Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Shaitan]

 

[boris]

It seems they are VBSS/SPB because on Warships,Naval Bases you will notice that MARCOS have the MARCO patch on the sleeves of their uniforms/combat dress just like the SEALs wear their tridents on the chest pocket.Here no MARCO patch.

Secondly I do think the NAVAC guy is wrong,I can understand in the army SF if 2-3 years service is compulsory to attempt selection(eg:SAS,SSG) but in the IA SF no prior service required a GC can volunteer for Probation right from the academy.Hence I think the Same would go for MARCOS because I have seen MARCO's with ranks of Sub Lt.,Lt. because otherwise given 5 year period+training time all MARCO personnel would be Lt. Commanders.

 

[SPIEZ]

Photos courtesy Gautam Datt

Nice to see the gears of Indian SF are as good as Foreign one's . For a second one can easily get confused.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It seems they are VBSS/SPB because on Warships,Naval Bases you will notice that MARCOS have the MARCO patch on the sleeves of their uniforms/combat dress just like the SEALs wear their tridents on the chest pocket.Here no MARCO patch.

These are Marcos, VBSS/SPB have black Uniform not ACU, Marcos only changed to ACU..

There are also VBSS on the Ship there wepions are 9mm carbine and other but not TAR-21, Marcos use TAR-21..

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Marcos are present on the Ship coz of VIP presence..

 

[john70]

Osama-Killer Rifles for Army SF Units

Osama-Killer Rifles for Indian Army SF Units

The US-made M-4 assault rifles - used by its Navy SEALS to eliminate Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden - are being inducted into the Indian Army's Special Forces battalions for use in counter terrorists operations in Delhi.

India had recently signed a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) deal with the US worth several crore Rupees for procuring these M-4 carbine rifles for the Army's eight Special Forces battalions, Army officials said here.

These guns have been used extensively by the US Special Forces in operations across Iraq and Afghanistan and are now being inducted into the eight battalions of Army's Special Forces, they said.

The guns were used by the US Navy SEALS to shoot down Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan's Abottabad in Operation Geronimo carried out in May last year.

Sources said the new guns will not be a replacement for the existing inventory of Israeli Tavor-21, Uzi and mini-Uzi rifles but will supplement the armoury.

The Tavor-21s were also inducted only a few years ago into the SF battalions which were using the AK-47s till then. A host of new capabilities are being provided to the Army's Special Forces.

The Parachute Regiment has ten battalions under it and eight of them have been trained as Special Forces, which are supposed to carry out counter-terrorist operations during peacetime and sabotage enemy installations beyond enemy lines during wars.

The Special Forces battalions include the 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11 and 21 para units, which are deployed in different sectors of the country and have also been given responsibility to handle any 26/11 type attacks if they occur near their area of deployment.

The Army wants to increase the number of Special Forces troops to more than 10 battalions with around 700 men in each.

The M4 Carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by ArmaLite. It is a shorter and lighter version of the M16A2 assault rifle, achieving 80% parts commonality with the M16A2. The M4 has selective fire options including semi-automatic and three-round burst (like the M16A2), while the M4A1 has a "full auto" option in place of the three-round burst.
Colt M4 Carbine is a versatile weapon system with proven combat utility and performance providing the operator with the confidence required to accomplish any mission. Featuring a 14.5 in. (37 cm) barrel it is designed for use wherever lightness, speed of action, mobility and fire power are required. It can be comfortably carried, yet be instantly available to provide the power, accuracy and range of a 5.56mm Rifle. Proven in military operations, it stands alone as a first-line weapon system. Colt M4 Carbine is today's weapon of choice; the weapon of the 21st century soldier.

 

[john70]

re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

The M4/M4A1 5.56 mm Carbine is a gas-operated, air-cooled, magazine-fed, selective fire, shoulder-fired weapon with a telescoping stock. A shortened variant of the M16A2 rifle with a 36 cm barrel, the M4 provides the individual soldier operating in close quarters the capability to engage targets at extended range with accurate, lethal fire. The original M4 Carbine has semi-automatic and three-round burst fire modes, while the M4A1 has "semi" and "full auto", with no three-round burst.

The M4 Carbine is an extremely accurate and effective weapon under all practical field applications. It is a favorite with both first line infantry operations as well as special forces, unit commanders and vehicle crews. Available with a Safe/Semi/Full Auto 3-position selector the M4 Carbine is today?s weapon of choice.

 

[Rahul Singh]

re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

And what happened to TAR -21? Last i remember IA had made its mind to equipp entire SF with Tavors. Why M4s now? When will Generals stop reading glossy mazazines?

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

The M4 was developed and produced for the United States government by Colt Firearms, which had an exclusive contract to produce the M4 family of weapons through 2009.[citation needed] However, a number of other manufacturers offer M4-like firearms. Colt previously held a U.S. trademark on the term "M4".[28] Many manufacturers have production firearms that are essentially identical to a military M4, but with a 16" barrel. Civilian models are sometimes colloquially referred to as "M4gery"[29] ( /ɛmˈfɔərdʒəri/,[30] a portmanteau of "M4" and "forgery"). Colt had maintained that it retains sole rights to the M4 name and design. Other manufacturers had long maintained that Colt had been overstating its rights, and that "M4" had now become a generic term for a shortened AR-15. In April 2004, Colt filed a lawsuit against Heckler & Koch and Bushmaster Firearms, claiming acts of trademark infringement, trade dress infringement, trademark dilution, false designation of origin, false advertising, patent infringement, unfair competition, and deceptive trade practices. Heckler & Koch later settled out of court, changing one product's name from "HK M4" to "HK416". However, on December 8, 2005, a District court judge in Maine granted a summary judgment in favor of Bushmaster Firearms, dismissing all of Colt's claims except for false advertising. On the latter claim, Colt could not recover monetary damages. The court also ruled that "M4" was now a generic name, and that Colt's trademark should be
revoked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

I have changed the title coz the Journalist is wrong, It was HK416 that seal used to kill osama..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

And what happened to TAR -21? Last i remember IA had made its mind to equipp entire SF with Tavors. Why M4s now? When will Generals stop reading glossy mazazines?

These weapons are being imported for SF. SFs all over the world are equipped with all assortments and varieties of Arms. They should be able to pick and choose their weapons being operation specific including INSAS or TAR. That is why they are SF. There should be any restriction on their weaponry and equipment.

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

I have changed the title coz the Journalist is wrong, It was HK416 that seal used to kill osama..

HK416 is nothing but M4. HK changed the name after they lost a law suite against Colt.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

HK416 is nothing but M4. HK changed the name after they lost a law suite against Colt.

HK changed the name coz "M4" had now become a generic term for a shortened AR-15. one cannot use the same name for marketing..

HK-416 is improved over M4, Use Wiki for the start:

The Heckler & Koch HK416 is an assault rifle designed and manufactured by Heckler & Koch. It uses the AR-15 platform, originally conceived as an improvement to the Colt M4 carbine with the notable inclusion of a gas-piston system derived from the Heckler & Koch G36. Customers have the option of purchasing a new upper receiver, buffer and drive spring to refurbish M4s or buying a completely new build HK416. The HK416 is part of the Individual Carbine competition to replace the M4.

Delta Force replaced its M4s with the HK416 in 2004 after tests revealed that the piston operating system significantly reduces malfunctions while increasing the life of parts

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

COLT M4 is in use since 2009, Nothing New..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

HK changed the name coz "M4" had now become a generic term for a shortened AR-15. one cannot use the same name for marketing..

HK-416 is improved over M4, Use Wiki for the start:

Kunal,
you are a Bengali Jat and hence will never agree !

 

[Blackwater]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

what is the advantage of this guns over others???????

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

what is the advantage of this guns over others???????

Actually we wasted money over useless M4, this is a work of us lobby at MOD..


M4 is absolutely useless over Marine terrain..

Not a good rifle for SF..

 

[Rahul Singh]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Thirdly, these weapons are being imported for SF. SFs all over the world are equipped with all assortments and varieties of Arms. They should be able to pick and choose their weapons being operation specific including INSAS or TAR. That is why they are SF. There should be any restriction on their weaponry and equipment.

And how TAR-21s compares to Colt M4s? Aren't they same capability wise while TAR-21 holding upper hand because of longer barrel? As for suitability in CQBs (carbine requirement), did not IA also purchased Micro Tavors?.............And yea i know what Maroon Beret is and what makes a man worthy of it.

And thirdly, i don't know what part of your unedited post made it a candidate for EDIT under flamebait tag, i was late...

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

what is the advantage of this guns over others???????

Find out and let us also know.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

And how TAR-21s compares to Colt M4s? Aren't they same capability wise while TAR-21 holding upper hand because longer barrel? As for suitability in CQBs (carbine requirement), did not IA also purchased Micro Tavors?.............And yea i know what Maroon Berets is and what makes a man worthy of it.

And thirdly, i don't know what part of your unedited post made it a candidate for EDIT under flamebait tag, i was late...

Colt is for CQB, TAR-21 is better and even much better was X-95, If we got X-95 the spare used in X-95 are same as TAR-21..

This is nothing but US lobby work at MOD..

They simple pushed this product in SF..

 

[Neil]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Actually we wasted money over useless M4, this is a work of us lobby at MOD..

M4 is absolutely useless over Marine terrain..

Not a good rifle for SF..

but kunal sir....there are many tv prog where even isreali army units are seen using M4 rather than T-21... cant be that useless..??!! plus is it possible HK416 was not for sale...??