Indian Special Forces

[Kumaoni]

From what I have gleaned over the years of reading and interacting with Snipers including USMC Sniper/Scouts is that the most valuable Kit of a Sniper is actually the Radio.

The Spotter Sniper Duo being a DM or Sniper is semantics if the Duo are only deployed within a limited AO to provide long range firepower to a Squad.

Where do we employ snipers independently on Solitary Missions. IMO its not part of the IA Manual AFAIK (but ofcourse things are evolving)

A Sniper needs to be able to operate independently - sometimes many 10s of KMS infront of the line/behind enemy lines - Solitarily. A Sniper needs to be able to conceal and manouver in the middle of an enemy nest. HAs to be able to gather , analyze and diseminate information - link Main Line troops, ISR and / or guide in assaulters onto a target (SOF) - Modern Snipers operations are very very complex.



Has the role in the Army of Marksmen changed with Spotters? What is the mission profile of Indian "Snipers" ?

So snipers are basically marksmen that do recon? I thought the main reason we didn’t have snipers is because none of our rifles can kill beyond 1km?

 

[Kumaoni]

SFs around the globe have been annihilated similarly in such well placed ambushes.Remember atleast a half a dozen or dozen Macvsog squads were vanished into thin air in Vietnam thanks to well coordinated ambushes and to this day there is no trace of atleast 50-60 SOG operators .

Those squads were likely outnumbered 5-10:1. Please tell me anywhere else where an SF squad of 6 loses to a mere 7 college dropouts? Absolutely humiliating imo.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

All indian army snipers with spotters are actually marksmen with spotters

Even after 2020 new course?

 

[DIE UwU]

Those squads were likely outnumbered 5-10:1. Please tell me anywhere else where an SF squad of 6 loses to a mere 7 college dropouts? Absolutely humiliating imo.

I mean 8-10 aghan jihadis wiped out 11 Seals ,8 160th SOAR pilots and support personel along with a chinook.
Bad shit happens, time to move on.

 

[DIE UwU]

Who tf are these 99 people in this thread,
There are always ≈100+ people in this thread as guests,Makes me a little uncanny.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Who tf are these 99 people in this thread,
There are always ≈100+ people in this thread as guests,Makes me a little uncanny.

why bhai ? I was also a guest before I became a member. Guest honge koi random guys who found their way here, defense enthusiasts, retired or serving millitary personal or aliens idk

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

why bhai ? I was also a guest before I became a member. Guest honge koi random guys who found their way here, defense enthusiasts, retired or serving millitary personal or aliens idk

Le Ranveer in next podcast with sf "sir aapne kabhi alien ya yeti dekha he"?

 

[abingdonboy]

These men goes through more or less same kinda selection process all other reputed SFs goes through.If you equip them with the updated gear you could get similar results Deltas gives you.Remember during invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq dozens of Green berets Seals Deltas too got killed in various ops.

The specialisation and support infra around the top top tier SOF in NATO is hard to imagine. Just giving Indian units CAG tier gear will not make them CAG by a LONG shot, in fact the equipment is probably the cheapest component of a JSOC operator’s career.

listen to any ex Tier 1 guy talking about his non-deployment time, they are always in training but not the standard on base running around yelling commando type stuff you associate with Indian units but flying all over the US/world to very specialist and specific schools/courses (most of them in the civilian sector) and that too not as a team/playroom but often in 3s and 4s, a lot of these courses are also offered to tier 2/3 units but obviously less frequently and not to the same standard

a bullet can kill any man just as equally and there’s no such thing as supermen but effectiveness is a real thing- there are many mission profiles Indian units simply couldn’t do that NATO units can, sure in some COIN Ops they’ll suffer just as any fighting force will

the funny part about Neptune spear is most accounts from DEVGRU guys there said it felt like any one of the 100s of missions they’d done before, this would be a once in a century mission for an Indian unit if india even had that kind of a capability

 

[Kumaoni]

why bhai ? I was also a guest before I became a member. Guest honge koi random guys who found their way here, defense enthusiasts, retired or serving millitary personal or aliens idk

Aliens would be dying to know that a country of this homo sapien species is as incompetent as us.

 

[abingdonboy]

I guess we will never know until some new guy from para retires and gets in a podcast in 5-8 years

Didn’t the major already basically prove this (that the Indian military has zero concept of snipers)?

 

[abingdonboy]

I mean 8-10 aghan jihadis wiped out 11 Seals ,8 160th SOAR pilots and support personel along with a chinook.
Bad shit happens, time to move on.

What’s the kill ratio? Maybe 1000:1? Indian SF is maybe at 20-30:1 on a good year?

sh!t happens sure but some of the basic stuff that happens again and again in Indian units is unforgivable

what evolution has there been in Indian SF in the last 15 years in gear or tactics? They are still patrolling into contact in broad daylight. A few bad hits in early GWOT transformed western SOF in half a decade

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Didn’t the major already basically prove this (that the Indian military has zero concept of snipers)?

The major retired before new sniper courses and changes were brought into army that's why I said we will need to see interview of a guy who joined in 2022 or later

 

[ManhattanProject]

What’s the kill ratio? Maybe 1000:1? Indian SF is maybe at 20-30:1 on a good year?

sh!t happens sure but some of the basic stuff that happens again and again in Indian units is unforgivable

what evolution has there been in Indian SF in the last 15 years in gear or tactics? They are still patrolling into contact in broad daylight. A few bad hits in early GWOT transformed western SOF in half a decade

As i said before, life is cheap here in India. Even when a SF personnel dies, all they do is get "revenge" and thats it, how is that going to save future soldiers?

 

[Kumaoni]

What’s the kill ratio? Maybe 1000:1? Indian SF is maybe at 20-30:1 on a good year?

sh!t happens sure but some of the basic stuff that happens again and again in Indian units is unforgivable

what evolution has there been in Indian SF in the last 15 years in gear or tactics? They are still patrolling into contact in broad daylight. A few bad hits in early GWOT transformed western SOF in half a decade

1000:1, this not humanly possible. In afghanistan kill ratio was in Talibans favour AGAINST BOTH THE COALITION AND ANA (trash) ARMY

 

[Kumaoni]

Have not posted this on this thread, but here is your proof officer quality has come down. Here, we see what an officer commissioned in the 1971 war and who has extensive ops behind enemy lines in 1971, and later went on to command a brigade and would authorize and plan the notorious Nadala raid in Jan. 2000

@abingdonboy

Nowadays, your officer on average would claim that guts matter more than sound battle drills

 

[Kumaoni]

As i said before, life is cheap here in India. Even when a SF personnel dies, all they do is get "revenge" and thats it, how is that going to save future soldiers?

It’s sad. More i read about IAs ops in the 90s, and more you come to see that the army still has the literal exact same doctrine.

Hell, army has no Operational Researxh and Strategic Analysis which would significantly solve its problems by highlighting how an op could go better, etc.

This is why the army can’t even decide on 7.62vs 5.56

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

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Pcs and hc ballastic helmets only positive thing I am seeing and are you naked sigs in hands of sf?

 

[jai jaganath]

Pcs and hc ballastic helmets only positive thing I am seeing and are you naked sigs in hands of sf?

Sorry mate they are non ballistic helmets

 

[Kumaoni]

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Tier 1 clowns