Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Waanar]

Only an ignorant moron would claim such a thing.

Now now, no need to be rude, we're all fellow patriots here, but IIRC, the goal of Op Pawan was to disarm LTTE and that didn't happen.
Remember this quote from Henry Kissinger- "A conventional army loses if it does not win, the guerilla wins if he does not lose".

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Mate, when did I talk anywhere about begging anyone?
I just said to keep an open mind. Also, the same Indian Army did lose to LTTE or, as sir Dalbir Singh said "the Lungis" in Sri Lanka.
We can't simply ignore the failures and hype the victories.

Lose is a big word..you could say thrashed.

The Para SF was the strongest and most feared force then in Sri Lanka.

 

[12arya]

Capt Pawan — an intrepid Para commando
Was awarded Shaurya Chakra for sacrificing his life in anti-terror operation in Pulwama in 2016

Captain Pawan Kumar


Pawan Kumar, the only child of Master Rajbir Singh and Kamlesh (both teachers by profession), was born in Badhana village of Jind district on January 15, 1993. Pawan learnt moral values from his father, and love for the motherland from his mother. Once village women asked Pawan’

s mother: “Kamlesh, thara ek hi balak aur voh bhi tamhne fauj me bhej diya”. She proudly replied, “Desh pahle ya balak pahle?” Some mothers are like that.

Pawan did his matriculation from Government High School, Jind. After doing Senior Secondary from BRCM School, Bahal, he joined the prestigious National Defence Academy (NDA) and on December 14, 2013, was commissioned into 7th Battalion of Dogra Infantry Regiment (7 Dogra). Pawan was also the first from his village to join the NDA.
The paratroopers, always on the lookout for promising commandos, spotted Lieutenant Pawan Kumar when he led the Western Command adventure squad in January 2015 and took him on their roll. And after three months of rigorous probation and five mandatory parachute jumps, on June 1, 2015, Lieutenant Pawan Kumar joined the elite 10 Parachute (Special Forces) Battalion as a commando; a breed for whom accomplishment of the mission is all that matters, and the nation always comes first.

Pulwama district, east of Pir Panjal in the Kashmir valley, despite being nowhere near the Line of Control (LOC), had been engulfed in militancy since the time it raised its ugly head in the valley in late eighties. Having taken the heaviest toll on the security forces on February 14 this year, Pulwama district still remains a hotbed of militancy in the valley. However, despite conspicuous overt resistance from a majority of the local population, with the support of paramilitary forces and the state police, Rashtriya Rifles and Para Commando battalions have been doing a commendable job in counter-militancy operations in apprehending or eliminating militants, even at a heavy cost. In one such operation, Captain Pawan Kumar Khatkad happily sacrificed his life and made not only the Khatkads of Badhana and the Indian Army but also the whole nation proud of him.
Two days before the last action of his life, Pawan had led his team of commandos in Pampore in the Kashmir valley and shot dead two hardcore militants but he too was seriously injured and was evacuated to hospital. After medication, Pawan was granted three days of medical leave and was advised rest to recuperate, but the very next day he rejoined his team for another action. This was his last chat with Naman Sharma and other friends on WhatsApp: Naman, “Teen din full rest karna, phir duty pe jana”. Pawan, “Nahi yar medical leave maine mana kar di aur wapas troop mein aa gaya hoon”. Naman, “Bada jaldi ghav bhar gaya tera”. Pawan, “Nahi dosto, ghav to mission poora hone ke baad hi bharega. Agar shaheed ho jaun to dukhi mut hona, garv karna”.

The account of his bravery in the War Diary of 10 Para reads...

From October 2015 to February 2016, Captain Pawan Kumar led his team of commandos in four successful operations that resulted in the elimination of six hardcore militants. On February 20, 2016, while still recovering from his past injury and contrary to the medical advice, Captain Pawan Kumar led his team of commandos during an operation in Pampore in Pulwama district. Despite grave risk, the young officer conducted close reconnaissance of the targeted building and decided to conduct intervention operation — a high risk option to obviate collateral damage. Leading from the front, Captain Pawan reached the top floor, firing on the door and the window of the room in which the militants were holed up. As he kicked the door to lob a hand grenade inside, a hidden terrorist shot him from close range. Undeterred by his grievous injuries and refusing evacuation, the officer kept firing at the terrorist and killed him. He also killed another terrorist who was aiming to fire at his men. This gallant action by Captain Pawan Kumar saved the lives of his comrades and set the stage for the elimination of remaining terrorists.

Captain Pawan Kumar displayed unparalleled courage and indomitable fighting spirit in four consecutive operations and made the supreme sacrifice of his life for the nation and earned for himself the coveted Shaurya Chakra (posthumously)

(The writer is a veteran Gunner, 6 Field Regiment)

 

[12arya]

A commando who brought glory to his village
Ajit Yadav was awarded Vir Chakra for sacrificing his life while fighting LTTE in Sri Lanka

Havildar Ajit Singh


Ajit, a second generation soldier and only son of ex-serviceman Dalip Singh Yadav, was born in Punsika village of Rewari district on January 7, 1952. Punsika is a small village with just about 120 households and a population of around 6,000; 'faujis' serving and retired in this tiny hamlet number over 80.

Ajit passed matriculation from BS Ahir High School, Rewari, and the desire to follow into the footsteps of his peers came naturally to him. With an athletic built and quick at uptake, Ajit had all the attributes of a soldier and was enrolled in Parachute Regiment as a probationer on July 6, 1972. After three months of specialised training and five mandatory parachute jumps, he was permanently seconded to Parachute Regiment and posted to 10 Parachute Battalion, now re-designated as 10 Para Commandos.

Ajit was not content with being just a paratrooper with a maroon beret. He fancied the maroon insignia of a commando and wanted to be one. And after a month’s most rigorous and gruelling selection, Ajit was now a commando, part of an elite group that can take on anything and everything for a good and just cause.
Consequent to signing of the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord on July 29, 1987, the Indian Army contingent, under command the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF), found itself engaged in a bloody police action on the mainland Sri Lanka to neutralise Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE) guerillas from the island nation. The operation was codenamed ‘Pawan’ in which 10 Para Commandos formed part of the IPKF. In a fierce encounter with the guerillas during ‘Operation Pawan’, Hav Ajit Singh Yadav led his squad of commandos against the hardcore Tamil militants. At one stage during the encounter, he almost single-handedly decimated a formidable group of militants before laying down his life, the daredevil act for which he was awarded the Vir Chakra posthumously. The encounter account of the action is recorded in the War Diary of 10 Para Commando Battalion.

Octogenarian Jagdev Singh Yadav, a retired Army Captain and HCS officer and uncle of Havildar Ajit Singh, recalls, “Before going to the war, Ajit had come to our place in his commando attire to seek our blessings. During a conversation, I casually mentioned that ‘faujis’ from Punsika have fought gallantly in all the wars ‘lekin gaon mein ab tak ek bhi Vir Chakra nahi aaya”. In reply, Ajit, very modestly, said, “Uncleji, dekhna abki baar Punsika mein Vir Chakra bhi aayega”. He then clicked his heals, saluted and left. That turned out to be our last meeting with the die-hard commando, for after a month we got the news of his martyrdom and of conferment of the Vir Chakra on him posthumously”. Capt Yadav continues with a sigh, “Gaon mein Chakra to aaya lekin Vir nahin aa paya”.
The martyrdom of Havildar Ajit Singh, the first Chakra awardee in his village in the Ahirwal belt of Haryana, further inspired young Ahirs of his village to keep the flame of gallantry burning. The nation salutes this warrior who left behind his wife and two sons for the sake of the motherland.

(The writer is a veteran Gunner, 6 Field Regiment)

The battle account in War Diary of 10 Para Commando Battalion reads...

Havildar Ajit Singh was one of the squad commanders in Number 3 Troop of Alfa Assault Team of 10 Para Commandos. On August 28, 1989, Number 3 Troop of the team, located at Alampil in Sri Lanka, was tasked with carrying out a search and destroy mission along the Alampil-Mullaitivu road. The Troop Commander deployed Ajit's squad with a rocket launcher on the flank to cover the movement of the troop. As soon as the troop resumed its move, it came under fire of small arms and rockets from the militants. Thinking that the troop had been ambushed, Havildar Ajit returned the fire. However, assessing that the strength and the disposition of the militants was formidable, he decided to encircle them. He quickly deployed his squad on the flank and brought down effective fire on the militants. This threat from the flank diverted the attention of the militants and also reduced the weight of fire on the remainder of the troop. In the ensuing exchange of fire, a rocket launcher detachment paratrooper was wounded and the detachment commander was killed. Undeterred, Ajit himself picked up the launcher and continued firing till the militants fled, leaving behind many dead and wounded. However, in the indiscriminate firing by the retreating militants, Havildar Ajit Singh was hit in the chest and he died instantly.

 

[12arya]

The Desert Raids of the 1971 War
The 10 Para (Commando) battalion brought victory to India

Indo-Pak War The vast India-Pakistan border on the desert was manned by thinly spread Indian Army and state armed police units — Antony Grossy/Flickr.com

Today is the 47th anniversary of the Liberation of Bangladesh. The surrender of the entire Pakistani garrison in East Bengal and the gains in the Western Sector made India the clear victor of the war of 1971. It was one of our finest hours: Indians came together, overcoming multiple crises, fears, boundaries, and institutional inertia to achieve a great feat. There are many stories surrounding this victory, one of the more interesting stories is that of a small band of soldiers of the 10 Para (Commando) battalion in the Rajasthan sector.

The Pakistanis had surprised us in the Rajasthan sector in the 1965 War. Given the comparative lack of mechanisation of both Indian and Pakistani armies, it was hitherto believed that both would refrain from major campaigns in the sandy Thar desert. The vast desert border was manned by thinly spread Indian Army and state armed police units in isolated posts. On the other side, the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers precariously manned their positions. However, the Pakistan Army approached the Hurs, a Sufi sect with thousands of adherents in Sindh. The Hurs had once unleashed a bloody insurgency against the British, which resulted in heavy reprisals, including the hanging of the Hurs’ leader, the ‘Pir Pagara’. The Hurs had extensive knowledge of the desert and were known to be fanatical fighters. The generals successfully appealed to the reigning ‘Pir Pagara’ to field this militia. The Hurs were initially used to plug gaps in defence, but the local commanders soon realised that the Hurs would be better suited for cross-border raiding. Soon, a ‘Desert Force’ of Hurs (commanded by a handful of professional soldiers) began to raid deep into Indian territory.

Several Indian posts fell: Even significant posts such as Ghotaru Fort were captured by the Desert Force. Indian responses were rather slow and unsuccessful. This was due to the terrain, poor lines of communication, lack of adequate force and the speed of enemy raids. The Pakistanis retained control of several points along the Rajasthan border when the war ended. Pakistan utilised this fact to its advantage in negotiations at the ensuing Tashkent Summit. India apparently learned the lesson: Within months, the capable Border Security Force was created. The 10 Para (Commando) battalion, tasked with desert operations, was raised in Gwalior in 1967. The conventional forces in Rajasthan were also strengthened.

The reckoning came when the Indo-Pak War erupted on December 3, 1971. A division of the Indian Army was directed towards Umarkot, a city en route to the metropolis of Hyderabad, Sindh. A band of commandos from the 10 Para (Commando) was designated the advance element and tasked with raiding deep inside Pakistani territory to eliminate key enemy positions. These commandos had trained intensively for such operations since July. The commando unit was led by Lt Col. Sawai Bhawani Singh, a special forces veteran and the Prince of Jaipur. The unit also had Khoja Rajputs who knew the region well. The force would enter enemy territory without any air or armor support, in specially fitted jeeps and jongas, armed with only light weapons. This model of long-distance raids was created by Sir David Stirling, founder of the British Special Air Service (SAS), during the North African campaign of the Second World War. Indians had also fought in this campaign and were aware of the utility of such a force, though the sandy Thar desert was far worse than the North African desert.

The raids commenced on December 4; the jeeps raced 80 km into Pakistan and destroyed the Ranger base in the town of Chachro. Indian army units soon occupied Chachro in the wake of this raid. Next, the commandos launched daylight raids to capture Virawah and Nagarparkar. Later, Islamkot and Lunio also fell. During these operations, the speed and ferocity of the attacks forced enemies to panic and flee despite having superiority in numbers and position. The militia groups tasked with defending this region also did not fare any better. Logistical difficulties and terrain — and the short duration of the war — saw the Sindh campaign halt just short of Umarkot.

However, by the end of the war, about 13,000 sq. km of Sindh was in Indian hands.

The Sindh campaign was made much smoother by the 10 Para’s raids. This was an incredible feat, highlighted by the fact that the commandos suffered no fatalities in these risky missions. The raiders had done all that was asked of them, and more. The unit was bestowed a Battle Honor — ‘Chachro 1971’ and received 10 gallantry awards: Sawai Bhawani Singh received the Mahavir Chakra. He went on to have a distinguished career in the armed forces, and as a diplomat. The 10 Para continues to be one of the premier special forces of the world.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

NSG Commando

SIG SAUER SG 553 LB/SOW with Trijicon ACOG, Flashlight & SIG GL5040 UBGL
Advance Combat Helmet ( ACH ) with side rails and NVG

 

[mupper]

Haha. Let me explain. They were AFSOC. One combat controller and two JTACs. All of them had combat experience in Afghanistan and one had been to Iraq as well. He also worked as a PMC in South Africa hunting poachers (sounds easy, is not) and all were pulling security for the ship my brother was a manager on. Trust me, they were legit.
There was also an Australian guy (more like a bitch) who tried out for and failed the selection for 2nd commando regiment who I jokingly called vanilla so he refused to talk to my brother until I got off the ship.
All of them nodded their head when calling Germans "Misfortune in boots".
Lets not derail the thread though.

I'm still kinda lost on how a couple of Special tactics lads could have a valid opinion on almost any part of any other countries military capabilities....I wouldn't even take their opinion on other parts of the USAF....

In my own experience I've worked/trained alongside virtually every other nation's military in the EU and a dozen others outside it and I'd still not have a worthwhile opinion on anything beyond what I had first hand knowledge of.

Apologies for derailing the thread lads...just struck me as bizarre.

 

[Waanar]

I'm still kinda lost on how a couple of Special tactics lads could have a valid opinion on almost any part of any other countries military capabilities....I wouldn't even take their opinion on other parts of the USAF....

In my own experience I've worked/trained alongside virtually every other nation's military in the EU and a dozen others outside it and I'd still not have a worthwhile opinion on anything beyond what I had first hand knowledge of.

Apologies for derailing the thread lads...just struck me as bizarre.

I couldn't prod further because I knew exactly jackshit about military back then but I had seen what they said regurgitated on various online forums as well so I just took their word for it.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

52 Special Action Group aka Hijack Busters performing aircraft intervention through door from FORD F550 Superduty with Mobile Adjustable Ramp System (MARS).

 

[rkhanna]

52 Special Action Group aka Hijack Busters performing aircraft intervention through door from FORD F550 Superduty with Mobile Adjustable Ramp System (MARS).

Wtf is the second to last operator pointing his gun at the back of the head of the guy in front of him.

Hope to hell it's an optical illusion of the photo angle.

But sadly I have scene this before in an NSG training video

 

[abingdonboy]

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[Assassin 2.0]

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Ek number video bro....... Modi ka swag alag h

 

[abingdonboy]

I dont know how many of you would appreciate this but.. If we are creating another unit of SF with under 35 years age guys who have high school education then we are creating another Para SF battalion and nothing "special".

Sorry bro but I think you’re a bit off here.

- SOD will see the top operators from al 3 SFs sent to it
- it will have its own separate budget and support staff
- it will have its own air assets
- it will have a dedicated command chain that goes all the way to the top of the govt IDS-CDS-PM/NSA. this itself is a HUGE change and step forward. Earlier when the govt/PM wanted an armed response he would request the respective armed forces service chiefs who then contacted their own operational HQs who in turn calibrated what was needed and then sent a request down the line to a SF unit. All this will be eliminated and the govt of India will have a “ready team” on standby 24/7 to conduct strategically significant missions.
- being an amalgamation of the 3 SFs will allow for further specialisation and a faster spreading of best practices back to their respective units.

Yes I agree the SOD won’t be a tier 1 unit overnight and there are some question marks overnight it but right now it is a HUUUGE step in the right direction and should bring about almost immediate improvements. This is just the beginning, much more still needs to be done and will be in time I’m sure.

Wtf is the second to last operator pointing his gun at the back of the head of the guy in front of him.

Hope to hell it's an optical illusion of the photo angle.

But sadly I have scene this before in an NSG training video

It’s an optical illusion, he is pointing it over the operator in front’s shoulder in a standard stack position that you see from NSG all the time. They are actually very solid in weapons handling and tactical movement these days.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Sorry bro but I think you’re a bit off here.

- SOD will see the top operators from al 3 SFs sent to it
- it will have its own separate budget and support staff
- it will have its own air assets
- it will have a dedicated command chain that goes all the way to the top of the govt IDS-CDS-PM/NSA. this itself is a HUGE change and step forward. Earlier when the govt/PM wanted an armed response he would request the respective armed forces service chiefs who then contacted their own operational HQs who in turn calibrated what was needed and then sent a request down the line to a SF unit. All this will be eliminated and the govt of India will have a “ready team” on standby 24/7 to conduct strategically significant missions.
- being an amalgamation of the 3 SFs will allow for further specialisation and a faster spreading of best practices back to their respective units.

Yes I agree the SOD won’t be a tier 1 unit overnight and there are some question marks overnight it but right now it is a HUUUGE step in the right direction and should bring about almost immediate improvements. This is just the beginning, much more still needs to be done and will be in time I’m sure.



It’s an optical illusion, he is pointing it over the operator in front’s shoulder in a standard stack position that you see from NSG all the time. They are actually very solid in weapons handling and tactical movement these days.

The best of a trigger happy group will be the best trigger happy operator and not the best operator to handle a situation which calls to be calm and use all the knowledge.

That would give us a unit which is a in between option of Int operators and hitman commandos.

Otherwise whats the point... i can right now say that some units of Para SF have the best operators in India man to man and by a huge difference.

The only difference between a new recruit and a experienced operator is... wisdom/experience. And the kind of ops we hope this unit should be doing will require a lot of that.

 

[abingdonboy]

The best of a trigger happy group will be the best trigger happy operator and not the best operator to handle a situation which calls to be calm and use all the knowledge.

That would give us a unit which is a in between option of Int operators and hitman commandos.

Otherwise whats the point... i can right now say that some units of Para SF have the best operators in India man to man and by a huge difference.

The only difference between a new recruit and a experienced operator is... wisdom/experience. And the kind of ops we hope this unit should be doing will require a lot of that.

It depends on what we are talking about when it comes to SOD, you seem to be coming at it from the idea that SOD should be a Tier 1 unit along the lines of of Delta/CAG or SEAL Team 6.

And whilst SOD will be somewhat like this (it will have the most proficient and experienced operators in it*). it is more akin to JSOC (confusing because JSOC is made up of tier 1 units) ie it will be the go-to unit for the executive branch to carrying out strategic missions.

Tier 1 units may emerge later or SOD may evolve where it has a permanent cadre but I think there’s unlikely and it’s more likely that PARA (SF) will carve out a elite Delta like unit and MARCOs a seal team 6 type unit to be part of the SOD.

Until now with no focal point there bad been no need to have a tier 1 unit in India but SOD will change this.

Anyway, like I said SOD does massively change the parameters of what and how SOFs in India do and are capable of. It won’t be a while before the results are shown, I wouldn’t expect it to be known for 5+ years but just having that direct line of control from the executive branch straight down to an elite unit is game changing in itself. Let all parties get used to this, let the services find out how they want to support this new unit, let the executive branch get an idea on how they want to control this unit and utilise it.

Then you put on top of this that SOD will have their own budget, procurements, support assets etc etc. This thing could be a beast in the medium to long term but give it time.

Hopefully soon enough SOD is expanded into a full blown command (SOCOM) and then it really will be time to create dedicated tier-1 units.


*Just like with NSG the SOD will attract the most driven and action-hungry SF operators and also the most competent as they won’t be considered for SOD without a CO’s recommendation.

 

[SatanHell]

The best of a trigger happy group will be the best trigger happy operator and not the best operator to handle a situation which calls to be calm and use all the knowledge.

That would give us a unit which is a in between option of Int operators and hitman commandos.

Otherwise whats the point... i can right now say that some units of Para SF have the best operators in India man to man and by a huge difference.

The only difference between a new recruit and a experienced operator is... wisdom/experience. And the kind of ops we hope this unit should be doing will require a lot of that.

It depends on what we are talking about when it comes to SOD, you seem to be coming at it from the idea that SOD should be a Tier 1 unit along the lines of of Delta/CAG or SEAL Team 6.

And whilst SOD will be somewhat like this (it will have the most proficient and experienced operators in it*). it is more akin to JSOC (confusing because JSOC is made up of tier 1 units) ie it will be the go-to unit for the executive branch to carrying out strategic missions.

Tier 1 units may emerge later or SOD may evolve where it has a permanent cadre but I think there’s unlikely and it’s more likely that PARA (SF) will carve out a elite Delta like unit and MARCOs a seal team 6 type unit to be part of the SOD.

Until now with no focal point there bad been no need to have a tier 1 unit in India but SOD will change this.

Anyway, like I said SOD does massively change the parameters of what and how SOFs in India do and are capable of. It won’t be a while before the results are shown, I wouldn’t expect it to be known for 5+ years but just having that direct line of control from the executive branch straight down to an elite unit is game changing in itself. Let all parties get used to this, let the services find out how they want to support this new unit, let the executive branch get an idea on how they want to control this unit and utilise it.

Then you put on top of this that SOD will have their own budget, procurements, support assets etc etc. This thing could be a beast in the medium to long term but give it time.

Hopefully soon enough SOD is expanded into a full blown command (SOCOM) and then it really will be time to create dedicated tier-1 units.


*Just like with NSG the SOD will attract the most driven and action-hungry SF operators and also the most competent as they won’t be considered for SOD without a CO’s recommendation.

Thank you so much for such deep insights posts on Special forces.
You 2 are always my favourite posters since from PDF but now that forum is turned into trash.
So looking forward to read more. Thank you!

 

[rkhanna]

It’s an optical illusion, he is pointing it over the operator in front’s shoulder in a standard stack position that you see from NSG all the time. They are actually very solid in weapons handling and tactical movement these days.

Yea i thought optical illusion as well but my skeptism has persisted from 2 years ago when i saw a video of NSG doing room clearning excerises and repeatedly operators were crossing infront of the barrel of the operators behind them.

THAT being said - by the "Front Shoulder" do you mean the right one? In which case the barrel is pointing into the body of the Aircraft!!!

The best of a trigger happy group will be the best trigger happy operator and not the best operator to handle a situation which calls to be calm and use all the knowledge.

The sad part is that we (on this forum and as well as our military) keep thinking of SF/SOF as door kickers and in terms of direct Action - Keep in mind those are Commando task not SOF tasks.

SOD will need to (over time, lots of time) be built up for a NEST/WMD Capability, Disease response capability, Cyber Warfare Capbility, ELINT/HUMINT, FID (where i feel our skills have been eroded over the past decade and half), Our soldiers will need to be educated and trained and built up to able to take over a small patch of land - learn to restore water, irrigation and power supply and learn Administration

Alot of true blue SOF tasks are not Kinetic - an SOF soldier of the 21 centuary not only needs to be as fit and as good as oplympic atheletes they need high IQs and EQs to boot.

(Quintessential SOF taskings but outside the gambit of Commando units)

And whilst SOD will be somewhat like this (it will have the most proficient and experienced operators in it*). it is more akin to JSOC (confusing because JSOC is made up of tier 1 units) ie it will be the go-to unit for the executive branch to carrying out strategic missions.

Somebody also has to have the headache of educating the executive on what a strategic mission is. HVT Capture/Kill yes, Simple post Palankhot Strikes on Terror launch pads - NO!

Anyway, like I said SOD does massively change the parameters of what and how SOFs in India do and are capable of. It won’t be a while before the results are shown, I wouldn’t expect it to be known for 5+ years but just having that direct line of control from the executive branch straight down to an elite unit is game changing in itself. Let all parties get used to this, let the services find out how they want to support this new unit, let the executive branch get an idea on how they want to control this unit and utilise it.

Agree 100% - The one fear i have is that conventional Commandars have such a loathing and poor understanding of SOF in India that (due to the low base effect) even a small incremental change will make them happy and then they will sit on their arses like always.

Tier 1 units may emerge later or SOD may evolve where it has a permanent cadre but I think there’s unlikely and it’s more likely that PARA (SF) will carve out a elite Delta like unit and MARCOs a seal team 6 type unit to be part of the SOD.

First thing- let me state that simply applying a JSOC and SOCOM concept to India maynot be needed. Our HR, budgets and mission requirements are uniquely ours. That being said Most Countries now have evolved to this point.

WE Have a unique opportunity to get ahead of the learning curve and build something with substantial teeth -

for SF to raise a delta - it first needs its own command - will the Paras let them go?
For MARCOS to raise a ST6 equivalent the ST6 Style Unit will require the same budget as the rest of MARCOS - will the Navy provide?

If 'Our' ST6 and Delta work in solitary who gets which Dedicated SOAR type Unit? or do we duplicate? How does Garud Work with them or only in Adhoc patches?

ST6 and Delta work together so much so that they can finish each others sentences. Its seamless.

That being said ST6 and Delta re NOT the only Tier 1 unit of JSOC

you have
- SOAR
- ISA
- Task Force Red (1 company of 75th Rangers Regimental Recon Company)
- 24th AirForce Special Tactics Squadron

Keep in Mind Delta and ST6 are NOT tier 1 because of their training. They are TIER 1 because of their tasking - inclusion in JSOC - because without the SOAR and ISA and Task force Red and Orange. Without those other units Delta and ST6 are just better trained and more expensive regular SFG and Vanilla Seals.

Our thinking with the SOD and future of the SOF HAS to have all stakeholders involved from the get go and like building any interprise there has to be a clear 5 year / 10 year / 15 year roadmap and milestones and there has to be balls to experiment, refine and keep going.

 

[rkhanna]

PS - i dont mean to sound Negative. There are actually some awesome things going on with SF in India (outside of SOD) and i dont want to comment.

I am sure Unknown will post in sometime

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

What will happen to SG post SOD? Will they get absorbed into SOD or will remain outside its ambit just like CIA's SAG?
Does anyone have any odea about the training and duration about Special Group
@Unknowncommando 2

SG's roles are very different so nothing will happen to them. I don't know the duration but training is mostly intel based. Current strength of SG is quite big and number of officers is surprisingly good.

 

[uoftotaku]

Hope there's a thorough investigation about circumstances he was left behind to drown