Indian Special Forces (archived)

[abingdonboy]

Before 26/11 also they were best in India.

But the agenda was to be one of the best in the world right.

Their super specialisation is very unique in the world, not even many European countries have dedicated internal CT units with the kind of resources and abilities of NSG, they depend on a small group of military SFs similar to the Paki approach ( Zaheer unit of SSG).

in terms of full spectrum abilities I would say NSG is up there with the best, but obviously there are deficiencies

 

[mupper]

Why do you need peripheral vision for infantry unit?? These are not for aviators, and those visors are for virtual HMD (Helmet Mounted Display) which needs a different helmet design altogether!

Huh....

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Their super specialisation is very unique in the world, not even many European countries have dedicated internal CT units with the kind of resources and abilities of NSG, they depend on a small group of military SFs similar to the Paki approach ( Zaheer unit of SSG).

in terms of full spectrum abilities I would say NSG is up there with the best, but obviously there are deficiencies

Its Zarrar unit of SSG!!

 

[samsaptaka]

Hey guys,
I have been following this thread since a long time now. I am really impressed with the level of discussions that goes in on here regarding the SF units particularly. So i thought this is the best place to announce what i am going to do. So me and my brother who happens to be in the SF (4 years of stint in SG) have formed a start up that focuses on designing and manufacturing combat apparels, tactical vests, plate carriers and other accessories for the Indian operator specifically. Thankfully my brother not only has the practical experience from the lush deep jungles of assam to the mountains of Himalayas but also a sound knowledge and awareness about the western products ranging from 'CRYE', 'warrior assault system', 'UF PRO' and pentagon tactical. He has used these products extensively in live ops in India and Africa but found that somehow most of these products are not 100 % suitable for Indian terrains and environment. Keeping that in mind me and my brother have struck a deal with a manufacturing unit to produce these products in limited quantity considering the prototypes and samples that we designed previously for the Indian operator was a hit with the marine commandos. They were satisfied and impressed that we produced the product of almost the same quality as that of our western counterparts for almost half the price. Unfortunately because of the CHINESE virus our plan came to a halt for a temporary period nevertheless we plan to provide our products in small quantity to various para sf units, garuds and marcos by mid next year. Various PARA SF units have already shown their interest in our products considering the credibility my brother has. I can't exactly reveal the products as of now as its still in baby stage never the less i will be sharing the pics and technical details of the products with you lot by starting next year for you guys to scrutinize and give your valuable feedbacks. My brother after almost 12 years of service in the SF will be taking a premature retirement by next year in order to focus on the start up named "GEARSMITH".
Regards
Abhinandan

All the best of luck in your endeavours !

 

[ALBY]

 

[Killbot]

You should look at/contact Vinayak Sen of Armasen tactical, he has similar thoughts to
You and perhaps a little more experience in the market so I’m sure there’s an opportunity for mutual benefits to be shared


NSG has developed tactics and specialisations like no other special unit in India

Their K9s, EOD and breachers are the best india has to offer from the top of my head.

their operators also have demonstrated the best weapons handling I’ve seen of any Indian unit

their emphasis on realistic training is above and beyond anything seen in Indian military SFI


For what they do india doesn’t have anyone better than NSG and they are constantly improving

I do know Vinayak Sen. I have interacted with him on twitter.

 

[Killbot]

Before 26/11 also they were best in India.

But the agenda was to be one of the best in the world right.

Their job is to protect India, so comparing them with the rest of the world isn't prudent. They did a good job during the Pathankot Attack.

 

[Killbot]

You should look at/contact Vinayak Sen of Armasen tactical, he has similar thoughts to
You and perhaps a little more experience in the market so I’m sure there’s an opportunity for mutual benefits to be shared.

I think you meant to quote @Nightshade1992

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Their job is to protect India, so comparing them with the rest of the world isn't prudent. They did a good job during the Pathankot Attack.

Yes and no.

Terrorist wont be trained in Kerala to hijack a airliner in Delhi.

These days terrorism is global.The tactics and equipments are evolving.

There are chances of such an attack being funded and trained internationally than locally.

And you have seen the Iraqi SF and also what goes in Syria.

Best is to be the best.

 

[Edyk12]

 

[Edyk12]

 

[12arya]

Hey guys,
I have been following this thread since a long time now. I am really impressed with the level of discussions that goes in on here regarding the SF units particularly. So i thought this is the best place to announce what i am going to do. So me and my brother who happens to be in the SF (4 years of stint in SG) have formed a start up that focuses on designing and manufacturing combat apparels, tactical vests, plate carriers and other accessories for the Indian operator specifically. Thankfully my brother not only has the practical experience from the lush deep jungles of assam to the mountains of Himalayas but also a sound knowledge and awareness about the western products ranging from 'CRYE', 'warrior assault system', 'UF PRO' and pentagon tactical. He has used these products extensively in live ops in India and Africa but found that somehow most of these products are not 100 % suitable for Indian terrains and environment. Keeping that in mind me and my brother have struck a deal with a manufacturing unit to produce these products in limited quantity considering the prototypes and samples that we designed previously for the Indian operator was a hit with the marine commandos. They were satisfied and impressed that we produced the product of almost the same quality as that of our western counterparts for almost half the price. Unfortunately because of the CHINESE virus our plan came to a halt for a temporary period nevertheless we plan to provide our products in small quantity to various para sf units, garuds and marcos by mid next year. Various PARA SF units have already shown their interest in our products considering the credibility my brother has. I can't exactly reveal the products as of now as its still in baby stage never the less i will be sharing the pics and technical details of the products with you lot by starting next year for you guys to scrutinize and give your valuable feedbacks. My brother after almost 12 years of service in the SF will be taking a premature retirement by next year in order to focus on the start up named "GEARSMITH".
Regards
Abhinandan

Happy to hear abt this, even though I'm no expert like others here(still learning).

Many members here has been wishing for something like this from Indian SF veterans for so long. And I do hope our army senior echelons do take notice of ventures like urs; the current COAS did said pvt sector will b given level playing field; let's hope he'll keep his word!

All the very best to u and ur brother in this venture.

 

[12arya]

the problem isn't with Para JCOs, NCOs or even junior officers, who'll be making up majority of AFSOD along with Marcos and Garuds. Its with jernails who think Paras are infantry.
Precisely because SFs of all three branches come together will AFSOD improve. There are 10 PARA SF bns, each of which have different training equipment and COs.
But AFSOD is headed by one Maj Gen, so we can expect a modicum of standardization in terms of general equipment, like ballistic vests and firearms. Its a small group with fewer jernails to meddle, and the man on top (MG A K Dhingra) is an Op Pawan vet with a Sena Medal for gallantry. He has credentials and is from 1st Para SF, so he knows what he is doing.
Your point may be right too.. never thought of it that way.

I believe they have started to unify the training for all SF. There was a recent article abt it this yr.

Indian Army overhauls Special Operations selection and training

The Indian Army is looking at restructuring the selection process of its personnel volunteering for Special Forces and Airborne battalions. It is also

sofrep.com

May b there is hope I feel they r trying to rectify it finally. May be that's the reason y airborne retd guys were out revolting! Hope and pray this will work out.

 

[Killbot]

I believe they have started to unify the training for all SF. There was a recent article abt it this yr.

Indian Army overhauls Special Operations selection and training

The Indian Army is looking at restructuring the selection process of its personnel volunteering for Special Forces and Airborne battalions. It is also

sofrep.com

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May b there is hope I feel they r trying to rectify it finally. May be that's the reason y airborne retd guys were out revolting! Hope and pray this will work out.

I've read the article. Certainly a step in the right direction. But it hasn't been implemented yet. Will be soon..

 

[abingdonboy]

Bloody Covid has taken another casualty

This was just sad to watch, would’ve been better to cancel the raising day event than have whatever this was

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Happy 36th birthday NSG!!

 

[Killbot]

I was going through some of the older posts in this thread, and there seem to be some misconceptions regarding use of 5.56mm for CQC.

First off, take a look at how 5.56mm works.

It is essentially .22 cal round traveling with an insane velocity, so it would just pass through soft tissue, making a small hole through a person, not enough to kill him, but cause collateral damage in case of a hostage situation.. If thats what you're thinking you're wrong.

If it were so, militaries would never have adopted it. 5.56 is designed to cause damage by fragmentation in soft tissue. When it hits a target at speeds of over 2600 fps, it fragments, due to encountering resistance. It has to do with ballistics, look it up if interested.. Think of it as a tiny frag grenade going off inside a person's body. The exit wounds at caused by fragments as well, but these are low velocity ones, and wouldn't cause collateral damage.
I've read that it loses effectiveness as bullet's velocity decreases. Hence, its not suitable for long range. 55gr 5.56 ammo out of an 11" barrel varies between 2600-2700 fps, so it'll reliably fragment out to say 70-80m. It won't cause collateral damage.

My point is, NSG keeping the MP5 in service in any capacity is a no brainer, when they can use AR-15s with 10" or 11" uppers. It would not be a major increase in size either, compared to MP5 A5 which has an 8.9" barrel.

CT units world around are not stupid to have ditched MP5 in favor of AR SBRs.

That being said, even amreeki army is going for an SMG (B&T APC-9K), for some reason..
Just my 2 paise..

@rkhanna @abingdonboy @Gessler @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR

 

[Killbot]

Happy 36th birthday NSG!!
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Yo are those ours?!

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Yo are those ours?!

Yes mate!! Crazy that ballistic helmet with Integrated comm is used by NSG not Para SF

 

[Killbot]

Happy 36th birthday NSG!!
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Guy seems to be holding a P90, or P2000