Indian Special Forces

[Tactical Doge]

Ya'll Nibbiars I didn't understand your question rephrase it again it's confusing.

He asked about his weapon of choice for different roles, like CQB or LRRP

 

[Aditya Ballal]

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Basically COMTACS like the 3M Peltors or any other equivalent?

No we don't have the night sights of those capabilities, doesn't matter which brand they belong to. We do have the M4 A1 with Eotech and the suppressor. No fancy fore grips though. Only the standard Knight Armament foregrip.

Do the SF use any COMTACS like these and if no, is there any particular reason the need for them wasn’t felt? @AVINASH4061 sir.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I feel we should not be annoyed, Para SF is a Jungle Warfare/Desert Warfare unit, they don’t require such things for such roles. QAT got such hi-tech equipment because they are an urban warfare unit.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I feel we should not be annoyed, Para SF is a Jungle Warfare/Desert Warfare unit, they don’t require such things for such roles. QAT got such hi-tech equipment because they are an urban warfare unit.

@Killbot, yeah even though in Kashmir its cold but I challenge you to wear a High cut with a EarPro COMTAC and a quadnod with a Rifle modded with a Holo sight, Magnifier, vertical foregrip, AN/PEQ-15, Pistol modded, and tight plate carrier and a Protection glove in Thar desert and North East forests, in both cases you will melt down. So there is no point of laughing.

 

[Killbot]

@Killbot, yeah even though in Kashmir its cold but I challenge you to wear a High cut with a EarPro COMTAC and a quadnod with a Rifle modded with a Holo sight, Magnifier, vertical foregrip, AN/PEQ-15, Pistol modded, and tight plate carrier and a Protection glove in Thar desert and North East forests, in both cases you will melt down. So there is no point of laughing.

So you'd rather use sub par equipment. Yeah, great solution bro. I wonder how green berets manage in Syria and Astan. Or everyone else deployed there for that matter. If our best SOF units cannot even handle operator standard load in these environments, why the fuck are they even there?

 

[Tactical Doge]

I feel we should not be annoyed, Para SF is a Jungle Warfare/Desert Warfare unit, they don’t require such things for such roles. QAT got such hi-tech equipment because they are an urban warfare unit.

Falcon Slayer tell me you're joking

USN Seal Jungle warfare Loadout

1st-SFOD in desert environment

And I don't see these people melting

 

[Tactical Doge]

Falcon Slayer tell me you're joking
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USN Seal Jungle warfare LoadoutView attachment 84089
1st-SFOD-Alpha in desert environment

And I don't see these people melting

Meanwhile

 

[ManhattanProject]

@Killbot, yeah even though in Kashmir its cold but I challenge you to wear a High cut with a EarPro COMTAC and a quadnod with a Rifle modded with a Holo sight, Magnifier, vertical foregrip, AN/PEQ-15, Pistol modded, and tight plate carrier and a Protection glove in Thar desert and North East forests, in both cases you will melt down. So there is no point of laughing.

What a load of bull, sorry but i had to say it.

 

[ManhattanProject]

I feel we should not be annoyed, Para SF is a Jungle Warfare/Desert Warfare unit, they don’t require such things for such roles. QAT got such hi-tech equipment because they are an urban warfare unit.

hahahahahaha you seem to have changed your tone.

 

[Gessler]

@Killbot, yeah even though in Kashmir its cold but I challenge you to wear a High cut with a EarPro COMTAC and a quadnod with a Rifle modded with a Holo sight, Magnifier, vertical foregrip, AN/PEQ-15, Pistol modded, and tight plate carrier and a Protection glove in Thar desert and North East forests, in both cases you will melt down. So there is no point of laughing.

I didn't know Americans, Europeans, Russians were all born without sweat glands or the need to perspire.

It's precisely for such reasons that companies like Crye Precision developed combat shirts with breathable fabric on torso (where presence of plate carrier causes heat build-up).

Anyone who's worn a good quality shirt & pants from likes of Crye, 5.11 etc. will tell you they are extremely comfortable even in hot environments.

And FYI, the temps in Palmyra, Deir-ez-Zor etc. do get up to 40C+ in summers - same as, say, Jaisalmer.

Well sir
You have settled a debate that's been going on for atleast a hundred pages on this forum

Correct me if I'm wrong but the debate that raged for long was on whether such quad-nods etc. should be acquired by Indian SFs or not (with many 'whatever we have is bezzt, whatever we don't have is useless and/or unnecessary' types saying that there's no need).

I think there was general consensus since long that we don't have any binocular NODs in widespread use (let alone quad-nods) among the more knowledgable members, using the simple logic that if we had them we'd have seen some by now.

Only a few fanboy types kept arguing that we had them but for some reason kept secret (as if it was some cutting-edge tech that rest of world never saw, lol). Add to that some unsubstantiated rumours from instagram & facebook fanboys, of the type who pass off foreign Airsoft players as 'exlcusive pics' of Indian SFs.

As of the CRPF QRT, guys please remember that in all likelihood these were handed to CRPF for trials by Tonbo (Team Wendy helmet substantiates this) just like Arjun TI sight + EXFIL helmet were handed to Army Ghatak units a while back.

And even I had said way back that the first units to adopt modern Tonbo NVGs would be MHA units like NSG (or CRPF), and that remains true. The procurement system in MHA has gotten so much better than MoD in recent times.

 

[Rakesh Sp]

Bruh
That is not low vis
You just went into photos editor and dialled the brightness down to zero lol

 

[Tactical Doge]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the debate that raged for long was on whether such quad-nods etc. should be acquired by Indian SFs or not (with many 'whatever we have is bezzt, whatever we don't have is useless and/or unnecessary' types saying that there's no need).

I think there was general consensus since long that we don't have any binocular NODs in widespread use (let alone quad-nods) among the more knowledgable members, using the simple logic that if we had them we'd have seen some by now.

Only a few fanboy types kept arguing that we had them but for some reason kept secret (as if it was some cutting-edge tech that rest of world never saw, lol). Add to that some unsubstantiated rumours from instagram & facebook fanboys, of the type who pass off foreign Airsoft players as 'exlcusive pics' of Indian SFs.

As of the CRPF QRT, guys please remember that in all likelihood these were handed to CRPF for trials by Tonbo (Team Wendy helmet substantiates this) just like Arjun TI sight + EXFIL helmet were handed to Army Ghatak units a while back.

Yes that too
But quite a number of members do believed we had Quad NODs
For the secret stash of equipment
The Binocular NVGs the case is such, as @Inderjeet Singh has put up a post before which showed Marcos with Bi-Nods, which is not spotted with operational unit to the best of my knowledge

 

[Saumyasupraik]

Suex DPVs with MARCOS at SNC, Kochi.

Two DPVs rigged to a canoe.

 

[Fire and groove]

@AVINASH4061 Do you guys practice limited penetration, dynamic entry or a hybrid for CQB?

 

[FalconSlayers]

I didn't know Americans, Europeans, Russians were all born without sweat glands or the need to perspire.

It's precisely for such reasons that companies like Crye Precision developed combat shirts with breathable fabric on torso (where presence of plate carrier causes heat build-up).

Anyone who's worn a good quality shirt & pants from likes of Crye, 5.11 etc. will tell you they are extremely comfortable even in hot environments.

And FYI, the temps in Palmyra, Deir-ez-Zor etc. do get up to 40C+ in summers - same as, say, Jaisalmer.



Correct me if I'm wrong but the debate that raged for long was on whether such quad-nods etc. should be acquired by Indian SFs or not (with many 'whatever we have is bezzt, whatever we don't have is useless and/or unnecessary' types saying that there's no need).

I think there was general consensus since long that we don't have any binocular NODs in widespread use (let alone quad-nods) among the more knowledgable members, using the simple logic that if we had them we'd have seen some by now.

Only a few fanboy types kept arguing that we had them but for some reason kept secret (as if it was some cutting-edge tech that rest of world never saw, lol). Add to that some unsubstantiated rumours from instagram & facebook fanboys, of the type who pass off foreign Airsoft players as 'exlcusive pics' of Indian SFs.

As of the CRPF QRT, guys please remember that in all likelihood these were handed to CRPF for trials by Tonbo (Team Wendy helmet substantiates this) just like Arjun TI sight + EXFIL helmet were handed to Army Ghatak units a while back.

And even I had said way back that the first units to adopt modern Tonbo NVGs would be MHA units like NSG (or CRPF), and that remains true. The procurement system in MHA has gotten so much better than MoD in recent times.

*Sarcasm*

 

[Tactical Doge]

*Sarcasm*

Yeah that's what I thought

 

[rkhanna]

Yes that too
But quite a number of members do believed we had Quad NODs
For the secret stash of equipment
The Binocular NVGs the case is such, as @Inderjeet Singh has put up a post before which showed Marcos with Bi-Nods, which is not spotted with operational unit to the best of my knowledge

IMO if Bi -Nods are being inducted now it will take 1.5-2 years before you see them in operational use. The shere time it will take train operators before they are comfortable using then + new tactics development doesn't happen overnight. This is not plug and play.

How long did it take ballistic shields to show up in the field after their induction? 2+ years ?

 

[apoorv465]

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Everything is outdated and it has to do with Fauji attitude.

The british era is long gone and the empire is sunk but we havent got over the Hangover be it Police or the Army.

What you see 1 operator wearing today will be standardized in 3-5 years..Now think where are we.

 

[abingdonboy]

That is 100% definite if QAT uses it Then Papa SF also uses it.

Not a logical argument

There’s no institutional connection between PARA SF and CRPF QAT, they have entirely separate civilian oversight entities and procurement processes

So don’t believe this