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Undisclosed location near Shopian, Jammu and Kashmir, March 2004

‘Something’s not right,’ Abu Torara whispered to the man slouched on a cot next to him. A pair of early summer evening sunbeams streamed into the room from a half-open window in their small hideout not far from Shopian, just over 50 km south of Srinagar.

Abu Sabzar drew deeply on a cigarette, exhaled through his nostrils, roughly scratched his beard and turned to look at Torara, who was on his feet, leaning against the wall. A pair of AK-47 assault rifles lay at the foot of the cot. Torara was looking straight ahead of him at the tiny doorway that led to the next room — a small balcony-cum-kitchen that opened out into the woods. Emanating from that direction was the sound of boiling water, the aroma of kahwa, the frothy pour of liquid into glass tumblers and their clink as they were placed on a tray.

‘You want to talk to him some more?’ Sabzar asked, stubbing out his cigarette on the windowsill next to him. Torara said nothing. A few seconds later, bearing a steel plate with glasses of tea, Iftikhar Bhatt stepped through the tiny doorway and into the room.

Six feet two inches tall, with hair down to his shoulders and most of his face covered with a bushy beard that flowed down his neck, Bhatt wore a stony expression as he stepped forward to offer the other two terrorists their tea. His own rifle was slung from his neck, resting at his side. After they had picked up their glasses, Bhatt picked up his own and sat down at the edge of the cot, silent, staring straight ahead.

Minutes passed as the three men sipped from their steaming glasses. Then, Torara stepped forward and spoke.

Bhatt said nothing, his face rigid, unmoved, his hand still bringing the tea up to his lips. He had and on Bhatt’s knee. ‘Who are you?’

Bhatt said nothing, his face rigid, unmoved, his hand still bringing the tea up to his lips. He had met the two terrorists two weeks earlier in a village near Shopian. They had never seen him before and he said very little apart from telling them the village he was from. A few days later, he opened up a little more, speaking about how his brother had been killed in an encounter three years ago.


Another young man, they thought, looking for revenge, looking for work with a militant outfit, both for a livelihood as well as for closure. At the end of a full week, he spoke his first full sentences, telling them he wanted their help with an attack on an Army checkpoint. He showed them hand-drawn maps depicting the movement of Army patrols along a little-known hill trail, research that suggested this young, bearded man of few words had already begun reconnaissance, the most crucial groundwork for a successful attack on security forces.

Torara and Sabzar were moderately impressed. Bhatt, clearly in his twenties, though the beard hid much of his youthfulness, had demonstrated the motivation to take matters into his own hands—half the battle in the process of radicalization. Tall and well-built, there was no doubt he could be useful in the rough, dark life of a militant in Kashmir. Over the following week, the two Hizbul men questioned Bhatt, presenting him with situations and asking him what he would do. Bhatt’s answer would remain the same, ‘I need your support, I want to learn.’

Torara and Sabzar were no ordinary terrorists. Both had gained a reputation for leading a highly effective recruitment campaign in south Kashmir. If Bhatt wanted to pick up a gun and get started, these were the men to get in touch with. The men weren’t surprised that Bhatt knew who they were.

At the end of two weeks, Torara and Sabzar told Bhatt that they would help with his proposed attack on the Army’s foot patrol north of Shopian, but that they needed to disappear for a few days, coordinate the logistics and finer points. Bhatt said he would not return to his village without completing his mission, with or without them. So they took him along to their hideout, where they now sat sipping hot tea.

The attack plan had been detailed and fleshed out. A consignment of grenades would arrive that night. Bhatt would be joined by three Hizbul men, who had been summoned from another village and would show up the following morning. They would then proceed in the evening to launch the attack, with the intention of killing as many of the soldiers as possible as they trudged through a short trough in the trail.

But Torara was having second thoughts. Something didn’t seem to fit. Squatting before Bhatt, he asked again.

‘Who are you?’

Bhatt, who had been circumspect and soft-spoken thus far, placed his tumbler down on the ground with a splash. Rising to his feet, he took the rifle from around his neck and dropped it on the ground with a clatter. Then, looking from Torara to Sabzar, he spoke, his voice quivering. ‘If you have any doubts about me, kill me,’ he said, his voice raised to its highest. ‘You cannot do this if you don’t trust me. So you have no choice but to kill me now.’

Torara rose to his feet, looking at Bhatt closely. And then, just as he turned to Sabzar, perhaps to ask what to do next, Bhatt pulled out a concealed 9-mm pistol and shot both the terrorists in the head. Sabzar slouched back into the cot. Torara was thrown against the wall, blood splattering against the white as he crumpled to the ground. Bhatt fired two more bullets, to be sure.

As the swirl of gun smoke cleared, Bhatt sat down on the cot, picked up the tumbler he had set down earlier and drained the tea. Then he waited for the sun to set before he could walk, in the darkness, back to where he had come from.

And when he reached there, he would, for the first time in a fortnight, be able to use his real name: Maj. Mohit Sharma, of the Army’s 1 Para Special Forces.


https://swarajyamag.com/magazine/indias-most-fearless-the-tales-of-those-who-know-not-fear

Didn't see this posted anywhere at all around here. This is goddamn legendary.
India's Most Fearless 2. Do read the book.
 

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There was a specialist sniper school once upon a time which was closed sometim
Sorry bro. I am just venturing a guess at NYT. Honestly I can't remember. Just remember it was a major US publication. I also tried to Google and find it with no luck .

But if you Google RAW and Northern Alliance you will get a good frame of the extent of our involvement
 

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[ Flashy but useless “white-elephant armed forces”

India’s Army, Navy and Air Force, as well as its internal affairs departments, all of them have their respective special forces, totaling tens of thousands of active personnel.

However, due to the deficiency of the authorities and the lack of combat tactical training, as well as the power decentralization, equipment shortage and weak ability in information acquisition, the Indian Special Forces are widely considered as “white-elephant armed forces”, that is, a troop “of enormous size, but flashy and useless.”

The report pointed out that the performance of the Indian Special Forces in the India-Pakistan conflict occurred in February 2019 has further confirmed the above assertion. Quoting experts’ opinion, The Economic Times of India said that the Indian special forces do not live up to the reputation, since there is a clear gap when being compared with the average level of the world’s Special Forces”.

(The original article was published on China’s Defense Newspaper, an official newspaper belongs to the Chinese PLA News Media Center, on April 8, 2019. It was edited and translated into English by China Military Online). ]

For the curious ones, full article is available here.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-04/10/content_9474328.htm

Hans appear to have a very unflattering opinion of our SFs.
 

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[ Flashy but useless “white-elephant armed forces”

India’s Army, Navy and Air Force, as well as its internal affairs departments, all of them have their respective special forces, totaling tens of thousands of active personnel.

However, due to the deficiency of the authorities and the lack of combat tactical training, as well as the power decentralization, equipment shortage and weak ability in information acquisition, the Indian Special Forces are widely considered as “white-elephant armed forces”, that is, a troop “of enormous size, but flashy and useless.”

The report pointed out that the performance of the Indian Special Forces in the India-Pakistan conflict occurred in February 2019 has further confirmed the above assertion. Quoting experts’ opinion, The Economic Times of India said that the Indian special forces do not live up to the reputation, since there is a clear gap when being compared with the average level of the world’s Special Forces”.

(The original article was published on China’s Defense Newspaper, an official newspaper belongs to the Chinese PLA News Media Center, on April 8, 2019. It was edited and translated into English by China Military Online). ]

For the curious ones, full article is available here.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-04/10/content_9474328.htm

Hans appear to have a very unflattering opinion of our SFs.
Ignore. Our infantry would run rings around any PLA unit let alone SF.

Please avoid spreading propganda. This was done at Pako behest post balakot etc
 

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Ignore. Our infantry would run rings around any PLA unit let alone SF.

Please avoid spreading propganda. This was done at Pako behest post balakot etc
Won't repeat it in future. I was just curious cuz it's usually not easy to come across Chinese perspectives.
 

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[ Flashy but useless “white-elephant armed forces”

India’s Army, Navy and Air Force, as well as its internal affairs departments, all of them have their respective special forces, totaling tens of thousands of active personnel.

However, due to the deficiency of the authorities and the lack of combat tactical training, as well as the power decentralization, equipment shortage and weak ability in information acquisition, the Indian Special Forces are widely considered as “white-elephant armed forces”, that is, a troop “of enormous size, but flashy and useless.”

The report pointed out that the performance of the Indian Special Forces in the India-Pakistan conflict occurred in February 2019 has further confirmed the above assertion. Quoting experts’ opinion, The Economic Times of India said that the Indian special forces do not live up to the reputation, since there is a clear gap when being compared with the average level of the world’s Special Forces”.

(The original article was published on China’s Defense Newspaper, an official newspaper belongs to the Chinese PLA News Media Center, on April 8, 2019. It was edited and translated into English by China Military Online). ]

For the curious ones, full article is available here.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-04/10/content_9474328.htm

Hans appear to have a very unflattering opinion of our SFs.
Yeah - coming from a military whose representatives sent on a Peacekeeping mission in South Sudan abandoned not just their posts but their arms as well - leading to heinous violation of UN and Aid workers under their charge.
Gimme a break.
 

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Yeah - coming from a military whose representatives sent on a Peacekeeping mission in South Sudan abandoned not just their posts but their arms as well - leading to heinous violation of UN and Aid workers under their charge.
Gimme a break.
Lol, this Chinese ridicule seems less about our capabilities and more of a reflection of Chinese insecurities.

And if we are sincere with reforms then this rant is only gonna get more fun!

Talking about reforms, how do you guys see the whole AFSOD business? I mean do you guys believe we can directly raise a Tier-1 unit in terms of AFSOD without creating any DELTA/ST6-like units ?

Or you think that AFSOD is just a temp arrangement to get things moving for bigger reforms (I'm told that 10 Para and even SG were at some points supposed to be raised on the lines of Delta but the idea was dropped mainly due to turf wars/command issues, hopefully it'll be sorted out now) which seems likely considering we'll soon have a CDS and Spec Ops Com may finally be in sight ?
 

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Knowing capabilities of Indian SF and Ghatak ..if i was a PLA general i wont dare to use infantry or sf.

best bet would be AF and Arty.

And i am really saying this neutrally.. PLA would get slaughtered in Himalayas.. look at SSG.. and i have more respect for SSG than any Pla unit.
 

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[ Flashy but useless “white-elephant armed forces”

India’s Army, Navy and Air Force, as well as its internal affairs departments, all of them have their respective special forces, totaling tens of thousands of active personnel.

However, due to the deficiency of the authorities and the lack of combat tactical training, as well as the power decentralization, equipment shortage and weak ability in information acquisition, the Indian Special Forces are widely considered as “white-elephant armed forces”, that is, a troop “of enormous size, but flashy and useless.”

The report pointed out that the performance of the Indian Special Forces in the India-Pakistan conflict occurred in February 2019 has further confirmed the above assertion. Quoting experts’ opinion, The Economic Times of India said that the Indian special forces do not live up to the reputation, since there is a clear gap when being compared with the average level of the world’s Special Forces”.

(The original article was published on China’s Defense Newspaper, an official newspaper belongs to the Chinese PLA News Media Center, on April 8, 2019. It was edited and translated into English by China Military Online). ]

For the curious ones, full article is available here.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-04/10/content_9474328.htm

Hans appear to have a very unflattering opinion of our SFs.
These are the guys who have their SFs literally crying for their moms during training/selection? Who can barely even do one pull up?
 

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[ Flashy but useless “white-elephant armed forces”

India’s Army, Navy and Air Force, as well as its internal affairs departments, all of them have their respective special forces, totaling tens of thousands of active personnel.

However, due to the deficiency of the authorities and the lack of combat tactical training, as well as the power decentralization, equipment shortage and weak ability in information acquisition, the Indian Special Forces are widely considered as “white-elephant armed forces”, that is, a troop “of enormous size, but flashy and useless.”

The report pointed out that the performance of the Indian Special Forces in the India-Pakistan conflict occurred in February 2019 has further confirmed the above assertion. Quoting experts’ opinion, The Economic Times of India said that the Indian special forces do not live up to the reputation, since there is a clear gap when being compared with the average level of the world’s Special Forces”.

(The original article was published on China’s Defense Newspaper, an official newspaper belongs to the Chinese PLA News Media Center, on April 8, 2019. It was edited and translated into English by China Military Online). ]

For the curious ones, full article is available here.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-04/10/content_9474328.htm

Hans appear to have a very unflattering opinion of our SFs.
These days I am beginning to realise that commies and Islamists try to project their own perceived negative aspects of self-image as if it’s their opponent’s characteristics.

If true, then it means somewhere in contemporary Chinese military literature there exists a paper which characterises Chinese SF as flashy and useless.
 

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These days I am beginning to realise that commies and Islamists try to project their own perceived negative aspects of self-image as if it’s their opponent’s characteristics.

If true, then it means somewhere in contemporary Chinese military literature there exists a paper which characterises Chinese SF as flashy and useless.
i agree with ur opinion but look deeply they winning it,becoz just one pathetic commi post go in to our nervous and we doing shadow boxing our self now , its better just avoid these types of commi post and Move on , by the ay dohklam and UN mission was very gud proof for PLA so called might it proved they are just a paper Tigger agin,so i recommend all u guys to stop wasting our time and energy on this commi propaganda and Move on
 

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Knowing capabilities of Indian SF and Ghatak ..if i was a PLA general i wont dare to use infantry or sf.

best bet would be AF and Arty.

And i am really saying this neutrally.. PLA would get slaughtered in Himalayas.. look at SSG.. and i have more respect for SSG than any Pla unit.
This is true only for a short while.
For the past few decades they have concentrated on upgarding equipments as soon as they are done with that they will concentrate on improving their operational ability.
 

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This is true only for a short while.
For the past few decades they have concentrated on upgarding equipments as soon as they are done with that they will concentrate on improving their operational ability.
money cant buy experience...most of their soldiers have the attitude of our college students..such people wont survive hard battles in himalayas.

by the time they realise what hit them the war will be over by world power intervention.

And if equipments were everything..there would be no Afghanistan.
 

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money cant buy experience...most of their soldiers have the attitude of our college students..such people wont survive hard battles in himalayas.

by the time they realise what hit them the war will be over by world power intervention.

And if equipments were everything..there would be no Afghanistan.
What makes you think they will send their PLA soldier’s first..

Like the chief said recently: we cannot have LoC mindset at LaC, they would probably probably take out HQ and posts with arty & missiles and then come inside.
 

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money cant buy experience...most of their soldiers have the attitude of our college students..such people wont survive hard battles in himalayas.

by the time they realise what hit them the war will be over by world power intervention.

And if equipments were everything..there would be no Afghanistan.
It’s true but at the same time one should appreciate that the PLA is making a HUGE effort to modernise and it’s bringing a lot of tangible results. Even their Special forces look their part with multi cam, proper helmets, proper rifles, proper plate carriers etc etc.

There’s a high degree of convergence with these things around the top units of the world and the Chinese are aping what they see in the West and it will reflect in their capabilities soon enough.

The more I see of Indian SFs the more depressed and cynical I get tbh. Not only have they been standing still for over a decade now in terms of equipment but they in many cases seem to have declined imo and their skills look so so whenever they are demonstrated.
 

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What makes you think they will send their PLA soldier’s first..

Like the chief said recently: we cannot have LoC mindset at LaC, they would probably probably take out HQ and posts with arty & missiles and then come inside.
didnt i say that in my earlier post.
 

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It’s true but at the same time one should appreciate that the PLA is making a HUGE effort to modernise and it’s bringing a lot of tangible results. Even their Special forces look their part with multi cam, proper helmets, proper rifles, proper plate carriers etc etc.

There’s a high degree of convergence with these things around the top units of the world and the Chinese are aping what they see in the West and it will reflect in their capabilities soon enough.

The more I see of Indian SFs the more depressed and cynical I get tbh. Not only have they been standing still for over a decade now in terms of equipment but they in many cases seem to have declined imo and their skills look so so whenever they are demonstrated.
Saudis are better equipped than Indians too.
 

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Even Somalis and Nigerians are!

At some point this pathetic equipment level will cost performance.
SOD will solve this equipment shortage.

BTW, comparin Indian SF units to Nigeria and calling their gear better is funny and unfair!
 
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