Indian Special Forces (archived)

[KS]

That would prove the incompetence of our security forces in dealing with the special situations. We cannot take pressure, our courage and self-respect melts under pressure and we become a see-no-evil monkey.

Look let's not kid here....The police/CISF are not trained in these missions and without the NSG there is no way in freaking hell the plane could have been stopped short of launching a arty shell from one of the nearby Forward bases.

Even then how come the incompetence of the forces becomes a fault of the NDA govt ?

This was how we dealt with Kandahar and Kargil.

Kandahar - we had no option...Kargil ..our reaction was good enough..

 

[LurkerBaba]

baba with all due respects did u ever saw a tyre of a plane ?
A plane's tyre is much more bigger than a card board target used in shooting ranges and if any one missed that much big target then he would be using the gun for first time in his life.and hitting the plane's tyre especially of boeings tyre is not at all a problem.

Tyre of a plane is big when you are right in front of it !

The plane flew away when it saw a fuel tanker coming close, now replace fuel tanker with armed policemen

 

[LurkerBaba]

Why didn't they simply shoot a few holes in the damn plane ? Holes= aircraft can't keep pressure at high atlitudes.

Heck, the cockpit is huge. Police should have shot the pilots ! What's more important ? Two lives or two hundred lives

I can come up with ideas too

 

[JayATL]

that's 'factual' rebuttal by a 10,000 IQ I'm-a-genius-in-the-di*k ABCD..? Obama is indeed right.

is that it? as I said all you do is platitudes... all you have is ABCD and some weird Obama is right statement( lord fuvcking knows what it is supposed to mean). Believe it or not I'm no Congress die hard supporter. I have nothing against or pro on the BJP because I have yet to understand wtf they stand for on specific policies...But I do know what congress under MMS has done. Imagine if you had no US -India nuke deal as one example... imagine it. The greatest coup for india ( I would name it the greatest foreign policy win in the world by far among all nations), would be non existant

 

[ALBY]

Look let's not kid here....The police/CISF are not trained in these missions and without the NSG there is no way in freaking hell the plane could have been stopped short of launching a arty shell from one of the nearby Forward bases.

Even then how come the incompetence of the forces becomes a fault of the NDA govt ?




Kandahar - we had no option...Kargil ..our reaction was good enough..

How come you to blame the forces in the kandahar issue even after knowing that unlike pakistan here the final shots are called by political babus and in kandahar incident gon=vt didn't gave forces any authority to take counter measures on their own.

 

[KS]

I'll tell you why. ,....

I'll tell you why..because we did have the equipment back then..

Afghanistan is a landlocked country & both Iran and Pakistan had closed their airspaces to India..

we had not C-130s back then..no A2A refuellers...an without them a SF operation is imposssible..

And the freaking talilbunnies were in their hundreds surrounding the hijacked aircraft with AAAs and Stinger SAMs....the same thing your country had provided to these goat fuckers..

Dumazz ...atleast now understand why India did not go for a SF operation.

 

[JayATL]

Why didn't they simply shoot a few holes in the damn plane ? Holes= aircraft can't keep pressure at high atlitudes.

Heck, the cockpit is huge. Police should have shot the pilots ! What's more important ? Two lives or two hundred lives

I can come up with ideas too

what is important to undersatnd is a simple concept/ rule of law/ thinking, what have you... Is that you don't give into terrorist demands because if you do it one time--- they will keep doing it. today's two hundred ( and not all would have died if India did a special ops raid on the aircrfat) would be 2000 in the future. you never give into terrorists demands...

 

[KS]

.But I do know what congress under MMS has done. Imagine if you had no US -India nuke deal as one example... imagine it. t

oh fuck the deal....the farmer dying in Vidharbha or all over India or the hundreds of millions of commuters who pay 71 rs for petrol or the same hundred millions suffering bone-crushing inflation have not benefitted from this friggin "coup pf the century"..

He can very well shove the coup of the century up his derriere if he can't run a country properly.

 

[ALBY]

Why didn't they simply shoot a few holes in the damn plane ? Holes= aircraft can't keep pressure at high atlitudes.

Heck, the cockpit is huge. Police should have shot the pilots ! What's more important ? Two lives or two hundred lives

I can come up with ideas too

Baba am not gonna to fell into your trap and get killed by your bad jokes neither am gonna to give a like for your comment even though i liked it

 

[KS]

How come you to blame the forces in the kandahar issue even after knowing that unlike pakistan here the final shots are called by political babus and in kandahar incident gon=vt didn't gave forces any authority to take counter measures on their own.

So according to you the Govt should have sent the poor cisf with no experience/training/equipment/leadership to handle these type of situations to certain suicide to take on the terrorists and in the process hastened the death of atleast 50 of the hostages...Is that it ?

 

[JayATL]

I'll tell you why..because we did have the equipment back then..

Afghanistan is a landlocked country & both Iran and Pakistan had closed their airspaces to India..

we had not C-130s back then..no A2A refuellers...an without them a SF operation is imposssible..

And the freaking talilbunnies were in their hundreds surrounding the hijacked aircraft with AAAs and Stinger SAMs....the same thing your country had provided to these goat fuckers..


Dumazz ...atleast now understand why India did not go for a SF operation.

Hey have you looked at pictures of other aircrafts surrounded by terrorists ? and what weapons they had? ... you think this was one of a kind? No wonder you elect people who represent the same kind of thinking.... showing me pictures of militants having weapons around the aircraft like it some freaking one of kind , first time ever happened scenario.

 

[KS]

what is important to undersatnd is a simple concept/ rule of law/ thinking, what have you... Is that you don't give into terrorist demands because if you do it one time--- they will keep doing it. today's two hundred ( and not all would have died if India did a special ops raid on the aircrfat) would be 2000 in the future. you never give into terrorists demands...

tell that to your country, who is paying them off to stop fighting and also establishing diplomatic offices for them i UAE for negotiation..."never negotiate with terrorists".

 

[mayfair]

Hey jack ass have you looked at pictures of other aircrafts surrounded by terrorists ? and what weapons they had? ... you think this was one of a kind? No wonder you elect people who represent the same kind of thinking.... showing me pictures of militants having weapons around the aircraft like it some freaking one of kind , first time ever happened scenario.

A couple of posts earlier you were showering praises on MMS..at least make up yer sodding mind..

 

[LurkerBaba]

they will keep doing it. today's two hundred ( and not all would have died if India did a special ops raid on the aircrfat) would be 2000 in the future. you never give into terrorists demands...

Spec ops raid into Afghanistan

 

[KS]

Hey have you looked at pictures of other aircrafts surrounded by terrorists ? and what weapons they had? ... you think this was one of a kind? No wonder you elect people who represent the same kind of thinking.... showing me pictures of militants having weapons around the aircraft like it some freaking one of kind , first time ever happened scenario.

do you even understand what a SAM can do to a aircraft parked 50 mtr away if launched ..? Do you even realise that we had no gear for these situations back then ?...do you even realise that we did not have permission to fly over both Iran and Pak and in the process locked away from Afghanistan (take out your high school atlas) ? Do you even realise that we had no a2a refuellers needed for such kinda mission ? do you realize we had no long range strike aircraft to soften up their positions ?

do you even realise that you are blabbing out of your arse without any logic ?

 

[JayATL]

oh fuck the deal....the farmer dying in Vidharbhaor all over India or the hundreds of millions of commuters who pay 71 rs for petrol or the same hundred millions suffering bone-crushing inflation have not benefitted from this friggin "coup pf the century"..

He can very well shove the coup of the century up his derriere if he cant run a country properly.

hey genius tell us how the BJP would have done it differently? tell us how the economic fact that inflation would come with 9- 10% growth would have been avoided by the BJP. by back to the hindu rate?

you are whining about with platitudes again. do you understand that that one deal got such untmost respect towards india, that you have even japan trying to get " Nuclear" deals with India. The last freaking country in the world that wnated anything to do with exporting nuclear know how to anyone let alone India. It's not juts that one deal but the rather what all it opened up for india, nuclear or otherwise. The very life of farmer. you cite as example, was far worse under the BJP

 

[JayATL]

do you even understand what a SAM can do to a aircraft parked 50 mtr away if launched ..? Do you even realise that we had no gear for these situations back then...do you even realise that we did not have ppermission to fly over both Iran and Pak and in the process locked away from Afghanistan ? Do you even realise that we had no a2a refuellers needed for such kinda mission ?

do you even realise that you are blabbing out of your arse without any logic ?

are you freaking kidding me.... do you even know about special ops. do you even know about how big the target is with them sitting all around to be taken out by snipers. do you know at entebee the terrorist had grenades inside all over the aircraft? do you know that israleis did it with weapons you would not even use today? are you telling me that just over decade ago--- indian militray think tanks had no way to fly there but besides asking two countries for permission? .... the reason it did not take place is because you govt has no backbone and has no trust in its militray and fears that " principle of never giving into terrorists" is not worth over the optics of 200 coming home for vote banking.

 

[KS]

hey genius tell us how the BJP would have done it differently? tell us how the economic fact that inflation would come with 9- 10% growth would have been avoided by the BJP. by back to the hindu rate?

you are proving our ignorance again and again..


It was during the NDA regime the ecoonmy actually begin to take off on a brisk pace...also I''ll give you a hint..look up the corresponding inflation figures in NDA and UP regimes.

you are whining about with platitudes again. do you understand that that one deal got such untmost respect towards india, that you have even fvucking japan trying to get " Nuclear" deals with India. The last freaking country in the world that wnated anything to do with exporting nuclear know how to anyone let alone India. It's not juts that one deal but the rather what all it opened up for india, nuclear or otherwise. The very life of farmer. you cite as example, was far worse under the BJP

Ignorance and more ignorance....credit for the nuke deal goes in this order...Bushy, Natwar Singh, Amar Singh, and Manmohan Singh..

Amar Singh because if not for his cash-for-votes the Govt would have fell like a pack of cards.


And yeah one friggin sucess in 7 years..What a god sent achievement. !.

 

[ALBY]

So according to you the Govt should have sent the poor cisf with no experience/training/equipment/leadership to handle these type of situations to certain suicide to take on the terrorists and in the process hastened the death of atleast 50 of the hostages...Is that it ?

So next time when the tangos hijack a plane you expect the govt to do the same?
If we had used any counter measures then it would have sent a string message to the whole world that we are not gonna to bow before any sort of threats.
Considring the risk of lives of soldiers during all the wars we deployed the men with the full knowledge that some of them are not gonna to came alive and we deployed them so that we had to upheld our national pride.
Govt was the one to be blamed for not sending the NSG there on time and delaying the departure from delhi on time if it was the reason.
ps:don't bring the case of delay in NSG reaching mumbai reching mumbai during operation tornado.I too put the govt reponsible for that.

 

[KS]

.....indian militray think tanks had no way to fly there but besides asking two countries for permission? .... .

Yes, jesus-freaking yes. This one line shows your level of IQ.

In Entebbe the Israelis flew over the Indian ocean whereby no overflight permission was required..

as I said take out your high school geography map or better still ask me.

And if you think assault rifles and grenades can make the same amount of destruction that a friggin Stinger & ack-ack would do...then God bless America...ye he really needs to bless it.