Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Innocent]

See static line jump that you see in the video is made from an altitude of 900-1200 ft but precise estimation of the altitude isn't possible by just looking at the video and pulling the chord during the HALO jump directly depends on the mission. it can be anywhere between 1000ft to 2000ft or can even be higher or lower than these figures.

900-1200 or 9000-12000 ft
1000-2000 or 10000-12000 ft
Cause 900 ft is low as hell.

 

[Trinetra]

I have question here for all.. Want to know from my all forum friends...

Which regiment is the most deadliest pack among the Elite Para commandos??

If there is, is there any special training, tactics and weapons system that they are being trained on??

Just like ppl say to kill Osama US sent its deadliest SEAL team 6 for the job among all the SEAL teams they have..

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I have question here for all.. Want to know from my all forum friends...

Which regiment is the most deadliest pack among the Elite Para commandos??

If there is, is there any special training, tactics and weapons system that they are being trained on??

Just like ppl say to kill Osama US sent its deadliest SEAL team 6 for the job among all the SEAL teams they have..

Mostly,all units have the same experience since the operators are on deputation.

However,9 Para has a permanent base in Kashmir and has excellent record there.

Lastly,All units are trained at the same base.

 

[Trinetra]

Mostly,all units have the same experience since the operators are on deputation.

However,9 Para has a permanent base in Kashmir and has excellent record there.

Lastly,All units are trained at the same base.

Good to know.. but i believe some units have more lethal training than other regiments w.r.to skydiving, weapon system and counter insurgency.. 9 para may be one of that unit among them..

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Good to know.. but i believe some units have more lethal training than other regiments w.r.to skydiving, weapon system and counter insurgency.. 9 para may be one of that unit among them..

Some units have more experience than others..training is the same.Operators from all units are deputed to 9 PARA.

Like lets say guys from 9 PARA will have more experience than Garuds+Marcos+NSG(operators) combined.

 

[rkhanna]

Just like ppl say to kill Osama US sent its deadliest SEAL team 6 for the job among all the SEAL teams they have..

Just for the record. DevGru is not a SEAL team. Its members are drawn from Navy Seals (Exclusively). ST6 naming was done to confuse the soviets in the cold war and the nomenclature stuck.

In the same way SFOD-D is not an ODA - SF units.

Both DevGru (ST6) and Delta are JSOC not SOCOM - Different tasking / Different training (may look similar on the surface but its not).

When it comes to 9 Para - their reputation comes from the Fact that they are based near the valley. Similar to how the US Army 5th SFG is considered the "hottest" as its responsibility is the ME.

The Closest thing to any JSOC element we have (in doctrine and structure) is SG.

 

[reddevil9]

Special Action Group- The Grim Reapers

 

[ezsasa]

article says 10 additional garud battalions..
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India issues RFIs for assorted weaponry and equipment for Garud special forces

India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has invited responses by 8 July from foreign and domestic suppliers on its planned acquisition of 7.62 mm rifles, sub-machine guns (SMGs), and pistols for the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Garud special forces.

The MoD has also issued requests for information (RFIs) about the potential supply of night-vision devices and armoured vehicles to equip 10 additional Garud battalions totalling 8,000-10,000 personnel.

The IAF's Garud units currently number some 1,200 personnel. The supplementary forces are part of an MoD plan to enhance security at 54 IAF bases across India following the 1 January 2016 militant strike on the Pathankot airfield, in which seven Indian soldiers were killed.

http://www.janes.com/article/71329/...aponry-and-equipment-for-garud-special-forces

 

[abingdonboy]

article says 10 additional garud battalions..
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India issues RFIs for assorted weaponry and equipment for Garud special forces

India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has invited responses by 8 July from foreign and domestic suppliers on its planned acquisition of 7.62 mm rifles, sub-machine guns (SMGs), and pistols for the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Garud special forces.

The MoD has also issued requests for information (RFIs) about the potential supply of night-vision devices and armoured vehicles to equip 10 additional Garud battalions totalling 8,000-10,000 personnel.

The IAF's Garud units currently number some 1,200 personnel. The supplementary forces are part of an MoD plan to enhance security at 54 IAF bases across India following the 1 January 2016 militant strike on the Pathankot airfield, in which seven Indian soldiers were killed.

http://www.janes.com/article/71329/...aponry-and-equipment-for-garud-special-forces

Total nonsense, the RFIs made it clear they were looking to equip around 2,000 Garuds which fits with the IAF's statement that they were doubling the size of the Garud from 1000 to around 2000.

 

[mayfair]

What's the difference between Special Action Group and Special Group?

 

[mendosa]

Total nonsense, the RFIs made it clear they were looking to equip around 2,000 Garuds which fits with the IAF's statement that they were doubling the size of the Garud from 1000 to around 2000.

I've stopped paying attention to such reports.

Most of the times, the private arms dealers plant such news to create pressure on the government, because now that people have been told that the army will get 200k guns, the citizens will start asking questions if the guns don't arrive in a few months, and this will put the government in a delicate spot to explain why the guns were not ordered in the first place.

This is a classic sales tactic. Every time a private defense contractor want to sell something, he plants a fake news in the papers claiming that the government has bought his product.

 

[reddevil9]

What's the difference between Special Action Group and Special Group?

Sir!
The NSG bifurcates into the Special Action Group and the Special Rangers Group. SRG draws it's personnel from CAPFs and state police and is mainly tasked for VIP protection duties, whereas the SAG further bifurcates into 51 SAG and 52 SAG, all the personnel in SAG are solely deputed from Army. 51 SAG is tasked for counter terrorists operations whereas 52 is tasked for anti-hijacking operations. (NSG comes under MHA)

Special Group is the 4 battalion of Special Frontier Force mandated to carry out all the black/classified ops which can be blatantly disavowed,This ultra secretive unit draws it's personnel mainly from Para SF and SFF and some time from other units too. Most of their stuff is classified. in layman terms The only unit in India which is equivalent to ST-6 or 1st SFOD-D.

 

[mayfair]

Thanks very much @reddevil9. I don't think I've ever come across any news about SG ops. Did see a few alleged training pics though.

Ultra-secretive is right, long may it stay.

 

[rkhanna]

SRG draws it's personnel from CAPFs and state police and is mainly tasked for VIP protection duties

Unfortunately while that is where the SRG spends most of its time today (VIP duties) that is not its tasking. The Rangers are to provide Recce, Perimeter and Fire Support to SAG during a CT/HRT.

They are secure to perimeter, set up surveillance , sanitize the AO for any unwelcome stuff (IEDs, etc). Essentially lock down a site before SAG retakes the building/structure. SRG is also supposed to protect SAG's flanks incase of an ambush. This way SAG is only 100% concentrating on the structure they are taking down.

Similarly my heart sinks when random DDM reports say that Garud is being expanded to provide security duty to AF installations.

 

[mayfair]

Similarly my heart sinks when random DDM reports say that Garud is being expanded to provide security duty to AF installations.

DDM is DDM for a reason. When brain is replaced with gobar, we get the DDM.

But aren't Garuds supposed to be more than that? They are supposed to be IAF's equivalent of "special forces" aren't they, or more like IAF's Ghataks?

Could you elaborate a bit on Garuds? Do they train like the parachute regiment?

 

[Prashant Sharma]

DDM is DDM for a reason. When brain is replaced with gobar, we get the DDM.

But aren't Garuds supposed to be more than that? They are supposed to be IAF's equivalent of "special forces" aren't they, or more like IAF's Ghataks?

Could you elaborate a bit on Garuds? Do they train like the parachute regiment?

Look at it this way, if the task of special forces is to strike behind the enemy lines, then Garud are not special forces.

The primary task of Garuds is to secure AF's assets & securing bases so that others can do their job.

 

[mayfair]

The primary task of Garuds is to secure AF's assets & securing bases so that others can do their job.

I understand that that's how Garuds are being used now, just as SRG of NSGs are used for VIP protection, even though that's not all that they have trained for.

I believe Garuds are also trained for CSAR ops and they are also suppose to get involved with SEAD ops in wartime. That sounds special forces like mandate to many.

What I am not certain about is if the Garuds undergo the same training as Ghataks, MARCOS, PARAs etc. After all aren't they called Garud Commando force?

 

[Prashant Sharma]

I believe Garuds are also trained for CSAR ops and they are also suppose to get involved with SEAD ops in wartime. That sounds special forces like mandate to many.

No, CSAR & SEAD ops is not their job. They are not mandated for that.
I again say, their job is restricted to securing assets.

SEAD ops is IAFs job, the pilots r trained for that. AFAIK garuds aren't trained to fly.

 

[armyofhind]

No, CSAR & SEAD ops is not their job. They are not mandated for that.
I again say, their job is restricted to securing assets.

SEAD ops is IAFs job, the pilots r trained for that. AFAIK garuds aren't trained to fly.

CSAR and SEAD is very much the Garuds mandate.
SEAD isn't always done from the air. It's done from the ground as well.
Imagine the potential of a special forces team inserted in close proximity to a SAM site.

Attacking Radar stations from the ground, siezing airfields.. target illumination and Combat control of strike packages is all part of the Garuds mandate and training.

 

[aditya g]

Maintaining a SRG is a total water of resources. The rationale for SRG was good for blue star and black thunder like situations.

Nowadays for national emergency it is a challenge to even fly down say 100 SAG commandos to site in reasonable time. Finding solution to get in SRG on site as well will require more time and waiting.

The local police or army units can perform the role of SRG. Civil VIP protection should be handed over to CISF or CRPF. SPG of course remains in Its place

Unfortunately while that is where the SRG spends most of its time today (VIP duties) that is not its tasking. The Rangers are to provide Recce, Perimeter and Fire Support to SAG during a CT/HRT.

They are secure to perimeter, set up surveillance , sanitize the AO for any unwelcome stuff (IEDs, etc). Essentially lock down a site before SAG retakes the building/structure. SRG is also supposed to protect SAG's flanks incase of an ambush. This way SAG is only 100% concentrating on the structure they are taking down.

Similarly my heart sinks when random DDM reports say that Garud is being expanded to provide security duty to AF installations.