Indian Special Forces (archived)

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FalconZero

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Gucci gang when a similar picture is posted about other countries SFs : YoU cAnT jUdGe bAsEd On OnE pIc
Also, same gucci gang :
The Indian navy's most elite combatants (picture is from Dec 4 2020)


Just don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore

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Create a separate thread named "Gucci gang and our usual RR".
 

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Dude u on crack or some shit?
That's just their basic under water kit with ak103
I'm all in for the Gucci gear discussion and totally with it, but common sense is to be expected from Gucci gear members.
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Modernization is taking place at a very slow pace. All we can do is cross our fingers.
 

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So, I've been a lurker on this thread for a few months now, and all I learnt is that our SF lacks in training, equipment and infrastructure. They are not used as strategic assets, management is poor, plagued by bureaucracy. Most western infantry is better than our SF.
All this is very depressing to say the least. Is there any hope for the future?
if you think this is depressing, you should look at discourse here pre-2014/2015. there are threads here at DFI about equipment which started in 2010 and they are being inducted in 2020.

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Reality is that discourse is a reflection of national discourse, where bad news travels fast than good news. reality always remains the same, this is more about perception management.

As far as reality is concerned, much progress has been made, but as always there is some distance to cover, that’s the nature of the game itself. No worries..
 

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SSG vs Para (SF) is an interesting exercise for obvious reasons, I will throw in some comments but with caveat that you cannot really rank 2 units, they are just different just like 2 individuals are different.

SSG's biggest advantage compared to Para SF is that it is not just a regiment, it is also a formation with its own commanders. Everything is integrated including training and procurement. Para SF for example does not even have a regiment of its own though in AFSOD at least there is a higher HQ. On our side NSG and SFF are somewhat similar in that they have a vertical structure.

It is surprising to me still, but Pak Army actually does not have any airborne regiment. SSG is all that they have.

There are rumours that Para SF and SSG went head to head in Kargil though result is not known. SSG's public record is poor, be it 1965, 1971 (genocide), Op Meghdhoot, kunduz airlift, lal masjid etc Whereas Para SF public record is generally considered to be good.

It is 99% chance that SSG would have infiltrated into J&K as jehadis over the last 3 decades. In Afghanistan they must have worked under cover as Taliban. Difficult to assess whether these ops were successful. We keep saying they work as BAT - but again is that successful or not? worth a debate.
Para and SSG engage directly at LOC many times.

Para has the final word everytime.

But Para is assisted by many technologies and surveillance.

Its an unfair comparison.

Plus Para are defensively deployed while facing SSG.

When Para is offensively deployed there is no SSG.

Moreover,SFF attacked SSG headquarters in East Pakistan in 71 and was called Ghosts by SSG.
 

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There are many instances when Para SF and Pakistani SSG Commandos fought against each other. We will cite some of the incidents where they engaged each other :

2017 Surgical Strikes : No you didn’t read it wrong. Indian army Special Forces once again did a surgical strike back in 2017 back in the month of December. In this surgical strike , 9 Para SF and Ghataks of 2 Sikh were involved. Though it is not yet revealed that they engaged Pakistani SSG elements there , atleast one SSG Commando named Yasin was killed. Here is his pic:




The raid was carried out in Rakhchakri area of Rawalkot District in Pakistan and 7 confirmed kills were made.

1999 Kargil War : SSG elements were inducted to hold up high positions against Indian troopers. SSG was also involved in supporting Pakistani regulars during retreat and evacuating Pakistani casualties. Capt Ammar Hussain, SSG, Sitara E Jurrat (P) was killed by Indian Para SF during Battle for Tiger Hill in one such operation.



1971 Indo-Pak War : In 1971 , India dispatched the Special Frontier Force in East Pakistan. At Chittagong 2nd commando battalion of SSG was based and SFF who are know famously known as the “Phantoms of Chittagong” were successful in eliminating them completely as they swept and the hills and the valleys with the Pakistanis which housed them.

In Kargil war,Tololink 10 soldiers of Special forces unit of indian army rajput regiment led by naib subedar Digendra Kumar engaged with pakistani elite SSG major anwar khan from northan light infantry and his team around 23 pakistani got killed and around 11 of them were SSGs including major Anwar khan in Hand to hand fight with Digendra kumar(slitted throat)

India also lost their 9 para commandos left only Digendra kumar was alive

Even now Pakistani SSG are now forming the part of the infamous BAT aka Border Action Teams who have been involved in mutilating Indian Jawans. 9 Para SF and 4 Para SF are taking special care of these BAT teams now eliminating them at LoC.

Even Indian Infantry Soldiers have been engaging SSG head on. Subedar (R) Bana Singh and his team killed 6 Pakistani SSG soldiers, 3 in hand to hand combat during Op.Rajiv in 1987 at Siachen. Subedar Atta Muhammad 3rd. Coy Shaheen SSG was killed and few of the injured fell off or jumped off the cliff. For this bravery Subedar Atta Mohammed was posthumously awarded one of Pakistani highest military award Sitara E Jurrat.

Even after that few of the Para SF have immense respect for their Pakistani counterparts. They regard them no lesser in capabilities and skills and don’t underestimate their counterparts and arch-nemesis especially. That is due to the professional approach which is taught in Indian Armed Forces.
 
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