Indian Special Forces (archived)

[rkhanna]

You don't really think they'll show what they actually use in Ops on a tv show, do you?

Well we do see what they use on ops when they show up in news paper during Kashmir ops. It's not rocket science. They aren't giving away encryption codes to their radios

 

[sthf]

Instead of Battalion hosting their own Ghatak Platoons each Regiment Consolidated the G Platoons into a Ghatak Battalion. Each G Battalion will be broken down into Squadrons to support battalions on rotation / deployment.

It will take away Ghatak's raison d'etre and the autonomy it provides to infantry battalions.

Any unit above brigade level can ask for PARA or any other SF units to conduct missions of strategic importance. For taking out well defended MG nests or mortar batteries you need Ghataks as they are now.

 

[abingdonboy]

You don't really think they'll show what they actually use in Ops on a tv show, do you?

Sorry bro but I’ve heard this too many times and I’m sick of it, this is utter BS and nothing but a cheap excuse for substandard equipment.


They are special forces, not SSBNs, showing them with their full equipment won’t risk them or their lethality one bit.

What other SF have you heard hide behind this? All the top line SFs in the world show off their full equipment on a regular basis


This excuse falls apart even quicker when you consider we have seen Indian SF units in ACTUAL ops in JK and their equipment is no better and is shoddy at best.

 

[binayak95]

Well we do see what they use on ops when they show up in news paper during Kashmir ops. It's not rocket science. They aren't giving away encryption codes to their radios

Sorry bro but I’ve heard this too many times and I’m sick of it, this is utter BS and nothing but a cheap excuse for substandard equipment.


They are special forces, not SSBNs, showing them with their full equipment won’t risk them or their lethality one bit.

What other SF have you heard hide behind this? All the top line SFs in the world show off their full equipment on a regular basis


This excuse falls apart even quicker when you consider we have seen Indian SF units in ACTUAL ops in JK and their equipment is no better and is shoddy at best.

I am speculating, and I admit freely that my knowledge and exposure to our SF is severely limited, but I have been told that the cross border strikes involved significant ISR assets which enabled us to both monitor and scramble Pak comms. Our ELINT that was deployed was state of the art. I am also told that in the year since, much has changed for the SF. This kind of represents a dichotomy to me.

I also feel that in COIN/CT ops, operators prefer not to deploy fully kitted out, so as to not mark themselves as SF operators in what tantamounts to hostile territory. A practice that SAD and Delta also make use of in Afghanistan, Iraq and Africa.

Again, just speculating, I could be completely wrong.

 

[rkhanna]

ISR is a function of combined arms. Not an individual operators KIT.

JSOC when operating in the open - Close Protection Detail or in an Urban area in day time etc will wear civiies . But when out hunting will wear full kit.

Both ops in reference were clandestine and covert operations.

But your point is fair enough.

 

[rkhanna]

Interesting read from Quora

You wanna know special?

[This text is excerpted from a copyrighted source, now under publishing.]

Afghanistan, 2004, Regestaan Desert. 4th Company for the Afghan Northern Alliance. The specific roles and posts of my unit are albeit not classified, I have chosen to keep them out of this.

The flesh trade was just picking up on the Durand Line. Slavers and traffickers, sometimes also dressed up as NGOs and social workers; were abducting and selling children from 5–15 years old, luring young girls across the borders into Uzbekistan, Pakistan, the NWFP… such that to save their daughters families would dress them as boys, draw little mustaches and beards on them, or stick some real hair on their faces with gum, etc.

Also, the Taliban, having fallen from CIA’s grace, paid for weapons in this way sometimes, giving these children and women to foreign military officers for ammunition, guns, transport and information.

There was a market, a bazaar where in a district for whoring and gambling and fighting pits and stuff, where parents of abducted children, or police would first look. They then would go to the Taliban, who, in exchange demanded money, or services.

That’s why you didn’t act wildly and shoot or maim a normal looking family guy gone suddenly insane and carrying guns or bombs where he should be looking for his baby. It was an unwritten rule to try and use minimal force with these people acting only to save their child.

I did visit the fights and the flea markets, but never went to the ‘harems’, where you could see little, innocent babies with soorma and lipstick ready to service the gigantic filthy mongoloids who came there.

The Alliance had won every battle, and was only being hurt by the proxies, the families of poor householders, forced to render service to Talibaners, for the safe return of their children. You could see them fighting like zombies, eyes blank, no emotional investment in the fight, guns hung loosely from soft limbs not meant for war but trembling to hold their babes once more.

The passionless Alla-hoo-Akbars they shouted were more like indictments against the very God who gave them the doomed children. My heart went out to them, even as I had to shoot them one by one. I slew 4 men, only working hard to get their daughters/sisters back.

Do you know what this is like? I often ask couch-warmongers, and idiots who are fascinated with the workings of a special force. A special force is something sent to resolve situations that cannot be disclosed to the world. We are trained in speed. In finality. In precision. Only to obliterate the offending part of humanity, and every evidence of it ever having been. So the rest of mankind gets to live in it’s fool’s paradise of “democracy, socialism, what-the-fµck-ever”. I digress.

We found that three of our own were not only partaking of the trivially worded, proverbial “बहती गंगा..” ( their words, not mine ), but also compromised in terms of info, and that it had reached Command. A tall, dark chap from Bengal or Assam, and two from Rajasthan. Their names were one step shy from being released to public, as at the same time CNN was doing a story on this evil trade.

Our Command (which was in the hands of a true patriot and Son of India) felt that it was time to affect change, in the ranks, in morale, in standards of the Indian Army. We had a choice of shipping them home to court martial them, but our group commander (OSIC) was a man of real steel .

It was time to set precedent.

I shot two of them myself, one was taken by his own acquaintance. We could not allow the Army’s name to be sullied by the procedures that would rake up this filth. And with CNN’s expose already in play, we would really suffer more than we deserved, all because of three sons of bitches. After their bodies were ‘discovered’, carried back and shipped home as ‘casualties’, there was a new found respect, an awe, of the Indian Para contingent, among the Brits, the US special operators, the Turks, mercs, everyone.

I have shared this, not to indulge your appetites for fantabulous military glory, or steal valor from my comrades in the alliance actions. We all know, how it all went to shit later, anyway. Ask most police, paramilitary, peacekeeper army… to take a stand like that, and they get shaky feet.

Hundreds of thousands line up for selection into India’s Armed Forces every year. In the other countries, you have to chase young men to recruit and those who get away are called ‘dodgers’. But in India, you have got to cut it, mate. Of the few hundreds who can cut it, the SF commando are selected in not tens, but ones. That is what makes them “Men Apart, Every Man An Emperor”.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-so-special-about-the-Para-SF-of-the-Indian-Army

 

[MrPresident]

Interesting read from Quora

You wanna know special?

[This text is excerpted from a copyrighted source, now under publishing.]

Afghanistan, 2004, Regestaan Desert. 4th Company for the Afghan Northern Alliance. The specific roles and posts of my unit are albeit not classified, I have chosen to keep them out of this.

The flesh trade was just picking up on the Durand Line. Slavers and traffickers, sometimes also dressed up as NGOs and social workers; were abducting and selling children from 5–15 years old, luring young girls across the borders into Uzbekistan, Pakistan, the NWFP… such that to save their daughters families would dress them as boys, draw little mustaches and beards on them, or stick some real hair on their faces with gum, etc.

Also, the Taliban, having fallen from CIA’s grace, paid for weapons in this way sometimes, giving these children and women to foreign military officers for ammunition, guns, transport and information.

There was a market, a bazaar where in a district for whoring and gambling and fighting pits and stuff, where parents of abducted children, or police would first look. They then would go to the Taliban, who, in exchange demanded money, or services.

That’s why you didn’t act wildly and shoot or maim a normal looking family guy gone suddenly insane and carrying guns or bombs where he should be looking for his baby. It was an unwritten rule to try and use minimal force with these people acting only to save their child.

I did visit the fights and the flea markets, but never went to the ‘harems’, where you could see little, innocent babies with soorma and lipstick ready to service the gigantic filthy mongoloids who came there.

The Alliance had won every battle, and was only being hurt by the proxies, the families of poor householders, forced to render service to Talibaners, for the safe return of their children. You could see them fighting like zombies, eyes blank, no emotional investment in the fight, guns hung loosely from soft limbs not meant for war but trembling to hold their babes once more.

The passionless Alla-hoo-Akbars they shouted were more like indictments against the very God who gave them the doomed children. My heart went out to them, even as I had to shoot them one by one. I slew 4 men, only working hard to get their daughters/sisters back.

Do you know what this is like? I often ask couch-warmongers, and idiots who are fascinated with the workings of a special force. A special force is something sent to resolve situations that cannot be disclosed to the world. We are trained in speed. In finality. In precision. Only to obliterate the offending part of humanity, and every evidence of it ever having been. So the rest of mankind gets to live in it’s fool’s paradise of “democracy, socialism, what-the-fµck-ever”. I digress.

We found that three of our own were not only partaking of the trivially worded, proverbial “बहती गंगा..” ( their words, not mine ), but also compromised in terms of info, and that it had reached Command. A tall, dark chap from Bengal or Assam, and two from Rajasthan. Their names were one step shy from being released to public, as at the same time CNN was doing a story on this evil trade.

Our Command (which was in the hands of a true patriot and Son of India) felt that it was time to affect change, in the ranks, in morale, in standards of the Indian Army. We had a choice of shipping them home to court martial them, but our group commander (OSIC) was a man of real steel .

It was time to set precedent.

I shot two of them myself, one was taken by his own acquaintance. We could not allow the Army’s name to be sullied by the procedures that would rake up this filth. And with CNN’s expose already in play, we would really suffer more than we deserved, all because of three sons of bitches. After their bodies were ‘discovered’, carried back and shipped home as ‘casualties’, there was a new found respect, an awe, of the Indian Para contingent, among the Brits, the US special operators, the Turks, mercs, everyone.

I have shared this, not to indulge your appetites for fantabulous military glory, or steal valor from my comrades in the alliance actions. We all know, how it all went to shit later, anyway. Ask most police, paramilitary, peacekeeper army… to take a stand like that, and they get shaky feet.

Hundreds of thousands line up for selection into India’s Armed Forces every year. In the other countries, you have to chase young men to recruit and those who get away are called ‘dodgers’. But in India, you have got to cut it, mate. Of the few hundreds who can cut it, the SF commando are selected in not tens, but ones. That is what makes them “Men Apart, Every Man An Emperor”.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-so-special-about-the-Para-SF-of-the-Indian-Army

Its Dron M Acharya, There are more colorful stories that he has narrated. If possible read his Answers. After reading his answers I got an indication that Para s did serve in Afghanistan.

 

[MrPresident]

Interesting read from Quora

You wanna know special?

[This text is excerpted from a copyrighted source, now under publishing.]

Afghanistan, 2004, Regestaan Desert. 4th Company for the Afghan Northern Alliance. The specific roles and posts of my unit are albeit not classified, I have chosen to keep them out of this.

The flesh trade was just picking up on the Durand Line. Slavers and traffickers, sometimes also dressed up as NGOs and social workers; were abducting and selling children from 5–15 years old, luring young girls across the borders into Uzbekistan, Pakistan, the NWFP… such that to save their daughters families would dress them as boys, draw little mustaches and beards on them, or stick some real hair on their faces with gum, etc.

Also, the Taliban, having fallen from CIA’s grace, paid for weapons in this way sometimes, giving these children and women to foreign military officers for ammunition, guns, transport and information.

There was a market, a bazaar where in a district for whoring and gambling and fighting pits and stuff, where parents of abducted children, or police would first look. They then would go to the Taliban, who, in exchange demanded money, or services.

That’s why you didn’t act wildly and shoot or maim a normal looking family guy gone suddenly insane and carrying guns or bombs where he should be looking for his baby. It was an unwritten rule to try and use minimal force with these people acting only to save their child.

I did visit the fights and the flea markets, but never went to the ‘harems’, where you could see little, innocent babies with soorma and lipstick ready to service the gigantic filthy mongoloids who came there.

The Alliance had won every battle, and was only being hurt by the proxies, the families of poor householders, forced to render service to Talibaners, for the safe return of their children. You could see them fighting like zombies, eyes blank, no emotional investment in the fight, guns hung loosely from soft limbs not meant for war but trembling to hold their babes once more.

The passionless Alla-hoo-Akbars they shouted were more like indictments against the very God who gave them the doomed children. My heart went out to them, even as I had to shoot them one by one. I slew 4 men, only working hard to get their daughters/sisters back.

Do you know what this is like? I often ask couch-warmongers, and idiots who are fascinated with the workings of a special force. A special force is something sent to resolve situations that cannot be disclosed to the world. We are trained in speed. In finality. In precision. Only to obliterate the offending part of humanity, and every evidence of it ever having been. So the rest of mankind gets to live in it’s fool’s paradise of “democracy, socialism, what-the-fµck-ever”. I digress.

We found that three of our own were not only partaking of the trivially worded, proverbial “बहती गंगा..” ( their words, not mine ), but also compromised in terms of info, and that it had reached Command. A tall, dark chap from Bengal or Assam, and two from Rajasthan. Their names were one step shy from being released to public, as at the same time CNN was doing a story on this evil trade.

Our Command (which was in the hands of a true patriot and Son of India) felt that it was time to affect change, in the ranks, in morale, in standards of the Indian Army. We had a choice of shipping them home to court martial them, but our group commander (OSIC) was a man of real steel .

It was time to set precedent.

I shot two of them myself, one was taken by his own acquaintance. We could not allow the Army’s name to be sullied by the procedures that would rake up this filth. And with CNN’s expose already in play, we would really suffer more than we deserved, all because of three sons of bitches. After their bodies were ‘discovered’, carried back and shipped home as ‘casualties’, there was a new found respect, an awe, of the Indian Para contingent, among the Brits, the US special operators, the Turks, mercs, everyone.

I have shared this, not to indulge your appetites for fantabulous military glory, or steal valor from my comrades in the alliance actions. We all know, how it all went to shit later, anyway. Ask most police, paramilitary, peacekeeper army… to take a stand like that, and they get shaky feet.

Hundreds of thousands line up for selection into India’s Armed Forces every year. In the other countries, you have to chase young men to recruit and those who get away are called ‘dodgers’. But in India, you have got to cut it, mate. Of the few hundreds who can cut it, the SF commando are selected in not tens, but ones. That is what makes them “Men Apart, Every Man An Emperor”.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-so-special-about-the-Para-SF-of-the-Indian-Army

Its Dron M Acharya, There are more colorful stories that he has narrated. If possible read his Answers. After reading his answers I got an indication that Para s did serve in Afghanistan. He got banned unfortunately.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Interesting read from Quora

You wanna know special?

[This text is excerpted from a copyrighted source, now under publishing.]

Afghanistan, 2004, Regestaan Desert. 4th Company for the Afghan Northern Alliance. The specific roles and posts of my unit are albeit not classified, I have chosen to keep them out of this.

The flesh trade was just picking up on the Durand Line. Slavers and traffickers, sometimes also dressed up as NGOs and social workers; were abducting and selling children from 5–15 years old, luring young girls across the borders into Uzbekistan, Pakistan, the NWFP… such that to save their daughters families would dress them as boys, draw little mustaches and beards on them, or stick some real hair on their faces with gum, etc.

Also, the Taliban, having fallen from CIA’s grace, paid for weapons in this way sometimes, giving these children and women to foreign military officers for ammunition, guns, transport and information.

There was a market, a bazaar where in a district for whoring and gambling and fighting pits and stuff, where parents of abducted children, or police would first look. They then would go to the Taliban, who, in exchange demanded money, or services.

That’s why you didn’t act wildly and shoot or maim a normal looking family guy gone suddenly insane and carrying guns or bombs where he should be looking for his baby. It was an unwritten rule to try and use minimal force with these people acting only to save their child.

I did visit the fights and the flea markets, but never went to the ‘harems’, where you could see little, innocent babies with soorma and lipstick ready to service the gigantic filthy mongoloids who came there.

The Alliance had won every battle, and was only being hurt by the proxies, the families of poor householders, forced to render service to Talibaners, for the safe return of their children. You could see them fighting like zombies, eyes blank, no emotional investment in the fight, guns hung loosely from soft limbs not meant for war but trembling to hold their babes once more.

The passionless Alla-hoo-Akbars they shouted were more like indictments against the very God who gave them the doomed children. My heart went out to them, even as I had to shoot them one by one. I slew 4 men, only working hard to get their daughters/sisters back.

Do you know what this is like? I often ask couch-warmongers, and idiots who are fascinated with the workings of a special force. A special force is something sent to resolve situations that cannot be disclosed to the world. We are trained in speed. In finality. In precision. Only to obliterate the offending part of humanity, and every evidence of it ever having been. So the rest of mankind gets to live in it’s fool’s paradise of “democracy, socialism, what-the-fµck-ever”. I digress.

We found that three of our own were not only partaking of the trivially worded, proverbial “बहती गंगा..” ( their words, not mine ), but also compromised in terms of info, and that it had reached Command. A tall, dark chap from Bengal or Assam, and two from Rajasthan. Their names were one step shy from being released to public, as at the same time CNN was doing a story on this evil trade.

Our Command (which was in the hands of a true patriot and Son of India) felt that it was time to affect change, in the ranks, in morale, in standards of the Indian Army. We had a choice of shipping them home to court martial them, but our group commander (OSIC) was a man of real steel .

It was time to set precedent.

I shot two of them myself, one was taken by his own acquaintance. We could not allow the Army’s name to be sullied by the procedures that would rake up this filth. And with CNN’s expose already in play, we would really suffer more than we deserved, all because of three sons of bitches. After their bodies were ‘discovered’, carried back and shipped home as ‘casualties’, there was a new found respect, an awe, of the Indian Para contingent, among the Brits, the US special operators, the Turks, mercs, everyone.

I have shared this, not to indulge your appetites for fantabulous military glory, or steal valor from my comrades in the alliance actions. We all know, how it all went to shit later, anyway. Ask most police, paramilitary, peacekeeper army… to take a stand like that, and they get shaky feet.

Hundreds of thousands line up for selection into India’s Armed Forces every year. In the other countries, you have to chase young men to recruit and those who get away are called ‘dodgers’. But in India, you have got to cut it, mate. Of the few hundreds who can cut it, the SF commando are selected in not tens, but ones. That is what makes them “Men Apart, Every Man An Emperor”.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-so-special-about-the-Para-SF-of-the-Indian-Army

Man that's really deep
.............

 

[sr1]

What is the significance of 'Who cares who wins' of 9 PARA SF?

 

[12arya]

What is the significance of 'Who cares who wins' of 9 PARA SF?

i hav that exact question as well. hopfully som one will answer.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

These things are put by the CO of the units and changed regularly.It has no deep meaning significance.

Other common ones are

Dirty dozens
Always First
Fighting Eleven

And some funny ones too like

Two six nine...ek dum fine etc etc.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Have to say this is beyond disappointing.


Take away the Tavors and what about these guys is world class? Pathetic NODs, pathetic PPE, crappy comms no doubt etc

We both were very wrong in predicting the future back in our PDF days.

Its fcking 2018 and look at the equipment and gear.

 

[Anikastha]

We both were very wrong in predicting the future back in our PDF days.

Its fcking 2018 and look at the equipment and gear.

IA looks like afghan war lord militia than a professional Unit. I have seen IA chaps using two different camo. Our OFB is a big joke. I don't any other option other than privatising OFB.

 

[mayfair]

We both were very wrong in predicting the future back in our PDF days.

Well you were in the wrong, to be in the wrong place to begin with...

 

[IndiaRising]

understand what you are saying but i disagree.

The Crossborder Op post Pathankhot was over Treacherous Mountain Terrain even if the distance was much shorter . The soldiers had to evade roving PA / BAT / SSG patrols and not to forget Jihadi's etc. Its one of themost heavily armed borders on the planet.

Post the op in the NE op there was a lower chance of an OpFor chasing them - against pakistan they had to Exfil quickly to prevent getting trapped in counter action. The exfil route was over equally brutal terrain.

Also dont forget all the ISR assets the opfor had in the region.

Both Ops were equally challenging at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. Only commonality was mission success through good intelligence and fire superiority and No Casualties.

im not an expert in this so i will take your word on it.

 

[IndiaRising]

Have to say this is beyond disappointing.


Take away the Tavors and what about these guys is world class? Pathetic NODs, pathetic PPE, crappy comms no doubt etc

yet they came back without a single casualty. they do their jobs. there are many Western SOFs operating in Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered casualties despite having the most advanced equipment one can buy. Para SF do their job with minimum casualty. in fact the less Para SF casualty i can remember are from Pampore encounter and that was a rare occurrence. as an armchair enthusiast, i dont care what they carry as long as they finish the mission and come back home safely.

 

[mayfair]

Take away the Tavors and what about these guys is world class?

How about the men themselves???

 

[rkhanna]

How about the men themselves???

We are not debating the quality of men. We are discussing their equipment and employment.

For the worlds largest standing army with aspirations of being a regional/global power its criminal the step fatherly treatment our Creme Assets are given. (you can extend this argument to our other premier capital assets such as Tanks, Subs, etc etc)

Secondly training evolves in conjunction with the Equipment used. - Small arms, Optics, Communication, ISR, Vehicles, etc etc. It becomes a simple IF/ Then Equation - If equipment is old then it tends to rationalize that training is old.

In India we have spent 70 years with a "make do" attitude - we call it Jugaad. you see if cross ALL institutions in our country - Education, Public/Private Industry and our armed forces as well. While it speaks volumes of our tenacity and innovation it also comes with a cost.

 

[ALBY]

Aren't the unit commanders of SF assigned money to buy the required equipment rather than going for the bureacratic red tape? Also the SF have the freedom to fast track procurement afaik..May be the money issued may not be sufficient for equipping the whole unit,but ain't that enough to buy required equipment in limited numbers...So is it right to put entire blame on bureacracy?