Indian Special Forces (archived)

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Hand held computers existed since 2010 with PARA SF ..

Any pics?

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[Chinmoy]

Any pics?

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Behold, NCORETECH SATHI (Situational Awareness and Tactical Handheld Information.

Late Dr A.P.J Abdul Kalam checking one.

Brochure in PDF format.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is even a bigger one ..

This picture is very old, New designs are already in use and the once used in surgical strikes were more advance and compact ..

Indian Army was interested and experimenting with these computer system back in early 2000, Its mass usage started perhaps somewhere in 2010 within SF ..

SF using computers at field is not new ..

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These are from 2012, Made in India ..

Photos taken by me during defexpo 2012 ..

New generation computers used by SF are more advance and compact ..

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Company which manufacture these computers >>>>>>>

Btw, Their are also other companies produce such kind of computers in our country ..

 

[devhensh]

Their is even a bigger one ..

This picture is very old, New designs are already in use and the once used in surgical strikes were more advance and compact ..

Indian Army was interested and experimenting with these computer system back in early 2000, Its mass usage started perhaps somewhere in 2010 within SF ..

SF using computers at field is not new ..

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These are from 2012, Made in India ..

Photos taken by me during defexpo 2012 ..

New generation computers used by SF are more advance and compact ..

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Company which manufacture these computers >>>>>>>

Btw, Their are also other companies produce such kind of computers in our country ..

Good Information.......Most US Armed forces as well as US Police Cruisers use the " Panasonic Toughbook" brand ..
http://toughbook-search.aiprx.us.pa...c&sc_mc=SEM_google_ai_PSCNA_Toughbook_product

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

At 4 O'clock in the morning, someone tried to break in the room. We thought it was a hostile so my dad (an ex SAS) attacked him as soon as he broke through but he knocked my dad out in a minute. Thank god he didn't shoot.

This point is really interesting. I mean an NSG knocking out an ex-SAS within a minute shows his training and expertise in CQB.

 

[Kchontha]

AFAIK NSG commandos were trained in hand to hand combat not only in Judo and karate but also in Pekiti Tirsa Kali - a form of unarmed combat and martial arts which originates in Philippines. It is an all offensive hand to hand combat technique for eliminating opponent unlike Judo or karate.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

AFAIK NSG commandos were trained in hand to hand combat not only in Judo and karate but also in Pekiti Tirsa Kali - a form of unarmed combat and martial arts which originates in Philippines. It is an all offensive hand to hand combat technique for eliminating opponent unlike Judo or karate.

That applies to all SF. As of late, the SF is also learning Jeet Kune Do (JKD). The trainer of SF in JKD once told me that the SF prefers JKD that PKT.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In India toughbook is mostly used by DRDO ..

Good Information.......Most US Armed forces as well as US Police Cruisers use the " Panasonic Toughbook" brand ..
http://toughbook-search.aiprx.us.panasonic.com/toughpad/us/best-rugged-tablet.html?aitrk=toughbook-search&u=http://business.panasonic.com&teng=go&geng=pscna_-_justtoughbook_-_brand_-_exact_toughbook_-_brand_-_exact&aeng=ad1&beng=b&deng=c&keng=panasonic toughbooks&meng=e&peng=1t1&ieng=43841978840&kieng=kwd-300000672428&utm_source=mediappc&utm_campaign=_pscna_-_justtoughbook_-_brand_-_exact&utm_medium=cpc&sc_mc=SEM_google_ai_PSCNA_Toughbook_product

 

[rkhanna]

Episode : 2 Breaking Point: Commando School Belgaum.

Just as an FYI - this belongs more in the general IA thread than SF. Junior Leaders Wing - The Infantry School, Belgaum is not a SF school. Its aim is to teach cadets (or "Commandos") leadership skills under Extremely HIGH stress and in leading Small Units (officers/JCOs in the course tend to be very young in their service)

This school can be seen as the equivalent to the US Army Ranger School. Not all who pass the school go on to be rangers - Similarly very few of these "commandos" go on to try out for Special Forces.

 

[WARREN SS]

Just as an FYI - this belongs more in the general IA thread than SF. Junior Leaders Wing - The Infantry School, Belgaum is not a SF school. Its aim is to teach cadets (or "Commandos") leadership skills under Extremely HIGH stress and in leading Small Units (officers/JCOs in the course tend to be very young in their service)

This school can be seen as the equivalent to the US Army Ranger School. Not all who pass the school go on to be rangers - Similarly very few of these "commandos" go on to try out for Special Forces.

Ghataks regarded As SOF in india Such as 75th rangers regiment of us army

they are part Of Many Sophisticated ops during various wars,1965,1971 Op rajiv ,Tiger hill op,Tololing Etc

With there Achievements they already surpassed the tag of mere "Shock Troops"

 

[rkhanna]

Ghataks are at best highly trained in Small Unit tactics specializing in Recon and Sniper/scout and only play a tactical role at battalion level. They have limited Special Operations Capability at best. They are not regarded and/or should not be regarded as a SOF forces.

With regards to comparison with the 75th RR (which is considered a Tier II SOF unit in America). I always saw the SFF as a better fit.

Those ops at Tiger hill / Toloing come under the purview of normal combat operations - which at an infantry/corp/battalion/theater level are spearheaded by Scout type Units. (Every Infantry Battalion in the world has such a unit) - not entirely unique.

Lastly - The JLW School creates Leaders - Ghatak is a tasking and not all their jawans (ORs) are products of this school. Soldiers rotated in and out of Ghatak after their stint.

 

[aditya g]

To argue on a technicality;

There is no "ghatak battalion" in the army. Every unit maintains a ghatak platoon in its organization. Definitely these include best and fittest of the lot but to compare with a full unit is misplaced.

Ghataks regarded As SOF in india Such as 75th rangers regiment of us army

they are part Of Many Sophisticated ops during various wars,1965,1971 Op rajiv ,Tiger hill op,Tololing Etc

With there Achievements they already surpassed the tag of mere "Shock Troops"

 

[WARREN SS]

To argue on a technicality;

There is no "ghatak battalion" in the army. Every unit maintains a ghatak platoon in its organization. Definitely these include best and fittest of the lot but to compare with a full unit is misplaced.

I never Said they need A Battalion But they are Specially trained commandos Which are taken "Ghatak course" as well other training in different training schools of Military

What Makes SOF different from regular Ranks is there training

You can Say "Ghatak is Platoon Level" Units Which are specially trained To carry out Special Ops And Task

Ghataks Are used in CASO in Kashmir since 90s

Much Like Marine force recon,STA Platoon or rangers

 

[rkhanna]

What Makes SOF different from regular Ranks is there training

Actually the FIRST thing that truely sets an SOF unit apart is first Selection. Training follows Selection. And the LAST thing that matters (and equally critical) for a unit being SOF is Tasking. And that is why Ghatak Platoons while Special Operations Capable are NOT special forces.

You can Say "Ghatak is Platoon Lev
el" Units Which are specially trained To carry out Special Ops And Task

Only to the point of achieving the aims of the Battalion. And that is where their training comes up short with respect to true blue SOF units.

SOF units play across the Chess board. Ghatak units simply dont have the depth in capability. Yes sure they can do certain DA missions / Shallow Recee Missions / Sniper Missions that SOF do. But they cant do the whole gambit of operations that SOF do.

Lastly the comparison of Ghatak Platoons to Force Recon/Radio Marines (MARSOC) and the 75th Ranger Regiment are completely off.

Ghatak is an integral tool of an Infantry Battalion. MARSOC and the 75th are weapons on their own. Ladhak Scouts / SFF / Parachute Regiment are more closer comparisons here.

 

[WARREN SS]

Actually the FIRST thing that truely sets an SOF unit apart is first Selection. Training follows Selection. And the LAST thing that matters (and equally critical) for a unit being SOF is Tasking. And that is why Ghatak Platoons while Special Operations Capable are NOT special forces.

You Almost agree to my line here

SOF units play across the Chess board. Ghatak units simply dont have the depth in capability. Yes sure they can do certain DA missions / Shallow Recee Missions / Sniper Missions that SOF do. But they cant do the whole gambit of operations that SOF do.

Our thinking here Is different
Ghatak Mostly Do missions Which Required There Unit In Operational sense and Important in conventional role of war Eg Attack om tiger hill top , Raid on tololing top by 11 members ghatak Platoon of major vivek gupta and degnder singh

SF do Special operations Which are very Limited in Conventional Sense of war

You can't Tell A SF battalion To Neutralize A whole military Mechanized brigade Or Grab a area of enemy territory And prepare A defense Line

Remember SF can Win you your Short-term Objectives But It is Infantry Which wins you War

 

[sthf]

The JLW School creates Leaders - Ghatak is a tasking and not all their jawans (ORs) are products of this school.

It's the other way around. You have to complete COMMANDO course if you are to become a part of Ghatak platoon.

However the course is mandatory for all infantry officers. Vast majority of officers never join the platoon as there is only one vacancy for an officer, usually a Captain. If you fail to clear the course, chances of promotion after Lt. Col. dwindles.

 

[Screambowl]

Don't wish to lead to an argument.

The 12 member team (Assault Team) was the original composition. That was my bad as i was typing on the fly and misspoke.

Lastly - you havnt understood a word i wrote. But lets leave it at that. I have no wish to talk about what connection i have to the military forces.

it's of no use even to estimate. as most of the members here are doing
these infos are confidential and arbitrary strength as per ops. no specific no.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

GHATAKs are a match to SF in terms of combat skill.But when it comes to darker side of SF world then the Ghataks are not mandated or trained for it.

Like for example Ghataks dont do undercover ops on a larger scale like infiltrating the terrorist group or crossing the LOC into POK and spending months there. (Also think in your mind how many SF actually do this except Para and SG)

However,when it comes to getting local area intel i can tell you that Ghataks are very much involved. (As told to me by me friend who was a Ghatak)

Ghataks are also involved in cross border raids.Crossing the LOC and also the Chinese border is a very very normal thing for a Ghatak. (Ask any Ghatak officer deployed in the region)

Where they lack is the equipment and the mental aspects of the training as you can clearly see in the Discovery channel documentary when compared to last years SF documentary.

Obviously they are not comparable to SF because of their tasking but many SF are also not performing "the sf tasks".

Ghataks are doing their role of elite infantry very well which they are raised for.Inspite of many SF units being part of Kargil it was Ghataks who took Tiger hill.

The definition of Special ops in India is too vast in kashmir to think what is a special op and what is not.If cross border raids are special ops then Ghataks do it every month.

If special ops means infiltration in POK then tell me how many SFs have done that.

Lastly,comparison with USA doesnt work here.

 

[aditya g]

Behold, NCORETECH SATHI (Situational Awareness and Tactical Handheld Information.

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Late Dr A.P.J Abdul Kalam checking one.

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Brochure in PDF format.

Interesting. With powerful computers available in the form of mobile phones, one wonders if s/w could be designed to empower every single soldier at a cheap price.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

They are not ..

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GHATAKs are a match to SF in terms of combat skill.