Indian Special Forces (archived)

[rkhanna]

The vehicle in the background looks interesting! Anyone ID it?

Looks like a markI Jonga sirji

 

[abingdonboy]

https://www.india.com/news/world/th...mahinda-rajapaksa-refuses-indias-aid-3644047/

Thanks But we Don’t Need NSG Commandos, Our Forces Capable Enough: Former Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapaksa Refuses India’s Aid

Former Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapaksa denied the need of NSG commandos, saying their forces are capable enough.

New Delhi: Sri Lanka’s former president Mahinda Rajapaksa thanked India for helping the island nation after multiple explosions on Easter Sunday but denied the need of foreign forces, like the National Security Guard, a counter-terrorism unit under India’s Ministry of Home Affairs.

“India has been helpful. But there is no need for NSG to come in. We don’t need foreign soldiers. Our forces are capable enough. We just need to give them powers and freedom,” said Rajapaksa in an exclusive interview with a leading channel. It was reported that the Narendra Modi-led Indian government has kept NSG commandoes on standby if the island nation needs any help.

Meanwhile, the former president also hit out at Sri Lankan government and blamed Maithripala Sirisena (current president of the island nation) and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe for the deadly blasts that killed over 250 people and injured more than 500. “They are busy playing politics at the cost of national security. They all knew about the growth of radicalism. They were worried about votes and vote bank and did not act,”News 18 quoted the former president as saying.

Earlier in the day, the elder brother of two suicide bombers who blew themselves up at two hotels in the Easter Sunday bombings in Sri Lanka was arrested during a raid in Dematagoda on Sunday. Reports said that Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed Ifran Ahmed was arrested in a house at the Mahawila Scheme.

The police Special Task Force also recovered a German-manufactured air gun and two swords from Ahmed’s possession. Following the bombings, the police took spice trader Mohamed Ibrahim into custody after his two sons were found to have been among those who carried out the attacks. The two suicide bombers blew themselves up at the Cinnamon Grand Hotel and the Shangri-La Hotel. Two more of Ibrahim’s sons were also arrested while another one is on the run. Ibrahim has a total of nine children.

He’s an opposition leader pandering to domestic audience.

Clearly this is beyond SL’s capabilities.

NSG and NIA should already be on the scene but it seems petty politics is going to prevent this which is what caused the disaster in the first place

 

[singhboy98]

He’s an opposition leader pandering to domestic audience.

Clearly this is beyond SL’s capabilities.

NSG and NIA should already be on the scene but it seems petty politics is going to prevent this which is what caused the disaster in the first place

It is safe to say that we have our personnel on the ground actively cooperating with the SL authorities. Every action need not be trumpeted to the world. Also, were we not accused of engineering a coup in Sri Lanka a couple of years ago and kicking out this moron? It is expected that he will not be happy of an Indian hand in these investigations.

 

[Deathstar]

It is safe to say that we have our personnel on the ground actively cooperating with the SL authorities. Every action need not be trumpeted to the world. Also, were we not accused of engineering a coup in Sri Lanka a couple of years ago and kicking out this moron? It is expected that he will not be happy of an Indian hand in these investigations.

Rajapaksa is close to Swamy and he met Modi recently , so we do have our options open in SL

 

[singhboy98]

Rajapaksa is close to Swamy and he met Modi recently , so we do have our options open in SL

Swamy is one of the most poisonous snakes, if not the most poisonous, in Indian politics. His only goal is the protection of his own interests. I would be wary of him and his cronies intentions if I were of any importance. Anyways, this is not the right thread for this discussion. Tag me on the Political thread if you want to continue the discussion.

 

[***Vo!D***]

Looks like a markI Jonga sirji

Shucks, for a moment I thought we'd finally got our hands on a modern LSV / MRAP type vehicle.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail 2]

I wonder how "Witnesses" knew the unit and designations of Army units being pressed into operations. SF don't carry Insignia into operations.

People have keen interest on SF now thanks to media.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail 2]

guys, what is this about?

http://morungexpress.com/nscn-im-ar-standoff-continues-onus-of-maintaining-peace-falls-on-civilians/
NSCN (IM) – AR standoff continues; onus of maintaining peace falls on civilians
April 30, 2019

Assam Rifles at Sihai village local ground, Ukhrul district, on April 29. (Photo Courtesy: NSCN-IM)


The situation on Monday remained tense in Sihai village, Ukhrul district (Manipur), as the standoff between the NSCN (IM) and 27 Assam Rifles (AR) continued. With the two parties sticking to their positions, the onus of maintaining peace in the region, as well as among the two sides, has fallen upon civilians of Ukhrul district.

“We will hold a peaceful procession on April 30 (Tuesday) from the nearby Kharasom village till Sihai to give the message of solidarity and peace to all civilians of Sihai and surrounding villages. We are with them,” said Veronica P Zingkhai, President of the Tankhul Shanao Long (TSL).

Women from seven villages of Ukhrul district will join the procession that will give an additional message. “We stand with both the parties, that is, the NSCN (IM) and 27 AR, hoping that they will refrain from any kind of armed conflict and work to re-establish the peace that we have witnessed here over the years,” said Zingkhai.

The peace procession has been necessitated as the Indian military presence grew on April 29. Witnesses reported two helicopters with more than 30 Para Commandos (Special Forces) of the Indian army landing at the Sihai village playground on Monday morning. By evening, at least two-three trucks full of AR personnel were also reported to have reached the spot (5-6km away from Sihai village), where they have surrounded an NSCN (IM) ‘undesignated camp’ with an unknown number of cadres inside.

“Some villagers have fled Sihai and gone to Ukhrul district headquarters,” informed Asha Wungnam, President of the Naga Women’s Union (NWU), who visited the area today in an attempt to mitigate the situation. “We have asked village elders to ask them to return but we cannot blame them.

Civilians remember the pre-1997 ceasefire violence and are obviously scared,” maintained Zingkhai, referring to the heightened militarization.

It was reported that two Sub Divisional Police Officers have been posted at Sihai village and the Deputy Commissioner of Ukhrul district visited the spot on Monday. This could not be confirmed as the DC did not respond to The Morung Express’ phone call. The Superintendent of Police did not respond to messages from the newspaper either.

Up to ‘higher-ups’ On Monday, a civil society team consisted of the NWU, All Naga Students’ Association, Manipur (ANSAM) and the United Naga Council (UNC) met the AR Deputy Inspector General (DIG), Brigadier Mohit Sethi, at a hilltop near the NSCN (IM) camp, from where the latter is personally monitoring the operation.

“We have requested both parties to avoid armed confrontation,” said Joseph Adani, President of the ANSAM. The UNC, NWU and ANSAM were told by the AR that the orders to vacate the camp have come from “higher ups” and it is up to them to settle the matter. The AR officials, however, did not specify who the “higher ups” in this case are.

“If that is the case, then why have they created such a situation on the ground? The peace talks are happening at the highest level and it should be resolved there in which case,” held S Kho John, President of the UNC. The NWU President also maintained that while the civil society is trying its best to get the two sides to avoid armed violence, it is not possible to settle the matter “on the spot” and they will approach NSCN (IM) “higher ups” too.

Meanwhile, “this has started impacting people in the other Naga districts in Manipur State – Chandel, Senapati, Tamenglong,” noted Adani. A common question being asked to the leaders is, “are the Assam Rifles and Government of India not honouring the Indo-Naga peace talks?”
“We appeal to both parties to honour the Indo-Naga peace talks,” said the ANSAM President.

TSL President, Veronica Zingkhai, backed the appeal and reiterated that the peace procession on Tuesday will also be in “support of the Indo-Naga peace talks which should not be disturbed nor should civilians be victimized.”

Military and police cannot touch NSCN (IM) because of ceasefire and NSCN (IM) take this ceasefire for granted for creating nuisance to civilians and forces. This is why such posturing happens. None of the parties want escalation yet none of the parties want to look weak in front of the other.

 

[ezsasa]

People have keen interest on SF now thanks to media.

It is thanks to Myanmar and URI ops....

Media is incidental.....

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Even if Sri -Lanka has asked for Indian help (which is not confirmed) it must be more of a help in investigation and forensic analysis. We know NSG has a huge expertise explosive analysis and has a huge bomb database. It is similar to the help which even Indian authorities have sought in the past from USA and Israel for forensic analysis .

Regarding actual counter terror operations I think SL authorities are capable enough to deal with the situation and their ego won't allow Indian help. Also remember that they have a high level of expertise which they have developed in dealing with LTTE insurgency though it ended a decade ago. Also I do not foresee a ISIS style or a LTTE style or even a Maoist style insurgency in SL anytime in the future. It will be more of a situation which India faced during UPA rule of continious bomb blast in one city or the other resulting in a large number of casulaties if radical Islam is allowed to flourish in SL among their minority muslim population in which logistic and training will be provided by ISIS and Paki ISI under the blessing of Chinese in order to destabilize the country.

 

[12arya]

I wonder how "Witnesses" knew the unit and designations of Army units being pressed into operations. SF don't carry Insignia into operations.

exactly my thought. that's y i posted the news here. how does the media know abt the units or if they r sf or not? if they do knw they r sf, is it wise or ethical to publish that info?

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[rkhanna]

People have keen interest on SF now thanks to media.

In the middle of bumfuck nowhere ? I highly doubt it . And what the hell is an SF unit doing inserting in a civilian area in daylight to be Id'd? . What about sympathisers in the population whou would actually be educated to recognize military units .

IMO this is about a leaking bureacracy and police force trying to earn brownie points with media. It also shows the severe limitations at a civilian-milotary strategic control level I'm employing SF units . They are simply being used as door kickers. Cant a ghatak unit do the above ?

 

[Anikastha]

exactly my thought. that's y i posted the news here. how does the media know abt the units or if they r sf or not? if they do knw they r sf, is it wise or ethical to publish that info?

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Point to be noted...indian media doesn't have ethics......

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

NSG SCAR L + Comp M4 ..........

 

[Bhadra]

In the middle of bumfuck nowhere ? I highly doubt it . And what the hell is an SF unit doing inserting in a civilian area in daylight to be Id'd? . What about sympathisers in the population whou would actually be educated to recognize military units .

Sir, the dichotomies / confusion of "cease fire" period on security forces are enormous. The Insurgent visit and stay in population centers in large numbers fully armed. They come there to eliminate their rivals, increase their bases, increase their area of influence, carry out new recruitment. sell / buy drugs and rest and recoup, The movement sometimes appear to be classical maneuvers carried out in 50 - 100 km area.. Since it is cease fire the Security forces do not fire on them and are in big dilemma.

I have seen and encountered Hansi Tankhul's Saramati Group in Nagaland moving in battalion strengths and intimidating / killing civilians and rivals (NSCN - K) during cease fire period.

IMO this is about a leaking bureaucracy and police force trying to earn brownie points with media.

That is Manipur. In Nagaland and Manipur evn dogs recognise you by your uniform and units.Some girls may even tell you the personal number of Assam Rifle boys.

It also shows the severe limitations at a civilian-military strategic control level I'm employing SF units . They are simply being used as door kickers.

The news pertains to the border village in Ukhrul bordering Myanmar. The SF could be there for a purpose but being a cease fire period a stand off emerged. The civians are really very exasperated under such situation and attempt to ward off an encounter between the two.

Cant a ghatak unit do the above ?

AR has no Ghatak.

 

[12arya]

Point to be noted...indian media doesn't have ethics......

OOPS! my bad

i know there r vested interests in such reports but shudn't the govt create some rules regarding reporting army movements openly? most of the time presstitute reports aids militants than our soldiers!

 

[rkhanna]

Sir, the dichotomies / confusion of "cease fire" period on security forces are enormous. The Insurgent visit and stay in population centers in large numbers fully armed. They come there to eliminate their rivals, increase their bases, increase their area of influence, carry out new recruitment. sell / buy drugs and rest and recoup, The movement sometimes appear to be classical maneuvers carried out in 50 - 100 km area.. Since it is cease fire the Security forces do not fire on them and are in big dilemma.

I have seen and encountered Hansi Tankhul's Saramati Group in Nagaland moving in battalion strengths and intimidating / killing civilians and rivals (NSCN - K) during cease fire period.



That is Manipur. In Nagaland and Manipur evn dogs recognise you by your uniform and units.Some girls may even tell you the personal number of Assam Rifle boys.


The news pertains to the border village in Ukhrul bordering Myanmar. The SF could be there for a purpose but being a cease fire period a stand off emerged. The civians are really very exasperated under such situation and attempt to ward off an encounter between the two.



AR has no Ghatak.

Sir i agree with everything you are saying but the point I was making was is the Deployment of SOF personel with no clear objective in broad daylight the Apt use of them?

Why fly in a SOF unit when an Infantry Unit would have sufficed?

We (at an HQ level) continue to miss the boat on things like Strategic Employment and Operational Security. Our Conventional Commanders continue to confuse Commando Missions with SOF missions.

If the creation of SOD is to finally persecute Strategic SOF missions then where does that leave the rest of our SOF units? Simple light infantry / commando taskings?

 

[apoorv465]

Saw this recent picture of a rebel Venezuelan soldier using an AR-57 with bullet feeder through top and an empty magazine in bottom to catch spebt casing leaving no trace. Do Indian SF have these kind of weapons?

 

[Anikastha]

Saw this recent picture of a rebel Venezuelan soldier using an AR-57 with bullet feeder through top and an empty magazine in bottom to catch spebt casing leaving no trace. Do Indian SF have these kind of weapons?

Looks like Venezuela civil war has started...murica bringing freedom for them...
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[Haldiram]

Looks like Venezuela civil war has started...murica bringing freedom for them...
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Yup. Russia has deployed S300 and sent military advisers in Venezuela.