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[cobra commando]

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[rishivashista13]

Indian PARA Special Force Commandos Being Trained In Pekiti-Tirsia Kali By Kanishka Shifu Shifu Kanishka Sharma
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[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

ARC pilots are all ex - Military - Army Aviation and AF.




Regarding your QRT. NSG is not a QRT force. It is a Dedicated into CT/HRT unit. There is a difference. For Strategic / National Priorities (i.e Tier I Cities / NS Assets - Nuclear plants etc) they WILL be the first responder and QRT. But they CANNOT play that role for the Whole country. Local SWAT teams will play that role.

Understand that NSG is strategic. LIke FBI HRT or GSG-9 or RAID/GIGN

Helicopters like i said play 2 roles 1) Transport (to get their fast) 2) Assault and Recce Support.

The 2nd part has no basis if they are QRT or not. It has to do with how they intend to take down a structure. If they need a C&C Observation platform / Fire Support / Sniper Support.

Lastly. ARC has not been wound up. They have been amalgamated by another Alphabet soup in the National Intel restructuring. Their mission and assets remain the same.

And if you use the BSF story to say the same thing will happen to the NSG . then The Home Ministry Bureacrats, Minister, Head of NSG should be fired. the NSG disbanded and re-raised from the ground up.

BSF is a Border Defence Paramilitary Unit. The NSG is a STRATEGIC national asset for Extenuating circumstances.

ARC has civil pilots and maintenance.

Please check the facts again.I know a guy who was but i am not in talking terms with him.

 

[rkhanna]

ARC has civil pilots and maintenance.

Please check the facts again.I know a guy who was but i am not in talking terms with him.

Most ARC pilots are civilian yes. But ex Military. Maybe a few got recruited straight from civilian life. I can PM on the why and how i know but dont want to discuss on open forum.

 

[Neil]

@rkhanna @mayfair

Ok gentlemen,i have your point of view and heres my take on it.

BSF as you rightly mentioned has its own air wing BUT doesnt maintain it and is done by a 3rd party IAF/Pawan Hans.So,if NSG was to have its own air wing it has to contact the 3rd party or build a dedicated maintenance squad on deputation from the IAF.

What i would also recommend like you is to have a SOCOM air wing with C130,Mi17 and even chetaks and have guys from the IAF take care of it.

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Another thing i can share with you guys without revealing too much is that guys NSG has access to all the aircraft on Indian airports whenever it wants and Delhi is the place even a civilian can see how close NSG is to the airport.There are AF assets round the clock available to the NSG.

But we should obviously have dedicated units and pilots and engineers!!

Army or the AF whoever provides pilots doesnt matter.

P.S -Dedicated maintenance squads will ensure reliability which BSF air wing and air ambulances lack.

I think instead of creating mini airforces across the various branches, MHA needs to set up its own air wing. An air wing that is accessible to all branches that come under ambit of MHA. We cannot have multiplicity of assets when such resources can be inter operable among MHA. Instead of relying of MOD or even have multiple assets under various branches, one single unified MHA airwing to be used by all forces based on requirement is the best way forward.

 

[ezsasa]

I think instead of creating mini airforces across the various branches, MHA needs to set up its own air wing. An air wing that is accessible to all branches that come under ambit of MHA. We cannot have multiplicity of assets when such resources can be inter operable among MHA. Instead of relying of MOD or even have multiple assets under various branches, one single unified MHA airwing to be used by all forces based on requirement is the best way forward.

MHA is not yet that streamlined to maintain their own air assets. In current period, in no time all air assets provided to them will be used for VIP movement.

Hopefully after 10 years, that may be possible. But not now.

Moreover they don't have the funds to maintain such costly assets.

I am saying 10 Years because I am waiting for regional transport policy which just got started to be fully implemented across all districts. The first heliport just got opened couple of months back in Delhi, once more of them get operational the cost of operations will come down. This is for choppers, planes are a different ballgame all together.

 

[Neexis]

SPG, first time I am see them with a hydration pack. Can anyone tell, what is that thing above his sidearm?? Thanks in advance.

 

[Neil]

MHA is not yet that streamlined to maintain their own air assets. In current period, in no time all air assets provided to them will be used for VIP movement.

Hopefully after 10 years, that may be possible. But not now.

Moreover they don't have the funds to maintain such costly assets.

I am saying 10 Years because I am waiting for regional transport policy which just got started to be fully implemented across all districts. The first heliport just got opened couple of months back in Delhi, once more of them get operational the cost of operations will come down. This is for choppers, planes are a different ballgame all together.

streamlining is not an issue. It is not happening tomorrow that we need to worry if MHA can handle its own air wing or not. Yes, 5-10 years down the line once all pros and cons are weighted. Even services have to be on board. But with MHA budget set to rise, it can and should seriously consider equipping itself with its own air arm.

As of now BSF has its own set of wing, NSG will have its own. CRPF may want its own. Wastage of resources. Single unified authority to handle internal security aviation requirement is needed.

 

[brational]

streamlining is not an issue. It is not happening tomorrow that we need to worry if MHA can handle its own air wing or not. Yes, 5-10 years down the line once all pros and cons are weighted. Even services have to be on board. But with MHA budget set to rise, it can and should seriously consider equipping itself with its own air arm.

As of now BSF has its own set of wing, NSG will have its own. CRPF may want its own. Wastage of resources. Single unified authority to handle internal security aviation requirement is needed.

Sir,
Mha can fix the internal security, wb, Assam, Kerala and Kashmir to a broader sense. Spine and on boarding required, which is a capability issue.. Though it is complex.. Merely Strengthening para-military won't give desired result.

RNS has lived his time... Mha needs swamy kind of person if not sswamy... Bring in Himanta Biswa Sarma from Assam.

 

[abingdonboy]

the ARC was to be wound up.

That's not quite true, NRTO were to take over their ELINT/SIGINT planes but they would retain their transport a/c.

Similar fate can meet NSG Air wing also.

So because it has not worked in the past means it should never be tried again? The situation today is very different. There is sufficent budget to maintain such assets, all examples you have mentioned have failed because of a lack of financial outlay over the over the course of the product's life to keep it in working order and significantly such products can be sourced from domestic companies like the ALH and HAL will provide through-life support and PBL and assure high availability.

Look at any unit similar to the NSG in the West, they ALL have integral air assets, India is behind the curve, there is no reason other than typical chalta hai attitude not to pursue this.

 

[abingdonboy]

View attachment 16606 SPG, first time I am see them with a hydration pack. Can anyone tell, what is that thing above his sidearm?? Thanks in advance.

There are plenty of pics of them with hydration packs bro and I think that thing is a knife:

 

[Vinod DX9]

NSG , transformation 2008-2017

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Most ARC pilots are civilian yes. But ex Military. Maybe a few got recruited straight from civilian life. I can PM on the why and how i know but dont want to discuss on open forum.

I know a few who are civilians with no airline experience.

 

[Bornubus]

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[Adioz]

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I never realized how little time it takes to insert airborne troops until I saw this video. Do the paratroopers pull the cord at the same altitude (same altitude as in this video) when HALO jumping?

 

[Suryavanshi]

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Which Plane do we usually deploy when dropping of soldiers, are they capable of dropping vehicles just like US army does?

 

[aditya10r]

Which Plane do we usually deploy when dropping of soldiers, are they capable of dropping vehicles just like US army does?

Looks like antonov-32................

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[reddevil9]

I never realized how little time it takes to insert airborne troops until I saw this video. Do the paratroopers pull the cord at the same altitude (same altitude as in this video) when HALO jumping?

See static line jump that you see in the video is made from an altitude of 900-1200 ft but precise estimation of the altitude isn't possible by just looking at the video and pulling the chord during the HALO jump directly depends on the mission. it can be anywhere between 1000ft to 2000ft or can even be higher or lower than these figures.

 

[Bornubus]

Which Plane do we usually deploy when dropping of soldiers, are they capable of dropping vehicles just like US army does?

IL 76 for BMP 2


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[ghost]

NSG

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