Indian Special Forces

[ManhattanProject]

Nope the plate carrier is a square cut plate carrier from Battle Gear Technologies.

Tactical Vests/ Plate Carriers | Battle Gear Technologies

www.battlegeartech.com

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If you go through the rest of the website you’ll find almost the entire wardrobe of the Garuds

oops my bad, i though it was one of those crye precision knockoffs that para sf got.

 

[armyofhind]

Don’t know if you actually went through the Twitter thread.
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But attaced pics to help you get what I’m trying to say
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That is the style we usually see multiple mags attached together by NSG, PARAs, RR etc. i.e Conventional style.

This is the Israeli method.


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Taping the magazines in opposing ways makes sense for an AK platform, I dont see why it's done for the Tavor where the charging handle is on the same side as the support hand.




In case of the Tavor, that motion of going around the magazines to release them and then twisting and recharging, will not be as smooth under the stress of combat in my opinion, but then, it can be countered through enough training under the right conditions.

 

[Scramjet]

Taping the magazines in opposing ways makes sense for an AK platform, I dont see why it's done for the Tavor where the charging handle is on the same side as the support hand.




In case of the Tavor, that motion of going around the magazines to release them and then twisting and recharging, will not be as smooth under the stress of combat in my opinion, but then, it can be countered through enough training under the right conditions.

Tavor has a quick release switch for the bolt just behind the magwell, unlike AK platforms.

 

[rkhanna]

Taping the magazines in opposing ways makes sense for an AK platform, I dont see why it's done for the Tavor where the charging handle is on the same side as the support hand.




In case of the Tavor, that motion of going around the magazines to release them and then twisting and recharging, will not be as smooth under the stress of combat in my opinion, but then, it can be countered through enough training under the right conditions.

Conventional is faster than bullpup as a baseline

 

[Fire and groove]

Also called Pie cutting not really Israeli been around for a while. Whether the Garud is doing it because it's part of SOP or because he too watches the same YouTube videos we do no idea.

But this is the essense of it. Depending on senario it is done in various ways

The Garud's footwork should be enough to state that he wasn't trying limited penetration.

 

[Fire and groove]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/12543/html/#_Toc52398159

Very interesting read

 

[Fire and groove]

Conventional is faster than bullpup as a baseline

This guy's hilarious

 

[FalconSlayers]

Can't remember, but there was a pic out there of an ACOG mounted backwards by some soldier

QAT

oof

I’m sorry not QAT, but this was of NSG which I was talking about…

Surprisingly no one noticed, these guys are supposed to save us from paki terr0rists, and one of them has an ACOG mounted completely opposite. Lol.

Reminds me of this...

 

[Aditya Ballal]

 

[armyofhind]

Conventional is faster than bullpup as a baseline

I wouldn't necessarily agree.

If we're just talking about the complexity of the movement, an AR style platform reload is a longer chain of steps.

Seen really fast reloads on bullpups and slow ones on conventional platforms, so it all comes down to the proficiency of the individual, in my humble opinion.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Are those P2 Helmets ?

 

[abingdonboy]

AK-47 7.62*39
PKM 7.62*54
M4/Tar-21 5.56*45

cannot fathom the need to have the AK-47 in the squad if already have the M4/Tar-21

again going to ruffle some feathers but this is a deep indication of complacency and a lack of preparedness. I think @rkhanna said it before- they’ve gotten used to fighting with an ammo truck within metres. No fighting force that was hardened or expecting to undertake legitimate offensive ops on enemy soil would configure themselves like this. One of the gravest strategic mistakes any military can make is over extending/breaking down their logistical lines.

Nothing changes my mind these days that the IA/Indian military in general has become CT/COIN focused and has grown soft as a peacetime force. If/when the ballon goes up a LOT of shortcomings are going to emerge (like they did in 2019)

 

[ManhattanProject]

Why couldnt they just get the latest sopmod AR15 instead of going for SCARs like they did in this picture with that old sopmod m4.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

AK-47 7.62*39
PKM 7.62*54
M4/Tar-21 5.56*45

cannot fathom the need to have the AK-47 in the squad if already have the M4/Tar-21

again going to ruffle some feathers but this is a deep indication of complacency and a lack of preparedness. I think @rkhanna said it before- they’ve gotten used to fighting with an ammo truck within metres. No fighting force that was hardened or expecting to undertake legitimate offensive ops on enemy soil would configure themselves like this. One of the gravest strategic mistakes any military can make is over extending/breaking down their logistical lines.

Nothing changes my mind these days that the IA/Indian military in general has become CT/COIN focused and has grown soft as a peacetime force. If/when the ballon goes up a LOT of shortcomings are going to emerge (like they did in 2019)

Thats why ak 203 is necessary, it will bring uniformity.
Like we had with the SLR or with the Ishapors

 

[FalconSlayers]

Why couldnt they just get the latest sopmod AR15 instead of going for SCARs like they did in this picture with that old sopmod m4.

Better get SiG MCX

 

[ManhattanProject]

Better get SiG MCX

Atleast cheaper than the SCAR, but they arent as battle proven.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Are those P2 Helmets ?

ACH with MKU MACS attachment (probably)

 

[abingdonboy]

Just saw this today, almost identical to what PARA (SF) are running today (M4A1 SOPMOD-1 if I’m not wrong), look at the date on the picture

So when I say Indian units are 25+ years behind their counterparts in the West I think that’s both accurate and maybe even conservative

 

[rkhanna]

I wouldn't necessarily agree.

If we're just talking about the complexity of the movement, an AR style platform reload is a longer chain of steps.

Seen really fast reloads on bullpups and slow ones on conventional platforms, so it all comes down to the proficiency of the individual, in my humble opinion.

From own firing experience. Changing a mag in an AR pattern your secondary hand moves with the new magazine to towards the area of your primary fist. (Close proximity). In the bullpup it moves towards your tricep as such.

In the bullpup you have to be aware of all the other kit getting in the Way. It's lower than your current line of sight. IMO all things being equal the AR will facilitate a faster reload.

 

[Waanar]

From own firing experience. Changing a mag in an AR pattern your secondary hand moves with the new magazine to towards the area of your primary fist. (Close proximity). In the bullpup it moves towards your tricep as such.

In the bullpup you have to be aware of all the other kit getting in the Way. It's lower than your current line of sight. IMO all things being equal the AR will facilitate a faster reload.

Uzi-style guns have the best reloads.
Change my mind.