Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Knowitall]

Taliban is not Pakistan

Pakistan's are Professionally trained Soldiers With better Equipment in some case better than even us

Dude even US does regular drone strikes and sof raid in pakistan.

 

[ArgonPrime]

Really ?? But we can import 400 T-90s ? This is the age of asymmetrical warfare, not the nostalgic tank battles of WW2 era my friend ? We should cut down on such shit imports and instead invest more and more in SF.
If we can even half the number of T-90 or other such fancy imports we can easily upgrade our entire SF to the best standard. So this excuse of lack of funds does not fly.

That guy is a basket case with severe shortsightedness who simply can not see any farther than the tip of his you know what.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

One word ROE we didn't use air support even against china while we were losing our troops because we didn't want them to use their airforce either.

We don't use this stuff in kashmir because its a part of country and extremely bad for PR that's why.

And not only US if it comes to foreign lands even we are ready to bomb the shit out biggest example pakistan.

Now this clears the whole situation.
Then the question left is if we don't require such capability why to even care about if USAF have these and we don't have their battle field and conditions are totally different in reality indian Army can always ask its counter part IAF to provide air support in case of OPS and few jaguars can do that stuff but in our asymmetrical war we don't require that. India have total capabilities to strike any terrorist outfit in indian subcontinent.
Indian special forces need night vision Better helmets guns better transport systems but no need for gunships and all.

 

[WARREN SS]

Really ?? But we can import 400 T-90s ? This is the age of asymmetrical warfare, not the nostalgic tank battles of WW2 era my friend.
We should cut down on such shit imports and instead invest more and more in SF.
If we can even half the number of T-90 or other such fancy imports we can easily upgrade our entire SF to the best standard. So this excuse of lack of funds does not fly.

Well that Answer For Army HQ To give Not me
If you Ask Even CSD canteens And Subsidy on Alcohol is waste of money

MBT's have It own Strategy only Can A Expert Will explain you that

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Really ?? But we can import 400 T-90s ? This is the age of asymmetrical warfare, not the nostalgic tank battles of WW2 era my friend.
We should cut down on such shit imports and instead invest more and more in SF.
If we can even half the number of T-90 or other such fancy imports we can easily upgrade our entire SF to the best standard. So this excuse of lack of funds does not fly.

indian army is procuring New Apache helicopters and i don't think in my lifetime they will be used in in kashmir in support of anti terrorist operations ever seen jaguars rolling and bombing in kashmir against terrorists?
Asking for gunships for PARA SF sounds like kids dream for new shiny stuff.

 

[Knowitall]

Now this clears the whole situation.
Then the question left is if we don't require such capability why to even care about if USAF have these and we don't have their battle field and conditions are totally different in reality indian Army can always ask its counter part IAF to provide air support in case of OPS and few jaguars can do that stuff but in our asymmetrical war we don't require that. India have total capabilities to strike any terrorist outfit in indian subcontinent.
Indian special forces need night vision Better helmets guns better transport systems but no need for gunships and all.

Exactly my point that's what I am saying if you read my first reply here I have stated we will ourselves use our air assets if we deem it necessary to do so.

My main point was you cannot simply compare our forces to them because the conditions are very different than what we have here.

 

[WARREN SS]

Dude even US does regular drone strikes and sof raid in pakistan.

With Corporation of Pakistan army
Even OBL raid Is with collude With GHQ

 

[Knowitall]

With Corporation of Pakistan army
Even OBL raid Is with collude With GHQ

No not everytime
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[Knowitall]

indian army is procuring New Apache helicopters and i don't think in my lifetime they will be used in in kashmir in support of anti terrorist operations ever seen jaguars rolling and bombing in kashmir against terrorists?
Asking for gunships for PARA SF sounds like kids dream for new shiny stuff.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ash-army-chief-bipin-rawat-1398805-2018-11-29

As I said ROE and PR or else even we are willing to use them.

Now if it's a foreign country then of course be it US or us we will use whatever assets we deem are needed.

 

[WARREN SS]

That guy is a basket case with severe shortsightedness who simply can not see any farther than the tip of his you know what.

I have Huge Vision Too
But I live in Reality That We Live in India Which is Suffering by Systematic corruption And Socialist Mindset of its population

When We Spend Billion on Free Loading How can We Envision To be Great-power

Ambition is good But too much of it Is delusional

 

[Assassin 2.0]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ash-army-chief-bipin-rawat-1398805-2018-11-29

As I said ROE and PR or else even we are willing to use them.

Now if it's a foreign country then of course be it US or us we will use whatever assets we deem are needed.

India already have sufficient Air assets to provide any type of cover to Special Forces.
And u guy's are talking about to use Apache - AC-130 A-10 for counter terrorism ops i hope you know how big the fire difference is between These Beast of Aircrafts and helicopters and between a small Drone strike.

 

[samsaptaka]

I have Huge Vision Too
But I live in Reality That We Live in India Which is Suffering by Systematic corruption And Socialist Mindset of its population

When We Spend Billion on Free Loading How can We Envision To be Great-power

Ambition is good But too much of it Is delusional

In that case your reply should be on the lines of - " Yes, I agree our SF needs better equipment, but corruption and mindset is fking things up". But you are not replying that way, you are arguing off on a tangent.

 

[Immanuel]

Also, Paras have barely if ever gone deep beyond LOC until it was a full blown war. Guess what?

It's one thing to criticize the lack of super hi-tech equipment and other kit in the Indian SF units, it's another to say they hardly go across the LOC. Every op doesn't receive surgical strike level of media attention. As for SF doing cross border ops happens all the fucking time. Paki heads keep rolling all the time. Heck even regular Infantry and Ghataks do more raids than ever acknowledged in the public.

Chill.. you do not know what you're talking about.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

People here wanna turn kashmir into battle dust?

 

[WARREN SS]

In that case your reply should be on the lines of - " Yes, I agree our SF needs better equipment, but corruption and mindset is fking things up". But you are not replying that way, you are arguing off on a tangent.

I am talking About Comparison btw SOCOM and PARA SF

We cannot Match there budgetary allocation

They spend around 40,000 $ Per soldier
We cannot afford that

 

[Immanuel]

Using Apaches, Jags or other strategic assets to bomb militants who are on our side of the border is a failure when it comes to COIN ops. Please stop using US and other countries' experience in COIN and compare to India. Since 1994, over 35000 militants have been successfully dispatched to hell. Sure we lost a few thousand but these days with better equipment, protection, deaths on our side are being minimized. No one has a better experience, grasp of tactics when it comes to COIN and anti terror ops than the IA.

 

[Immanuel]

That guy is a basket case with severe shortsightedness who simply can not see any farther than the tip of his you know what.

Warren works in the area of budgets and he is fully aware of what is talking about. You may disagree with his points but do note, there are many here who are silently working hard for India in the defence realm.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Regarding the strength of Para SF..

4 company..1 HQ and 1 support

each company 120 around men..6-12 officers


At any time strength is close to 60% due leaves training and other commitments.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

We should not put down US SF because of our own inefficencies.

Everything about the modern warfare we have learnt from US and its operation.

We shouldnt forget we send officers to work in their institutes and study their tactics which are brought back and copied.

be it SF or airborne ops or using helis or anything they have been there.

regarding bravery..every nation has brave people.If we dont think so..we are the only ones who are not properly informed.

US pilots went on a 100% suicide mission to attack japan ..knowing that they wont ever return coz they wont have any fuel..who are we to think that only we are brave coz we did kargil.

But the discussion should not be turned away from the topic...the lean vs bulk physique totally turned the conversation on its head.

We are lean coz we have foot soldiers..they are buff coz they rely on helis and apc...its that simple.

 

[WARREN SS]

We should not put down US SF because of our own inefficencies.

Everything about the modern warfare we have learnt from US and its operation.

Credit to US SF They are Best in there Way

Who Can underestimate No 1 Military in the World in terms of resources and Budget

For that If you ask me. US Gun culture pretty Much helps them In Shoot and Scoot tactics since Child hood

Even a 5 year old boy in US knows how Handle AR-16 And Due to Hunting Allowed US its also helps


Any Guy Who Is Inspire To be US army Soldier or Marine Already Fired thousand of bullets In Practice filled Since child hood
and on ranges And Use Of Standard Civilian grade NVG's And Equipment

Availability of many Military Gears for Civilian Use also Helps in Improvement of Weapons handling