Indian Special Forces

[SGOperative]

meanwhile Garuds are a jack of all trades often replicating capabilities of the IN/IA SF and focusing on the basic ‘commando’ responsibilities but in many cases searching for a mission hence why they get employed as door gunners, force protection,winch men (like seen today in the ropeway) etc

The closes unit in NATO to Garud will be the 17th Raiders wing. Also Garuds seems to be a mix of Unit 5101 and Unit 669. They are a bit confused true but the Door Gunners (NATO SOF do the Door Gunner Part too sometimes and Garuds do that in the NE where they are employed for the safety of the heptr along with potential rescue op) and Rescue ops are part of the over all SOF capability (USAF Pjs are often deployed for Disaster Relief)

 

[abingdonboy]

The closes unit in NATO to Garud will be the 17th Raiders wing. Also Garuds seems to be a mix of Unit 5101 and Unit 669. They are a bit confused true but the Door Gunners (NATO SOF do the Door Gunner Part too sometimes and Garuds do that in the NE where they are employed for the safety of the heptr along with potential rescue op) and Rescue ops are part of the over all SOF capability (USAF Pjs are often deployed for Disaster Relief)

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Garuds being used in rescue Ops is not because they are really specially trained for it but because they are all that is available. Garuds aren’t given extra urban rescue training nor are they EMTs, they’ll have similar training to PARA SF on the whole

 

[mupper]

The South Koreans have one and The Thais seem to have one too

Aussies too and Japan is in the process of setting up a ASDF ST unit with CCT/PJ's

 

[mupper]

Do the Chinese have such a capability? And how important would such a capability be for us in both our conflict zones with our beloved eastern and western neighbours?

They have JTACs but no evidence that they have a CCT equivalent right now and with their Enlisted-Officer system that might be tricky.

 

[mupper]

s.

USAF SOFs do not try and replicate capabilities in USN/US army just to tick a box of having SOFs inside USAF but they have carved out highly specialised roles for themselves. PJs (pararescuemen) are the most qualified combat medics in the US military, they are all EMT qualified as a basic level and then are given extremely specific rescue training (mountaineering, diving, winching etc), so they actually have their own niche that no one else in the US military can replicate. USAF PJs were the ones in charge of the Thai cave rescue operation

The SARCs will fight ya over that! ....J/K....maybe

 

[India Super Power]

They have JTACs but no evidence that they have a CCT equivalent right now and with their Enlisted-Officer system that might be tricky.

What are your thoughts about Chinese sf capability with respect to Indian sf

 

[SGOperative]

They have JTACs but no evidence that they have a CCT equivalent right now and with their Enlisted-Officer system that might be tricky.

Which unit does the JTAC for them

 

[mupper]

What are your thoughts about Chinese sf capability with respect to Indian sf

I'm not Indian,and I'm a guest on this forum so I don't think it's my place to do a comparison...someone will get angry at me for something

 

[mupper]

Which unit does the JTAC for them

PLAAF "Leishen" commandos, in the special warfare company and a few of the PLA GA SpOp brigades there are JTAC elements.

 

[India Super Power]

I'm not Indian,and I'm a guest on this forum so I don't think it's my place to do a comparison...someone will get angry at me for something

I know, no issues
I this thread we are free to criticize our sf wrt to equipments and training because in reality they are not good
So u can say we will may ask questions or counter some of your points nothing much
If you then pls share

 

[abingdonboy]

Aussies too and Japan is in the process of setting up a ASDF ST unit with CCT/PJ's

India needs more specialists not more general purpose ‘commandos’. Up-skilling should be prioritised over number expansions

 

[abingdonboy]

The SARCs will fight ya over that! ....J/K....maybe

When JSOC needs support they go to PJs first

 

[SGOperative]

When JSOC needs support they go to PJs first

AFAIK, SARCs replaced the PJs for Devgru

 

[mupper]

When JSOC needs support they go to PJs first

Lotta SARCs at DEVGRU these days

 

[JConline]

Lo bhai, Para SF also kinda joined the party

 

[India Super Power]

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Lo bhai, Para SF also kinda joined the party

In those pc do they carry plates
Pls identify the nods

 

[Aditya Ballal]

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Lo bhai, Para SF also kinda joined the party

Do give credit to @Inderjeet Singh for posting this originally on another thread.

 

[India Super Power]

@Inderjeet Singh watermark laga dijiye
@Aditya Ballal bata sakte hai ki nods kaunsa hai confusion ho raha hai

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I think some fail to understand what a JTAC is. It isn’t a soldier with a radio set that can call in an air strike. They are basically an ATC with a rifle, it’s an incredibly specialised role

@rkhanna has given a decent example of how skilled these individuals have to be, lazing a target is about as skilled as Garuds will be in this role but there they are not commanding any assets, only acting as an asset for the the strike package


pakis may have JTACs on paper (they’ve had plenty of exposure to Americans) but I’d doubt their full spectrum abilities. This is very much a NATO expertise

There is no capability with us to make a Platoon Leader of IA talk to Apache of IAF let alone calling airstrikes or stacking up a/cs in hold and guiding them for bombing runs.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

The South Koreans have one and The Thais seem to have one too

South Koreans are the second Israelis of Asia in terms of training standards.