Indian Special Forces

[shouryav105]

But they do operations which are SF in nature, like Black Tornado and black thunder (neutralizing militants, rescuing many civilians).

Its like saying american swat are sf, or uk armed police is sf ,its just retarded.

 

[Kumaoni]

Thats not sf in nature , thats an intervention role which is their whole mandate, Nsg mandate is to intervene when something inside country is going on, both of the ops you listed comes under their mandate , its not sf like.

Oh okay, thanks for the clarification

 

[samsaptaka]

Last time this pic was posted in the thread everyone mocked him for having bipoded tavor with only Mepro MOR. But what people seem to ignore is that his hand is covering an awful lot of the rifle where the Mepro hunter should be mounted .


Regardless back to the discussion, we're officially so f*cked . I have no comments whatsoever. So everyone is now a commando , happy ? Every one will now be Vidyut Jamwal John Abraham Atmanirbhar Bharat martial artist bullet proof super soldier with Israeli Tavor 21 .
At this point a freshly raised unit would be the only plausible choice , free from the redudance and shenaniggans of army commando idealogy

Lete go the full hopium way . They are basically dissolving the existing para - SF bad marriage, so there won't be SF within para anymore (though they may still be called paraSF). This will free up the govt to avoid the IA internal politics and raise a new ONLY SF regiment from scratch and perhaps call it the Commando unit !

 

[Marliii]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No more bullpups plz

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

Indian Special Forces (archived)

Where does Operation Khukri rank among these? That was conducted 20 years ago by Para SF. Op Khukri was the best Op conducted by Para SF. But, like you said, 20 years ago. Things have changed now. We borrowed RAF transport aircraft at the time. And, the rebels weren't capable of shooting down a...

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Beer where for everyone @rkhanna

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

 

[NotASussyBoi]

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Ya'll nibbers, is this Gucci enough?

ar 15 no standard bro

 

[rkhanna]

Indian Special Forces (archived)

Where does Operation Khukri rank among these? That was conducted 20 years ago by Para SF. Op Khukri was the best Op conducted by Para SF. But, like you said, 20 years ago. Things have changed now. We borrowed RAF transport aircraft at the time. And, the rebels weren't capable of shooting down a...

defenceforumindia.com

Beer where for everyone @rkhanna

Hahahaha come by Bombay anytime and I'll buy the first round

 

[rkhanna]

What is actual SF?

Its like saying american swat are sf, or uk armed police is sf ,its just retarded.

Its time to have this conversation again.

Special Forces is British/European jargon for a Special Operations Unit - SOF is American Jargon for the same.

In India Special Forces is an actual unit name. Same in America. Lets not confuse the two.

For the purpose of this convo lets use SOF

SOF does not have to be Military - It can be paramilitary or Civilian - SOF means small units being force multipliers with speciliized skill training and kit and achieving an objective that would take a very large conventional force to do. Mordern day SOF units are Strategic in nature and not tacitial.

NSG is very much a SOF unit. Just like GIGN, RAID, GSG-9, FBI HRT, Japenese SAT, etc its a civilian/police SOF unit. IT IS NOT to be equated with police swat teams anywhere. Though within those police organizations and their respective limited AO they do provide their forces with an SOF element. (In America specially Major Police SWAT - Miami, LA, NY, Detroit have to be up to HRT Standards and are so good that Tier 1 US units routinely train with them to learn new tricks of the trade as Police swat training is solely centered on CQB and HRT


Now the broader gambit of SOF units (will use western equivalents to explain (Army) - you can extroplate ofr other services.

1. First type of SOF unit is a Direct Action Unit - where our Para SF falls in. Sabotage, Interdiction behind enemy lines (depth depends on supporting infra), LRRP, Mobile Shock Infantry with superior soldiering skills, C&C and equipment to line infantry.
- The westrn equivalent of these are US Army Rangers, UK SF Regiment etc.
- This is usually very high speed direct action missions - in and out no taking/holdin ground
- This is what our Para SF is currently doing primarily today - however in terms of evolution of skills, kit and support infrastruture we have not done anything new worth speaking of in the last 3 decades - we have fallen behind with respect to our peers (Western Europe)- for an economy our size and threats we face we deserve to be peers of the best SOF units in the world/

2. Second step of SOF is what the americans called FID - but basically running insurgencies with small advisors and having outsized impact because of the influence they have on the partner forces - These troops also do DA but are also linguits, diplomates, engineers, doctors etc - hearts and minds is how you gather trust from a partner force. US green berets, SAS, Pak SSG all have substantial experience in this. Deployment is many a times in ones and twos.

Para SF has a long rich legacy of this - Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa etc - hwoever last 20 years of COIN has dulled this skill set. and these are perishable skills

3. Extremely High Risk foriegn Covert Action with minimal infrastruture - this is what the Americans Call Tier 1 - Mission profile includes HVT kill/capture, interrogation, intelligence building - urban and rural operations. Operations usuallyt ake place in heavily denied territory that normal SOF cannot due as they dont have the skill and infra
- NEST operations - recovery and destruction
- we dont have this capability at a military level - SG has limited of this but is more close to RAW's objectives than military and hence is a hodge podge. SG would struggle to operate in heavily denied territory as we dont have the rest of infra to get this done.
Small units like the SAS maintain their 'tier 1' capability inhouse - CRWW / Increment, Russians have the SSO, GROM for Poland, LRR for the Philipinos, Zarar Company of the pak SSG (they even have their own integrated Comms unit to Zarrar - SOCU)


NAVY

Vanilla Naval SOF operations include high risk VBSS, Offensive operations against OPFOR naval assets, mine laying, DA against naval facilities

Higher end include HRT, LRRP (doing HAHO/HALO jumps with full battle load), Cover infil/exfil capability from denied waters and naval NEST capability

Naval SOF is also split between litoral waters and blue water. Coastal and rivine.

Airforce

Lower End of SOF for the Airforce would be CT/HRT, critical asset protection during war time

Higher end is CSAR and JTAC (lesser would be CCT)

Ghatak - Please note that Ghataks are to our infantry regiments what Force Recon Marines are to a Marine EU. They provide Scout and DA capability at a Tactical level. They are better trained than normal solders but far removed from SF (or should be)

They go through Belguam Cdo School so there is a base level of commonaility in capability but each Regiment / Battalion trains their own ghataks - hence no uniformity across the army.

 

[Immanuel]

ar 15 no standard bro

Wanted to rock the good old AK-47 but I haven't unlocked it yet. Will do shortly

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy be like :- Non integrated knee pad and drop leg holster , so cringe , para sf will never be better then african militia.

Pixels on a screen, not reality so not even worth commenting on

 

[NotASussyBoi]

Wanted to rock the good old AK-47 but I haven't unlocked it yet. Will do shortly

i see gg to that ,but i think if you're serious about future prediction stuff get ground branch its dirt cheap in holiday seasons

 

[abingdonboy]

France has not technically given proper independence to their colonies of Africa. Most French colonies had to sign pact with French that French will look after their security and will have first right to natural resources of these countries.

France has been exploiting all their former colonies and have toppled Govt there often. Most Leaders in these countries are French puppets.

Good for them. Not saddled with the same woke guilt as much of the rest of the West, exercising pure might is right geopolitics for their own interests.

 

[abingdonboy]

But they do operations which are SF in nature, like Black Tornado and black thunder (neutralizing militants, rescuing many civilians).

That’s not SF, that’s a specialist role sure but it’s not what SF/SOF are traditionally expected to do (behind the lines foreign work). A lot of SFs have a domestic CT responsibility too but that doesn’t make them one and the same.

 

[abingdonboy]

Lete go the full hopium way . They are basically dissolving the existing para - SF bad marriage, so there won't be SF within para anymore (though they may still be called paraSF). This will free up the govt to avoid the IA internal politics and raise a new ONLY SF regiment from scratch and perhaps call it the Commando unit !

1) they aren’t renaming SF as airborne so I’m their minds this is mission accomplished- they have all the SFs they need
2) going back to commando nomenclature would be a regressive move. Just call it anything, you don’t need to advertise what it does on the tin as long as the unit members themselves know. Why does US army keep changing the name for Delta/CAG/ACE? its own members only refer to it as the unit.
3) we can only dream, SF are barely ever spoken about by leadership and they use commando and SF interchangeably so clearly no one has a clue.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Lete go the full hopium way . They are basically dissolving the existing para - SF bad marriage, so there won't be SF within para anymore (though they may still be called paraSF). This will free up the govt to avoid the IA internal politics and raise a new ONLY SF regiment from scratch and perhaps call it the Commando unit !

No, they should call them Extra Special forces or shahi special forces.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Para sf in alternate universe going by there new olive camo

 

[jai jaganath]

Para sf in alternate universe going by there new olive camo

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Bump helmet
No sights
No battle belt
Holsters ahh
No nvd
Even in alternate universe para sf kit rejected

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Bump helmet
No sights
No battle belt
Holsters ahh
No nvd
Even in alternate universe para sf kit rejected

I just started the game so didn't have most of things unlocked and don't think there are nvgs in the game I did it for the camo