclear missiles, Subs, Radars must be absolutely 100% indigenous....atleast in the area of strategic missles we are 100% already....not true for subs yet.
Definitely need bigger budget commensurate to our economy size and constant threats from neighbors from all directions.

Quad is as good as still born and dead and India simply does not have the balls for decisive defense partnerships, this is good and bad and west is not the same as it was.

We are better off alone and perhaps some deep partnerships like with Israel and Russia but we are on our own and can't trust or depend on others.

It is not about decisive defence partnerships. It is about reliability of such partnerships. You need to see how uneven this alliance is. Had BRICS been a quasi-defense alliance it would have made more sense since India was roughly on the same footing as other 2 countries namely Russia and Brazil. However, given the China factor there, it was not possible.

Here in the QUAD, India gets the short end of the stick. You need to realize that it is essentially US+ and India. Japan and Australia are overseas territories of the USA for all practical purposes. They have no independent foreign policies and no independent geopolitical voices. They might have some degree of goodwill towards India, but it means nothing when the USA orders them to retreat in a hypothetical conflict scenario.

At that time, we will be caught with our pants down, just as the US has a history of burning alliances with non-white, non-Christian eastern countries. With the Liberal deep state taking full control of the US, it is very unlikely that the US will remain friendly with India in the near future. Its Big Tech is already involved in information warfare against us - Twitter, Google, Facebook... all these companies are at odds with the government in the last 3 years and have openly supported anti-India agendas all over the country.

We need to be ready. China did one smart thing; it trusted no one and became self-reliant. Today in the event of a conflict, it need not depend on anyone for most products and can hit back. We still rely excessively on outsiders.

I would rather keep individual relations with France, Israel and Russia than encourage any more encroachment of USA and UK in our strategic areas. They are just not reliable.

 

[ladder]

Bharat Dynamics flags off Akash Missiles for delivery to Indian Army

Bharat Dynamics flags off Akash Missiles for delivery to Indian Army

Gears up for exports

www.thehindubusinessline.com

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The delivery of second regiment ( of the two ordered) has probably started.
Missile hopefully are of 1s variant.

 

[Lonewolf]

Bharat Dynamics flags off Akash Missiles for delivery to Indian Army

Gears up for exports

www.thehindubusinessline.com

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The delivery of second regiment ( of the two ordered) has probably started.
Missile hopefully are of 1s variant.

Do you have measurements of aakash ng missile , looks like this baby is chonkier and longer than barak 8 without booster , may cross the 100 km mark

 

[ladder]

Do you have measurements of aakash ng missile , looks like this baby is chonkier and longer than barak 8 without booster , may cross the 100 km mark

No I don't have have dimensions of Akash NG
The picture in the article is of Akash 1/1s and not Akash NG.
Akash 1/1s is a heavy missile which weighs 720kgs and is 5.xx m in length.

 

[Lonewolf]

No I don't have have dimensions of Akash NG
The picture in the article is of Akash 1/1s and not Akash NG.
Akash 1/1s is a heavy missile which weighs 720kgs and is 5.xx m in length.

Yeah know about the akash 1s but barak and and akash ng have similar ranges and all ,but still not pursued for ship based launches , would be better to do so

 

[ladder]

Yeah know about the akash 1s but barak and and akash ng have similar ranges and all ,but still not pursued for ship based launches , would be better to do so

Yes, but we don't know whether Akash NG is a VL launched system or inclined launch system.
Navy only wants Vertically launched system.
I have heard, although not sure, that Akash NG currently is an inclined launched system to save cost.

So, DRDO might be positioning Akash NG as a cheaper alternative to Barak 8 for IA and IAF.

In future with VL Akash NG, it may see deployment with the Navy but not now.

Currently IN is pursuing VL SR-SAM for shorter range and LRSAM/ Barak 8 for longer range.

 

[Oasi51]

I think it's not true

 

[Lonewolf]

I think it's not true

Go to new member introduction thread

 

[omaebakabaka]

Yes, but we don't know whether Akash NG is a VL launched system or inclined launch system.
Navy only wants Vertically launched system.
I have heard, although not sure, that Akash NG currently is an inclined launched system to save cost.

So, DRDO might be positioning Akash NG as a cheaper alternative to Barak 8 for IA and IAF.

In future with VL Akash NG, it may see deployment with the Navy but not now.

Currently IN is pursuing VL SR-SAM for shorter range and LRSAM/ Barak 8 for longer range.

On new ships atleast they need to be vertical, inclined waste space

 

[Oasi51]

Go to new member introduction thread

Ok, sorry

 

[WolfPack86]

DRDO anti drone system

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Army Deploys Anti-drone System In Jammu's Poonch And Rajouri District
Amid increased threats of drone attacks by terrorists, the Indian Army has now deployed anti-drone measures in order to thwart any attempts. The Indian Army has deployed an electro-optic drone system in Jammu's Poonch and Rajouri sectors near the Line of Control (LOC). According to reports, the new anti-drone system uses a laser to bring down drones at a distance of 1.5 kilometres by disrupting its communications system. The deployment comes days after a drone attack on the Jammu airbase.

Anti-drone system deployed in Poonch and Rajouri
According to reports, the system cuts off the drone's signal from its parent control or operator. The system is mounted on an Indian Army vehicle. which means it is can be transported, This also comes amid an ongoing investigation into the airbase attack that saw the use of drones. In addition, the Indian Army has already started drone training for the police in the border areas. The police are being trained to carry out drone surveillance along the LOC. Moreover, earlier on Wednesday, the Indian Army also installed high-mast lighting at the IAF Station in Jammu to increase surveillance and track any incoming drones.

Jammu drone attack
In the early hours of Sunday, twin explosions rocked the technical area of the IAF airbase in Jammu causing minor damage to the facility and leaving two Indian Air Force officers injured. The blasts which took place within a gap of five minutes occurred after explosive-laden drones crashed in the airbase. The first blast sound is captured in the CCTV at 1.37 am while the second at 1.43 am. It is believed that the target was the aircraft parked in the dispersal area. The blasts come after Prime Minister Narendra Modi's high-level meeting with J&K's political parties and the Gupkar alliance, the first since the abrogation of Article 370.

Indian Army deploys anti-drone system in Jammu's Poonch and Rajouri district

Amid increased threats due to the drones being used by terrorists, the Indian Army has now deployed anti-drone measures in order to thwart any attempts.

www.republicworld.com

 

[WolfPack86]

India deploys L 70 anti aircraft gun at lac

 

[WolfPack86]

Bel upgraded l 70 gun deployed at lac

 

[arnabmit]

Au-220m turret
4x ADATS type high-speed dual-purpose missile (preferably with dual seekers, MMW & IIR)
7.62x51 MMG RCWS

Deadly combo, common MGS turret for both ICV and Mobile SHORAD platforms.

 

[Super Flanker]

IS INDIA PLANNING TO PROCURE RUSSIA'S 'PANTSIR-S' AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM?
For now, the Russians are happy to have managed to sell five S-400 "Triumrf" anti-aircraft batteries to India for $ 5.43 billion. Rumours are rife that Russia has taken the initiative and try to emphasise how good and modern their anti-aircraft systems are. Particular emphasis is placed on its self-propelled rocket artillery anti-aircraft Pantsir-S complex, an advanced air defence system similar to the Israeli Sypder System, reports a Bulgarian defence website.


According to the Russians, the issue of signing the contract for the purchase of the latest version of Pantsir-S sets was also discussed during defence minister Rajnath Singh's visit to Moscow at the end of June this year. The Russians particularly showcased the positive combat experiences that this system gained during operations in the Middle East.

Particularly useful for the Indian armed forces would be the ability of the system to target short and long range unmanned aerial vehicles. The Russians believe that operations in Syria have confirmed the effectiveness of the Pantsir-S kits in this area, and the imperfections noted during actual combat complex with "full technical adaptations to Indian needs and creation of an effective service network". This network would be connected to the global system of users of Pantsir-S. An additional incentive for India is provision to transfer technology for the production of some system components. However, there is no talk of transferring technology to manufacture the entire system locally.

India's MoD supposedly showed great interest to assess the Pantsir-S system, due to its high mobility and versatility and its ability to target various aerial targets with relative success. In addition, Pantsir-S can be easily integrated into a broader air defence network and can work together with S-400 batteries that the India procured earlier.

However, it should be noted that India now has a variety of Soviet era and more modern versions of air defence systems sourced from Israel and Russia itself. The procurement of USA's National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System NASAMS-II system is on the anvil, though there were reports that India may have shelved the project. DRDO is also in the process of qualifying an indigenous Quick-Reaction and Long-Range missile system. Therefore, one wonders the prudence behind adding one more system to the already assorted kitty.

Russians are also taking advantage of the current situation in India. It is not without reason that, for example, Pantsir-S would be useful in the Ladakh region , where territorial disputes have been going on between India and China for years, and where there has recently been a clash between Chinese and Indian soldiers.

Is India Planning To Procure Russia's 'Pantsir-S' Air Defence System?

For now, the Russians are happy to have managed to sell five S-400 "Triumrf" anti-aircraft batteries to India for $ 5.43 billion. Rum...

www.indiandefensenews.in

Pantsir Air Defense System? Seriously? we will Never buy Pantsir Air defense for our Armed forces.
Considering for the fact that even The Russians are Dissatisfied with this System's performance themselves and Are trying to Find a Replacement for This Air Defense System. Here Read this Report for yourself:

https://defence-blog.com/russia-looking-for-replacement-for-troubled-pantsir-air-defense-system/

Speaks volumes about how good it is. Not saying that it is an Absolutely crappy System, but it's just not good for our Requirements From my personal point of view.

Instead of Buying such a System, we already have Indigenous Solutions like :
1)Akash Air defense system
2)XRSAM,
3)MRSAM etc
will fulfill our Requirements for such an Air defense system. Why buy such a system when you have Indigenous Solutions at your Hand? There is no way we will ever buy this System for our Armed forces.

 

[Rahul19]

Did Russia offer 9K333 Verba MANPADS to India? Why are we buying Igla S instead?

 

[not so dravidian]

Did Russia offer 9K333 Verba MANPADS to India? Why are we buying Igla S instead?

Nope. Only igla super

 

[JBH22]

Did Russia offer 9K333 Verba MANPADS to India? Why are we buying Igla S instead?

Yes but it seems if they considered Verba it would have delayed the process. Because in the trials verba was not tested. Typical Indian bs procurement process