Indian Special Forces

[Tactical Doge]

Have you ever Seen Indian Army using ATN sights? Maybe the captured Stuff is sent for reverse engineering, as so Many ATN sights have been captured, none seen in use with us, and I don’t think getting Nods and running them is easy, requires training.

But still
Smuggled equipment pictures of everything is available
Atleast one or two quadnods should be brought by Tangoes
Making them extremely dangerous to engage in the night

 

[Hellfire]

[@Hellfire Ji
Have the Para ever encountered foreign tangoes with dual tube NVGs or perhaps even quad tube???
I have seen pictures of passive Night vision aiming sights and Monoculars on M4s on Tangoes, almost all of them were captured American stuff smuggled in, if that can be smuggled through Pakiland why not Dual/quad tubes?
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Not yet as far as I am aware..... but reports are coming in of some equipment recovered from US forces/Afghan forces earlier, having found its way over .. but that is not exactly a norm. But in one particular operation, we did recover a rather nice Chinese PNVS for Type 56 ... working on a pair of AA cells of the type available in market. Acceptable image (akin to 1st generation NVG) .. I gather they are cheap and easy to maintain and good enough in CQB (could see about 8 to 10 metres clearly in mildly vegetated zone at night)

 

[FalconSlayers]

[@Hellfire Ji
Have the Para ever encountered foreign tangoes with dual tube NVGs or perhaps even quad tube???
I have seen pictures of passive Night vision aiming sights and Monoculars on M4s on Tangoes, almost all of them were captured American stuff smuggled in, if that can be smuggled through Pakiland why not Dual/quad tubes?

Not yet as far as I am aware..... but reports are coming in of some equipment recovered from US forces/Afghan forces earlier, having found its way over .. but that is not exactly a norm. But in one particular operation, we did recover a rather nice Chinese PNVS for Type 56 ... working on a pair of AA cells of the type available in market. Acceptable image (akin to 1st generation NVG) .. I gather they are cheap and easy to maintain and good enough in CQB (could see about 8 to 10 metres clearly in mildly vegetated zone at night)
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Sir what is the range of Arjun TI sights used on AK-47s by Indian Army?

 

[Hellfire]

Sir, The above info I got was from Nitin Ghokle and other people if I remember correctly (from his video on his channel about evacuation)

Maybe what he is saying is the diplomatic "backend" ... but on ground, what situation was being faced, is what I have briefly hinted at.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Do you really think that they’ll leave a 65000 USD GPNVG-18, 2000 USD Helmet setup and 5000 USD Rifle setup like this?

I would say that too but the way he has leaned his rifle against the wall on its muzzle and the way the helmet with a 40000$ pair of nods is just laying on the floor gives me doubt.

 

[Hellfire]

Sir what is the range of Arjun TI sights used on AK-47s by Indian Army?

No idea. XX

TATA SED has been given a raw deal though.... we should have their equipment in. Enough with supporting BELOP always. TATA sights are qualitatively better.

 

[Scramjet]

I don't know whether it's confirmed
Afghan Special forces have Dual tube NVGs and Helmet mounted TIs
Since Taliban took over the government, guess what else is in the government, the NDS, their foreign intelligence agency, and all of NDS's assets around the globe is currently under Taliban government, all of the intelligence apparatus

Would be extremely easy for Pakis to get some pals to run few errands in Kashmir for 72 hoors, with all the equipment of ANDSF special forces, we can see more effective terror plans (that is once they manage to break through AIOS in LoC)

Absolute shame on our government even the Afg scenario doesn't make them dish out 100 billion at least a year on Defence budget



On a different note
@Hellfire Ji
Have the Para ever encountered foreign tangoes with dual tube NVGs or perhaps even quad tube???
I have seen pictures of passive Night vision aiming sights and Monoculars on M4s on Tangoes, almost all of them were captured American stuff smuggled in, if that can be smuggled through Pakiland why not Dual/quad tubes?

ANASOC has(had) pvs 7s(gen3) in large numbers and pvs 15s, asked from an ANASOC member

 

[Tactical Doge]

Not yet as far as I am aware..... but reports are coming in of some equipment recovered from US forces/Afghan forces earlier, having found its way over .. but that is not exactly a norm. But in one particular operation, we did recover a rather nice Chinese PNVS for Type 56 ... working on a pair of AA cells of the type available in market. Acceptable image (akin to 1st generation NVG) .. I gather they are cheap and easy to maintain and good enough in CQB (could see about 8 to 10 metres clearly in mildly vegetated zone at night)

Sirji
Now that Afghan Taliban got their filthy hands on the Shiny American equipment just randomly laying around all over the place
What is the probability, according to you, that Ghazis in Kashmir gets some gucci equipment, as I pointed out in my earlier post, and is the Para equipped to handle such a threat, I mean a not-so-nightblind Taliban
There was a video released some years ago of Taliban operating in Afghanistan with mono tubes (obviously captured ones)

 

[Hellfire]

+ I’m pretty sure there were SG inside Afghanistan but they were evacuated in the C-17 that landed in Kabul yesterday and returned to Delhi with zero press coverage

Not exactly.

In 1999 also, we had SIGINT (WEU) set up, SG, SF operators embedded with Northern Alliance for "training and coordination" in addition to the much publicized Field Hospital.

 

[FalconSlayers]

No idea. XX

TATA SED has been given a raw deal though.... we should have their equipment in. Enough with supporting BELOP always. TATA sights are qualitatively better.

Modernisation is at a very slow pace, in USA, a Magnified sight, a foregrip, a Laser sight, and a flashlight is a standard, in India the standard is a SiG-716, with a few reflex sights and grips and flashlights for PR.

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[Gessler]

 

[FalconSlayers]

Sirji
Now that Afghan Taliban got their filthy hands on the Shiny American equipment just randomly laying around all over the place
What is the probability, according to you, that Ghazis in Kashmir gets some gucci equipment, as I pointed out in my earlier post, and is the Para equipped to handle such a threat, I mean a not-so-nightblind Taliban
There was a video released some years ago of Taliban operating in Afghanistan with mono tubes (obviously captured ones)

Monotubes? Without lasers? NVGs won’t make you superhuman, it is difficult to fight using NVGs even quad tubes and hence requires tonnes of practice and training.

 

[FalconSlayers]

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What’s that LMG ?

 

[Gessler]

What’s that LMG ?

Negev

(this pic not from Kabul)

 

[Tactical Doge]

Monotubes? Without lasers? NVGs won’t make you superhuman, it is difficult to fight using NVGs even quad tubes and hence requires tonnes of practice and training.

This may be disturbing for some, imagine the damage a Talibunny Gayzhi can do with that rifle set-up

 

[Hellfire]

Sirji
Now that Afghan Taliban got their filthy hands on the Shiny American equipment just randomly laying around all over the place
What is the probability, according to you, that Ghazis in Kashmir gets some gucci equipment, as I pointed out in my earlier post, and is the Para equipped to handle such a threat, I mean a not-so-nightblind Taliban
There was a video released some years ago of Taliban operating in Afghanistan with mono tubes (obviously captured ones)

Something will come over, there are no doubts. The problems remain in terms of authorization for PNVS/PNVG at the level of individual soldier. Just like the ridiculous 70% authorization for BPJs, these are also ridiculously low in authorization. But for SF, these are not an issue.

But then, when IAF has already integrated Nova NL-93 ANVIS (a G2n 2++ NVD) & as per a Mi-35 pilot, the Geo ONV1 (Gen 3) {the pilot swears by it and says it is Gen 3+) and is working on suitably incorporating it., I am hopeful that a transition from a predominantly Gen 2 to Gen 3 for bulk of forces, will occur.

 

[Tactical Doge]

This may be disturbing for some, imagine the damage a Talibunny Gayzhi can do with that rifle set-up

The Taliban Have Gone High-Tech. That Poses a Dilemma for the U.S. (Published 2018)

American commanders have been forced to consider loosening restrictions on access to night-vision devices for Afghan forces, even though they fear the equipment could be lost or sold underground.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Hellfire]

The only time a SF operative in India is decked up like his (and her) western counterpart, is when there is:

1. A Demo for visiting dignitaries
2. A "meet the citizen event"

The only time they are properly attired in the standard Indian Army FSMO pattern is when:

1. There is a CO's interview
2. A Sainik Sammelan
3. Or they could not slip away from a function involving some top Govt Honcho like RM, PM, etc.

Else, even the GOCs didnt say a word to them if they came (unwillingly) to a party organized, in dirty jeans (a strict no for mess/sainik institutes) track pants, unshaved and smelling of sweat.

And for SG.... none of the above holds ...... they don't even know who the other members of another team are, unless told specifically. They remain "paired up" and roam embedded - always. Rumor of them being at 7 RCR can neither be confirmed, nor be denied.

Just a side note.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Tonbo EK on a Carl Gustav RR of the Indian Army, Dragunov Sniper Rifle and the AK-47

 

[Gessler]

Something will come over, there are no doubts. The problems remain in terms of authorization for PNVS/PNVG at the level of individual soldier. Just like the ridiculous 70% authorization for BPJs, these are also ridiculously low in authorization. But for SF, these are not an issue.

But then, when IAF has already integrated Nova NL-93 ANVIS (a G2n 2++ NVD) & as per a Mi-35 pilot, the Geo ONV1 (Gen 3) {the pilot swears by it and says it is Gen 3+) and is working on suitably incorporating it., I am hopeful that a transition from a predominantly Gen 2 to Gen 3 for bulk of forces, will occur.

What are the NVGs being used with the Apaches and Chinooks?