Indian Special Forces (archived)

[rkhanna]

For the cost of a single Rafale/MKI you could transform ever PARA (SF) into a CAG/Delta force level equipment

Ironically the bigger chunk of money at SOCOM goes towards aviation / EW and other elint/comm / data fusion tech . The budget (rumours) I have heard of ISA is greater than Delta or ST6.

Next part of the budget goes to partnering with specialized civil companies to make specops needed gear like cutting tools / vehicle mods etc etc

The next part of the budget goes for Ammo - a g JSOC operator used to shoot 300 rounds a week back in the early 00s.

The last bit is for individual kit ( which is still insanely high ). SOCOM will have a 11bn budget this year.

Point is that you cannot train and equip a combined arms SOF set up without a Macro overarching strategic game play in mind - which we in India fail to do. I find it ironic that Army SoF is getting high cuts with no noise cancellation coms while Marcos has to use the older MKU helmets. The whole point o Seals also adopting them was that when they were in the sea they didn't scoop water back into the helmet while getting onto moving crafts etc and gave the thetaviloty to swim with helmets on .

 

[MrPresident]

https://medium.com/@Bhoot/खूब-लड़ी-she-fought-better-than-men-that-day-78916f7a2d93
Sad ...

Its Dron M Acharya. Looks like he is co authoring a book with some one else.
The above site also has some excerpts from the book. Fascinating to say the least.

Great I used to follow him on Quora.....

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[ALBY]

The Western (and Russian) SFs in recent times do drill the C-Clamp grip (what you saw), as it has a marked improvement in reducing muzzle climb and enhancing control on the weapon. There's nothing outright wrong with the traditional grip (as used by our forces), in fact I believe the traditional grip allows for lesser fatigue on the support arm.

Usually, both types of grips are used pretty interchangeable, as per shooter's comfort and situation.

The Western (and Russian) SFs in recent times do drill the C-Clamp grip (what you saw), as it has a marked improvement in reducing muzzle climb and enhancing control on the weapon. There's nothing outright wrong with the traditional grip (as used by our forces), in fact I believe the traditional grip allows for lesser fatigue on the support arm.

Usually, both types of grips are used pretty interchangeable, as per shooter's comfort and situation.

One more thing, and it's purely from what I read somewhere sometime back
though C-Clamp grip gives good accuracy, it creates more stress on the user's hand in long duration ops unlike natural grips
Also if they operate in 6 man squads, the projected left arm of the point man hinters the left side's field of view of people behind him .
The nutshell was that C-clamps are good for individual shooting competitions, but not that good for squad level ops like room breaching and other CQB ops

 

[abingdonboy]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Indian SF are the WORST equipped in the world barring truly failed states like Somalia or sub-Saharan Africa.

It’s what happens when you lack vision from leadership, have endless red tape and refuse to allocate sufficient resources to the military.

The SOD *may* change this picture but it will take a while to see results.

For the cost of a single Rafale/MKI you could transform ever PARA (SF) into a CAG/Delta force level equipment

I retract what I said. Somalia actually has better equipped SFs than India at this point.


So yeah, possibly the worst equipped SFs in the world now belong to India.

 

[rkhanna]

Great I used to follow him on Quora.....

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I know (of) the gent via other family members. I believe his book has been delayed for a while. Has gotten a few gentle slap on the wrist for being a bit too fortnight about Indian activities outside our borders.

It's a bucket list of mine to buy him a round someday to "loosen" his tongue .

His story of the rogue Indian SF soldier in Afghanistan is pretty eye opening

 

[rkhanna]

I retract what I said. Somalia actually has better equipped SFs than India at this point.


So yeah, possibly the worst equipped SFs in the world now belong to India.

Delta and the 5(?) SFG helped raise the Somali and the Kenyan Alpha element which has become the primari fight back against Al Shabab which suprising amazing results. SOFREP had a great article. Will renew my subscription soon and will post if anybody interested

 

[rkhanna]

The Western (and Russian) SFs in recent times do drill the C-Clamp grip (what you saw), as it has a marked improvement in reducing muzzle climb and enhancing control on the weapon. There's nothing outright wrong with the traditional grip (as used by our forces), in fact I believe the traditional grip allows for lesser fatigue on the support arm.

Usually, both types of grips are used pretty interchangeable, as per shooter's comfort and situation.

Our gun range schools and instructors are still very outdated. I have seen latest NSG videos doing a joke of a transition between their long gun and side arm.

We started using an easy ready position across our forces with slings only 5-7 years ago.

We are way behind the curve. Operators will only choose the best tactics from what they are taught improvisation will always take second place to training because training is what becomes muscle memory

It's no coincidence that SFGs are spending so much time with the NSG on shooting drills

 

[Bhadra]

I was keen on getting opinion of some specialists on the issue of Ghatak but it seems there no takers.

Any takers on Commando Wing under Infantry school ...
Is the training there sufficient for "Infantry Commando" tasks ? When I say Infantry what I mean is the commando type of tasks which an Infantryman ( within the preview of role and tasks of Infantry battalion) is expected to perform?

What say yeo?

 

[MrPresident]

I know (of) the gent via other family members. I believe his book has been delayed for a while. Has gotten a few gentle slap on the wrist for being a bit too fortnight about Indian activities outside our borders.

It's a bucket list of mine to buy him a round someday to "loosen" his tongue .

His story of the rogue Indian SF soldier in Afghanistan is pretty eye opening

Oh yes and those are some stories..pity that he had to get off quora

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[abingdonboy]

Our gun range schools and instructors are still very outdated. I have seen latest NSG videos doing a joke of a transition between their long gun and side arm.

We started using an easy ready position across our forces with slings only 5-7 years ago.

We are way behind the curve. Operators will only choose the best tactics from what they are taught improvisation will always take second place to training because training is what becomes muscle memory

It's no coincidence that SFGs are spending so much time with the NSG on shooting drills

Yeah even 7 years ago most SF drills were cr@p in India. Only very recently have I seen decent room clearing and just basic weapon handling demonstrations from them. And to be fair this has actually trickled down to the regulars- nowadays frontline units have pretty decent standards in terms of firing and movement drills and basic stuff like trigger discipline.

Things like this weren’t given any attention not too long ago- you’d still see many firing from the hip or carrying their gun with the barrel pointed upwards.

I’m yet to see any Indian unit showing the competence of even an average American shooting enthusiast though in terms of slickness of their drills and the transitions. It seems it takes them about 2-3 seconds longer than it should and their drills are very imprecise whereas the average western SF has the slickest of drills and move very fluidly.

I was keen on getting opinion of some specialists on the issue of Ghatak but it seems there no takers.

Any takers on Commando Wing under Infantry school ...
Is the training there sufficient for "Infantry Commando" tasks ? When I say Infantry what I mean is the commando type of tasks which an Infantryman ( within the preview of role and tasks of Infantry battalion) is expected to perform?

What say yeo?

Ghataks have their own training, the “commando course” for all infantry officers is very different.

As far as Ghataks go I’d say they’ve come a long way and generally seem pretty competent these days and are getting better and better equipment. I still think they need another 10 years to really nail their role.

 

[abingdonboy]

Delta and the 5(?) SFG helped raise the Somali and the Kenyan Alpha element which has become the primari fight back against Al Shabab which suprising amazing results. SOFREP had a great article. Will renew my subscription soon and will post if anybody interested

Thats interesting. Think French and British SF have also played a role in many of these African SF’s ops- recent Kenyan terror attack saw a number of foreign SF operators embedded with the local teams.

 

[rkhanna]

Thats interesting. Think French and British SF have also played a role in many of these African SF’s ops- recent Kenyan terror attack saw a number of foreign SF operators embedded with the local teams.

East Africa is US . The French and Brits are in central and West Africa. But the us model of FID and building up local capability has been far more successful

 

[rkhanna]

I was keen on getting opinion of some specialists on the issue of Ghatak but it seems there no takers.

Any takers on Commando Wing under Infantry school ...
Is the training there sufficient for "Infantry Commando" tasks ? When I say Infantry what I mean is the commando type of tasks which an Infantryman ( within the preview of role and tasks of Infantry battalion) is expected to perform?

What say yeo?

Bro. Suggest openinf a separate threat on this. ghataks are not SF and will get lost on this thread .

 

[Bhadra]

Bro. Suggest openinf a separate threat on this. ghataks are not SF and will get lost on this thread .

Sure, you will hear of them one day ... there will be "will" somewhere some day

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Indian SF are the WORST equipped in the world barring truly failed states like Somalia or sub-Saharan Africa.

It’s what happens when you lack vision from leadership, have endless red tape and refuse to allocate sufficient resources to the military.

The SOD *may* change this picture but it will take a while to see results.

For the cost of a single Rafale/MKI you could transform ever PARA (SF) into a CAG/Delta force level equipment

What lacks is a vision and planning.

There is no target setup to achieve here like for example in 2025 we should be having this.

To equip all of our SF operators like western sf operators is not beyond our budget.But whats beyond is the vision.

In todays warfare training and tactics evolves or should i say compliments hi tech equipment. There is no exclusiveness in this.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

From L to R
2 × New plate carriers , old tactical vest & new tactical vest ( Both with armour plate inserts on both sides ).

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Para SF #Commandos performing free fall jump from Chetak & ALH Dhruv choppers #IndianArmy

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

#IndianArmy 's GHATAK PLATOON Commandos from various infantry battalions across LOC with @TonboImaging Arjun Thermal Sights mounted on @Team_Wendy EXFIL Ballistic high-cut Helmets . EXFIL is one of the lightest high-cut helmet with all the attachments.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

#NSG #Commando Cornershot with Glock Pistol

 

[Immanuel]

Yeah even 7 years ago most SF drills were cr@p in India. Only very recently have I seen decent room clearing and just basic weapon handling demonstrations from them. And to be fair this has actually trickled down to the regulars- nowadays frontline units have pretty decent standards in terms of firing and movement drills and basic stuff like trigger discipline.

Things like this weren’t given any attention not too long ago- you’d still see many firing from the hip or carrying their gun with the barrel pointed upwards.

I’m yet to see any Indian unit showing the competence of even an average American shooting enthusiast though in terms of slickness of their drills and the transitions. It seems it takes them about 2-3 seconds longer than it should and their drills are very imprecise whereas the average western SF has the slickest of drills and move very fluidly.




Ghataks have their own training, the “commando course” for all infantry officers is very different.

As far as Ghataks go I’d say they’ve come a long way and generally seem pretty competent these days and are getting better and better equipment. I still think they need another 10 years to really nail their role.

Nigga please.

All this nigga does is talk shit, again I tell you half your shitty list can't survive a day in the kind of combat even our regular infantry can do. Get the fuck out of here with this bull shit.

Arm chair nigga talking shit. You worse than them Paki niggas in your drivel.

Pictures and videos don't mean shit nigga, battle honors and records do. All your bull shit is exactly opposite to the combat record.

Chal burbak