Indian Special Forces

[abingdonboy]

Not talking about equipment.

I’m talking about the drills. It’s honestly quite basic considering the high level equipment, the room clearing is also quite pathetic IMO.

Compared to even tier 3 units in the US/West their drills are meh but they did decent enough weapon transitions and tactical reloads that puts them leagues ahead of any Indian unit, do I have to post the go to para pistol shooting clip again?

 

[Kumaoni]

Compared to even tier 3 units in the US/West their drills are meh but they did decent enough weapon transitions and tactical reloads that puts them leagues ahead of any Indian unit, do I have to post the go to para pistol shooting clip again?

Their weapons transitions are superior to 3 para SF in Rajasthan 2018. I agree. But do we have a para vid in 2023 of the tactical reload+ weapon transition

 

[abingdonboy]

Shocked about night fighting capabilities. Does the IA still use the same monotube from the 90s?

Doesn’t the IA have gun battles with infiltrators overnight? But being in ann ambush party is far different from launching a general operation.

Ever seen an Indian unit with IR strobes?

there is no night fighting capability

why do you always hear of them calling off Ops at nightfall/launching ops at first light?

 

[Kumaoni]

Ever seen an Indian unit with IR strobes?

there is no night fighting capability

why do you always hear of them calling off Ops at nightfall/launching ops at first light?

AFAIK I’ve heard from veterans and read online that they at least ambush insurgents and have overnight gun battles at night.

 

[abingdonboy]

Their weapons transitions are superior to 3 para SF in Rajasthan 2018. I agree. But do we have a para vid in 2023 of the tactical reload+ weapon transition

Nothing changed in the 20 years to 2018 but has radically changed across the board in the last 2-3 years?

the last vajra prahar in India with the joint room clearing drills didn’t show any progress

 

[abingdonboy]

AFAIK I’ve heard from veterans and read online that they at least ambush insurgents and have overnight gun battles at night.

With no LAD and IR strobes? Good luck with that

LARPers to the end

 

[Kumaoni]

Nothing changed in the 20 years to 2018 but has radically changed across the board in the last 2-3 years?

the last vajra prahar in India with the joint room clearing drills didn’t show any progress

There was one para operator who did well in the VtAC wall drill.

With no LAD and IR strobes? Good luck with that

LARPers to the end

Who said it was always a success? Many army soldiers get hit as a result of being unable to see. Just search up “overnight gun battle Kashmir insurgents killed”.

Issue is that they don’t own the night

 

[jai jaganath]

Shocked about night fighting capabilities. Does the IA still use the same monotube from the 90s?

Doesn’t the IA have gun battles with infiltrators overnight? But being in ann ambush party is far different from launching a general operation.

Fist thing monotubes don't provide night fighting capabilities
They don't have dual tubes nor quads
Even these nvd doesn't mean u have credible night fighting capabilities
U need different tactics and training for it
Basically it's a complete different domain and our sof haven't even experienced bit of it except to an extent marcos
That's why u see incomplete equipments if they have LAM then no nvd nor strobes
If they have baseless monotubes then no IR strobes
Basically they haven't experienced credible night fighting capabilities yet forget getting accustomed

 

[abingdonboy]

Who said it was always a success? Many army soldiers get hit as a result of being unable to see. Just search up “overnight gun battle Kashmir insurgents killed”.

Issue is that they don’t own the night

40+ freaking years to get the basics right but it’s still too much to ask. Do they want to give a fair chance to the enemy or something? It’s incomprehensible that so many supposedly professional people have come and gone and presided over this situation

 

[Kumaoni]

40+ freaking years to get the basics right but it’s still too much to ask. Do they want to give a fair chance to the enemy or something? It’s incomprehensible that so many supposedly professional people have come and gone and presided over this situation

Unironically, yes. They want to be seen as martial race.

Fist thing monotubes don't provide night fighting capabilities
They don't have dual tubes nor quads
Even these nvd doesn't mean u have credible night fighting capabilities
U need different tactics and training for it
Basically it's a complete different domain and our sof haven't even experienced bit of it except to an extent marcos
That's why u see incomplete equipments if they have LAM then no nvd nor strobes
If they have baseless monotubes then no IR strobes
Basically they haven't experienced credible night fighting capabilities yet forget getting accustomed

The only night experience they have is waiting in an ambush, where they expect the militants to come along the main approach. They don’t attack militant hideouts at night like western sof do.

 

[abingdonboy]

The only night experience they have is waiting in an ambush, where they expect the militants to come along the main approach. They don’t attack militant hideouts at night like western sof do.

That’s not night fighting. That’s basic infantry stuff from maybe a century ago, I bet they fire a flare up to illuminate the kill zone

 

[Kumaoni]

That’s not night fighting. That’s basic infantry stuff from maybe a century ago, I bet they fire a flare up to illuminate the kill zone

What would you consider night fighting? Attacking militant hideouts at night? That’s what I do.

 

[abingdonboy]

What would you consider night fighting? Attacking militant hideouts at night? That’s what I do.

Being able to operate as proficiently at night as you are in the day by use of technological solutions

there’s zero evidence any Indian unit even practices for this other than using NVGs as a means of navigation. but not having IR strobes, or wide area illuminators makes it impossible for them to have this capability at all

 

[Kumaoni]

Being able to operate as proficiently at night as you are in the day by use of technological solutions

there’s zero evidence any Indian unit even practices for this other than using NVGs as a means of navigation. but not having IR strobes, or wide area illuminators makes it impossible for them to have this capability at all

That’s a fair assesement.
In this case, the Indian army cannot operate at night like they do. Many times when assaulting a militant hideout, troops would get into position overnight and then actually attack in the early morning

 

[stat231]

That’s a fair assesement.
In this case, the Indian army cannot operate at night like they do. Many times when assaulting a militant hideout, troops would get into position overnight and then actually attack in the early morning

Is that how the surgical stike took place

 

[Kumaoni]

Is that how the surgical stike took place

Yeah it happened at first light

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Talibunny larper with double forward grips and taped on ammo ring right behind the flash hider. He also has his irons flipped up, so he can aim hardcore through the scope that's now being blocked.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Lol ,this another level of pessimism we might be stupid in defence modernistion but atleast we have a military that can fight unlike so many of countries whose military are now smaller than 70k and are cutting funding by the year .looking at you British,Germans

Ye whataboutism karte karte piche se china humara cheer haran kar dega.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Kumaoni]

Compare this with para the jokers and you’ll learn who the Real sf is.

God bless the navy. Seriously.