Indian Special Forces (archived)

[aghamarshana]

Where do you stay brother.....

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[rkhanna]

Supposedly a "Special Forces Division" has been approved. This is in lieu of a Special Operations Command.

No idea what it means or what its limitations are.

 

[sthf]

Supposedly a "Special Forces Division" has been approved. This is in lieu of a Special Operations Command.

No idea what it means or what its limitations are.

First they started out with a Joint Command, then a Directorate and now it's a bloody division. The jokers at MOD are really something.

I could have had lived with the Joint Directorate as atleast then it would have had put special forces on the equal footing as Infantry, Armour or Artillery but a "Division" is nothing but a cruel joke.

 

[rkhanna]

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[rkhanna]

"Will work towards developing synergies"

Sounds very close to they are planning to make a plan

But IMO if this manages to centralize equipment procurement , Intelligence and Cross training. IMO 50% of the battle would be won

 

[Vinod DX9]

PARAs (most of them) in Kashmir

 

[Floydian]

First they started out with a Joint Command, then a Directorate and now it's a bloody division. The jokers at MOD are really something.

I could have had lived with the Joint Directorate as atleast then it would have had put special forces on the equal footing as Infantry, Armour or Artillery but a "Division" is nothing but a cruel joke.

Can u please enlighten what difference would a nomenclature make? As long the purpose of the setup is same as what we all want i.e. a command for independent spec ops.

 

[sthf]

@Floydian @Nanjesh Patel
Difference is in the scope of management, funding and clout. Original reforms suggested a Joint Special Forces Command headed by an Army officer, this would have been a separate Command directly under the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff. Had this been a Joint Command, it would have been headed by a senior three star officer atleast on par with a Theater Command of IA if not above it. This would have got the Chief (Special Forces) a seat in the decision making process.Had this been a Directorate, it would have been headed possibly by a junior three star officer which would put it in par with the Directorates of Infantry, Supplies or Training etc.But now they are proposing, a Division equivalent unit which brings it under either a further junior level three star officer or a senior two star officer.

 

[sthf]

A&N Joint Command is the only tri service Command of Indian armed forces (in the name only). Here's what it looks like.

 

[abingdonboy]

First they started out with a Joint Command, then a Directorate and now it's a bloody division. The jokers at MOD are really something.

I could have had lived with the Joint Directorate as atleast then it would have had put special forces on the equal footing as Infantry, Armour or Artillery but a "Division" is nothing but a cruel joke.

@Floydian @Nanjesh Patel
Difference is in the scope of management, funding and clout. Original reforms suggested a Joint Special Forces Command headed by an Army officer, this would have been a separate Command directly under the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff. Had this been a Joint Command, it would have been headed by a senior three star officer atleast on par with a Theater Command of IA if not above it. This would have got the Chief (Special Forces) a seat in the decision making process.Had this been a Directorate, it would have been headed possibly by a junior three star officer which would put it in par with the Directorates of Infantry, Supplies or Training etc.But now they are proposing, a Division equivalent unit which brings it under either a further junior level three star officer or a senior two star officer.

To be fair they have explictly said that the SOD (Special Ops Division) is only for a trail period and the eventual aim is to upgrade it to its own Command. Sure, as things go in India, this "trail" could last 3 decades but they haven't entirely thrown away the idea of a dedicated SOCOM.

 

[abingdonboy]

SPG conduct an emergency extraction drill at Red Fort ahead of the PM's I-Day speech (note the kevlar ballistic shield being deployed)

 

[gekko]

Trust me things are now the worst in the last 2 months.This is the first time in the last 2 months i think that we can have a war.

Besides this exercise the 2nd line of defence brigades and units are also put on alert like the ones in central India and NE insurgency.

SF is already in action but from what i hear they would hardly be part of anything big.Not a game changer as we think but definitely will be involved.

Game changers according to me will be our Sukhois,Brahmos,Arty and Armd corps.

Inf jawan will have to be the bravest of the brave like all wars.

The war will happen..this year or the next or the next.Its only a matter of time now.

Chinese are like your bad ex who keeps a grudge and wants to fuck u one day.

We are ready and i hope it doesnt happen coz there is nothing to win for each side.But if it happens expect it after Independence day until aug end.

It is China's way of trying to squeeze out one final thing to see how much they can gain before settling the border issue. They've used the same template with the other countries they've had border disputes with, including Russia. They manufacture a premise, lay claims on your territory, then they pretend to be offended, then they threaten you to cede territory, then they fight it out to see how much they can squeeze out of you.

The Doklam standoff is an EXACT replica of how the Soviet-China border war played out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict

The Sino-Soviet border conflict was a seven-month undeclaredmilitary conflictbetween the Soviet Union and China at the height of the Sino-Soviet split in 1969. Although military clashes ceased that year, the underlying issues were not resolved until the 1991 Sino-Soviet Border Agreement.

Lasted 7 months.

Just look at the timing 1969, this was just after the 1967 skirmish they had with India where they had lost 300 soldiers, and 450 wounded.

This is standard protocol for China. They try to grab the most they can by fighting it out, only then they 'settle', once they are clear that they couldn't have gotten any more.

 

[gekko]

First they started out with a Joint Command, then a Directorate and now it's a bloody division. The jokers at MOD are really something.

I could have had lived with the Joint Directorate as atleast then it would have had put special forces on the equal footing as Infantry, Armour or Artillery but a "Division" is nothing but a cruel joke.

I was at a FINS conference, when Parrikar was Def Min, and the interview was curated by Nitin Gokhale, that time someone had asked about a joint triservices command and a joint SF command, and he had said that the org structure of these commands is deliberately kept out of public domain to protect the organization. He 'hinted' that we have a de facto joint command for both, the triservices command and for SF, but it doesn't exist on paper.

The only official triservices command exists on Andaman and Nicobar, but that model has been used to even out the kinks on a larger national scale, it's just that it does not have a name which is known to us.

Last week WION did a detailed review of our preparedness wrt the 3 proposed strike corps, again narrated by Nitin Gokhale, who said that the Siliguri Corridor which is often portrayed as a weak point in our defense is actually a fortress and they are using it as a pivot for the 3 strike corps.

The strike corps is pending because of lack of air mobile artillery, M777 will take time to arrive. That's the last piece of puzzle which is missing. The troops are being acclimatized, equipment operators are being trained on simulators, fuel dumps, ammo dumps, everything is ready. If the M777 arrives early, the 3 strike corps will be ready. India, China and US all know this. The US is probably using this M777 delivery as a bargaining chip to mold China's behavior on N.Korea. If they refuse to co-operate, then the US will speed up delivery to India as a punishment for China. At the same time, they are using it as a chip to mold India's behavior.

A war is being fought in the diplomatic corridors without firing any bullet.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Last week WION did a detailed review of our preparedness wrt the 3 proposed strike corps, again narrated by Nitin Gokhale, who said that the Siliguri Corridor which is often portrayed as a weak point in our defense is actually a fortress and they are using it as a pivot for the 3 strike corps.
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Not getting the programme on utube. Please can you post the link?

 

[Vinod DX9]

Para with Australian SAS. That's amazing

 

[gekko]

Not getting the programme on utube. Please can you post the link?

They probably didn't upload that show. I found another one :


Anti-China coup in Maldives.

 

[aliyah]

why is political problem of Maldives in this thread ??

 

[zala09]

It is China's way of trying to squeeze out one final thing to see how much they can gain before settling the border issue. They've used the same template with the other countries they've had border disputes with, including Russia. They manufacture a premise, lay claims on your territory, then they pretend to be offended, then they threaten you to cede territory, then they fight it out to see how much they can squeeze out of you.

The Doklam standoff is an EXACT replica of how the Soviet-China border war played out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict



Lasted 7 months.

Just look at the timing 1969, this was just after the 1967 skirmish they had with India where they had lost 300 soldiers, and 450 wounded.

This is standard protocol for China. They try to grab the most they can by fighting it out, only then they 'settle', once they are clear that they couldn't have gotten any more.

Chinese..never talked about this.. 2 incident,
But they remind this.. in their mind very well.
That.. "India never gave at that time. And never give up this time."

Chinese also.. bother to this situation that
If India stay.strong and hit big punch by indian.. to PLA. Chinese gets backfoot at other 24 country dispute.. mostly South China Sea situation.. also refuse N.Korea protection against USA storm.

So..chinese are confused .

 

[Willy2]

Fail to visit here for a week ...and we are on the verge of war ??????

Meanwhile monsoon conditions getting worse in N.E and northern Bengal .Things getting really messy

 

[Immanuel]

This Special Ops Division is phase-1. Did anyone think it would be easy to migrate an entire military to a new way of working, as always a phased approach is required. This SOD is modeled on the lines of CIA's SAD and will work chiefly with RAW, for now SF from the 3 services teams would be rotated into it. Eventually we'll see more breakdown in structure for now next phases are still in review.