Indian Special Forces

[STORE]

The apparel, unless constrictive is a non issue
Have seen operators with Kit over their casual wear all the time, that too in an urban setting

Good kit + Good weapon profile is important
And more importantly the combat boots


If you're into running, you'll know the importance of good footwear, expensive, but worth the money

In most cases it's jean's or something with hard material and lot of pockets not something soft and saggy like tracks.

 

[JConline]

Look at this, MARSOC takes pride that they're marines. Make a unit like that. Make it operationally similar to SFSG which takes in Paras and Marines on deputation. Remove 9, 1 and 10 from the Parachute Regiment. Let them be the Special Forces Regiment. Have some of your recent battalions in airborne (did I say airborne) convert to air assault, since we have none of that helicopter cavalry shit like the US. Make a PARSOC or SFSG kind of a thing (Did I actually said that! )
Let SFR be the SMU unit within the army and let that PARSOC kind of a thing be like tier 2. But to use that kind of a brain you need to inhale caffeine and drink some air. Our army got none of that

I'm guessing that was the whole point behind AFSOD. I mean it was supposed to be a pilot project for something along the lines of an SOC. But the deputation seemed to function similar to what you described.
Also, unpopular opinion, I feel like AFSOD is operational. Because even till last year, they were having exercises. I'm guessing GoI wants to keep it as hush hush as possible for obvious reasons.

 

[Meal Team 6]

I'm guessing that was the whole point behind AFSOD. I mean it was supposed to be a pilot project for something along the lines of an SOC. But the deputation seemed to function similar to what you described.
Also, unpopular opinion, I feel like AFSOD is operational. Because even till last year, they were having exercises. I'm guessing GoI wants to keep it as hush hush as possible for obvious reasons.

Too much copium from you today my friend, I think we both saw the budget alloted to afsod, the project died with our CDS , nothing to keep hush hush with that budget.

 

[Meal Team 6]

my guess is that he's wearing all that casual stuff since he probably thought it was an emergency leading him to just use whatever was near his vicinity but then again the left dude is wearing full camo so it likely comes down to the individual

Lack of discipline, The guys were from SF QRT, You are always semi prepared with your boots and combat uni worn so when shit hits the fan you can just wear gear and get out.

 

[JConline]

Too much copium from you today my friend, I think we both saw the budget alloted to afsod, the project died with our CDS , nothing to keep hush hush with that budget.

I see your point mate, but we did see joint SF exercises even last year, after the demise of Gen. Rawat, may his souls rest in peace.
Or maybe I'm just trying to keep the last few splinters of hope alive 🥲🥲

 

[abingdonboy]

well
1 hasn't compromised on the standards, remember Maj Sushant saying in that beer biceps interview "Our unit has a sanction for 40 officers and only 14 are their"
Compare that to an article by Lt Gen PC Katoch he says that till 21 and 2 standards were still good but when 3 and 4 were raised standards started getting diluted to get the numbers.
As for 4, I think they got an uplift after the 2016 direct action raids in PoK. So they are getting better. 9 was in Sierra Leone too, guiding 2 in operations. Just like Brig SS Shekhawat was in 9 and when 21 was created he came their. Same with Maj Jacob when posted to 11. 11 is also good I think theirs this photo two years prior where they had all the best physical performances airborne and SF and 11 and 9 got most of it. I think the army should've stopped this nonsense long ago. But it carried on....Paltan bazi and maroon bazi - they never got rid of.
At most, I'm still in for a SFR with 1, 9 & 10. Maybe keep 4 and 21 as reserve or something idk. This should function like a proper SMU. But things wont happen magically. Additionally have Para guys on deputation like it happens in UK's SFSG and make a support group or rangers kind of thing. The mess has been created so large that it fill take huge effort to fix it. The first major effort is to realize the mistake. That hits their ego hard.

We are looking at it in terms of optimising SF capabilities and assuming this intent is shared by the IA HQ when their actions present entirely the opposite picture.

at a certain point in an officer’s career they are just another bureaucrat trying to please political/managerial masters and make bullet points for review presentations

progress is progress to these people and good luck getting such a mammoth babudom to admit they’ve made mistakes. They have golf courses with personalised 3/4* memorabilia to get to

 

[abingdonboy]

The apparel, unless constrictive is a non issue
Have seen operators with Kit over their casual wear all the time, that too in an urban setting

Good kit + Good weapon profile is important
And more importantly the combat boots


If you're into running, you'll know the importance of good footwear, expensive, but worth the money

A total myth. It IS an issue- why don’t you see top tier units with such lax standards even when deployed 100s of miles from a their command? These guys are meant to be the epitome of professionals but can’t maintain even the basics and that too maybe a few Km from their battalion HQ?

Grooming standards being relaxed in the field is one thing but uniform standards should be enforced always, I’ve pointed it out before but still have never seen it mentioned officially, how do they prevent blue on blue or do proper de-confliction with such a disparity in uniforms? How many times are attacks committed by terrorists where they are able to get close to secure areas using uniforms they’ve procured independently? This has surely gifted a tactical advantage to many terrorists throughout the years

for a military with so much experience their inability to
Even get the basics right to this day is mind blowing.

 

[abingdonboy]

Lack of discipline, The guys were from SF QRT, You are always semi prepared with your boots and combat uni worn so when shit hits the fan you can just wear gear and get out.

Yeah imagine this excuse for fighter pilots doing QRA, they took off wearing a bike helmets and shorts because they were called out unexpectedly.

If you’re QRF/QRT you should be prepared at all times to do your job. Anything less is a lack of discipline

 

[Jedi Operator]

If it's a QRF it means it has to be prepared at all times with the right equipment. Everyone is already semi prepared cause they are deployed.

 

[Meal Team 6]

If it's a QRF it means it has to be prepared at all times with the right equipment. Everyone is already semi prepared cause they are deployed.

You cant wear your plate carrier and whole combat gear 24*7 but as a qrt you should have direct access to all your gear in moments notice so that you can gear up on your way to the site or before .

 

[STORE]

Yeah imagine this excuse for fighter pilots doing QRA, they took off wearing a bike helmets and shorts because they were called out unexpectedly.

speaking of helmets.

 

[Sourajit Dutta]

speaking of helmets.
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Spotted quite often, riot control personnel

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Footage of Para SF in operation from the recent encounter. Someone please save it ASAP in case it gets deleted.
That fire fighter seems pretty chilled out though

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

my guess is that he's wearing all that casual stuff since he probably thought it was an emergency leading him to just use whatever was near his vicinity but then again the left dude is wearing full camo so it likely comes down to the individual

They got 10 minutes to get ready for action

 

[Kumaoni]

Why is he wearing a track pant? Do the army not give them enough pair of pants?
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Militia SF

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

 

[abingdonboy]

You cant wear your plate carrier and whole combat gear 24*7 but as a qrt you should have direct access to all your gear in moments notice so that you can gear up on your way to the site or before .

It’s unlikely a QRT would be on alert 24/7, there will be 8-12 hour rotations. It’s not unreasonable to expect them to be dressed appropriately for that time and then to grab their gear when called out

for the captain Phillips raid the alert DEVGRU squadron went from at home with their families to an operational para jump into the Indian Ocean with all their gear within 18 hours.

yes yes tacticool, Gucci etc but this really is what separates the best of the best- details and preparation.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

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2015 vs 2022

 

[abingdonboy]

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Circa 2015

What’s changed?

 

[abingdonboy]

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2015 vs 2022

Beat me to it