Indian Special Forces (archived)

[tharun]

That is my concern, the lack of long range snipers, not only for SF but for front line Troops. In the past our response was always disproportionate.

AFAIK our front line troops only have Vidhwansak, which is too bulky ( 25 kg) compared with Paki Barrett (15 kg)


Now they are using zu 23 and L 70 in Ground Attack Mode better than any HMG pakis Have credit @Kunal Biswas

If our vidhwansak is too bulky then russian OSV-96 would be good for long range sniper.........Or cheytac interventions .408 or .416 barrett
Who are using zu-23 and L-70 our IA or those pakis.........
DO we have any advantage in using zu-23 and L 70

 

[tharun]

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@Kunal Biswas

Looks like our guys doesn't have good bunkers......Do those stone bunkers are safe?

 

[armyofhind]

Capt Pawan Kumar

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[Bornubus]

DO we have any advantage in using zu-23 and L 70

Absolutely, both in range and fire power especially against enemy hiding behind harden cover.

 

[tharun]

Absolutely, both in range and fire power especially against enemy hiding behind harden cover.

Looks like both zu-23 and L 70 are too huge to carry..........can we use 20mm or 30mm cannons used in attack helicopters for long range instead of them?

 

[Bornubus]

Looks like both zu-23 and L 70 are too huge to carry..........can we use 20mm or 30mm cannons used in attack helicopters for long range instead of them?

These are permanently emplaced inside the large bunkers. @Kunal Biswas have pics for the same.

 

[WARREN SS]

Child, you can massage your ego all you want by saying you "rapped" me, (which is like LOL) but that wont change the fact that you got your bullshit refuted and countered not just by me, but by other members here as well.

Putting up information of range-finders is irrelevant here. You might've learned about them last night, but to informed people, they are a ubiquitous piece of equipment now.

Anyway, like I said before, rangefinders do absolutely NOTHING to improve the range of a round. The purpose is only to give an exact range to the sniper/spotter instead of them having to estimate the range. That exact range can be put on as elevation adjustment on the scope.

Sure, you can quote the example of Jim Gilliland but then again, fact is that its just one kill made with NATO 7.62x51mm. One only, amongst all the others... being the exception here rather than the norm.

Your lack of knowledge is evident by the fact that you are straightaway comparing NATO 7.62x51mm with the Soviet 7.62x54mm Rimmed cartridge. And also by the fact that you believe that strapping on a rangefinder somehow gives a rifle super abilities to shoot beyond its Maximum Effective Range.

So youre being the fangirl here, not me.
There is nothing more to discuss. Its a task in itself to decipher and derive meaning out of your disjointed english.

Assuming Me a child Expected Fanboy Reaction From you All Points Are Rebuffed by Me on technical Parameters

for Military Grade Laser Finders Assuming your only seen Civilian ones which use or Whatever

Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin Made recorded Shot of 1,350 m With Standard SVD With same 7.62 x54mm The Name Which you Copy Paste Without reading Just think What can he done With Modern Equipments

Secondly again you technically Diverted The matter


If Nothing Disregard In Members here Maybe they hold there Own Point view

Regarding my Qualifications or My Work Its already Proven in Staff Selection Exams

Iam Account officer in Controller General of Defence Accounts (CGDA) Under Ministry Of defence
And My work Directly related To the Auditing matters of OFB,DRDO and other Defence Organisation & PSU 's
http://cgda.nic.in/

So Mate I Know Many thing Which You will only Dream To Know about Indian Defense Establishment Sitting on Internet Typing on Key board

 

[WARREN SS]

Nobody cares, this is a defense forum not Orkut or Paki forum where you are copying the posts all along.

Other than that, there is nothing more to discuss with you.

NAVY is better, 177 sniper for Marcos etc are just news in public domain and just a boring chatter.

I Cannot Share Audit reports Which My department Submitted in CIC Parliament


But there Many Equipment Which Procurement Conducted on fast term basis

NSG Barrett M82 Brocured during 2010 And You just Seen in Action after 4-5 years by them

 

[rkhanna]

To add perspective on "modern SOF sniper rifles"

This photo really says it all for me. It’s not meant to pick on LaRue Tactical, I hear they make fine guns although I’ve never shot one.

So what’s wrong with the sniper rifle of today? What’s plaguing an industry of copy cats and me too AR platforms?

They are way too heavy and too much crap hung on them (lights, straps, back up sights…). Are we hunting bad guys or trying out for a static range beauty contest? Based on my experience it’s the latter, just open any Harris publication and you’ll see exactly what I mean.

https://sofrep.com/56439/two-things-wrong-modern-sniper-rifles/

The Author above is Brandon Webb. Sniper Instructor of Chris Kyle and an entire generation of Seal Snipers.

PS. see comments but other service members. Some disagree with him

Chris Kyles's review of sniper rifles

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/01/17/american-sniper-chris-kyle-rifles/

 

[armyofhind]

Assuming Me a child Expected Fanboy Reaction From you All Points Are Rebuffed by Me on technical Parameters

for Military Grade Laser Finders Assuming your only seen Civilian ones which use or Whatever

Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin Made recorded Shot of 1,350 m With Standard SVD With same 7.62 x54mm The Name Which you Copy Paste Without reading Just think What can he done With Modern Equipments

Secondly again you technically Diverted The matter


If Nothing Disregard In Members here Maybe they hold there Own Point view

Regarding my Qualifications or My Work Its already Proven in Staff Selection Exams

Iam Account officer in Controller General of Defence Accounts (CGDA) Under Ministry Of defence
And My work Directly related To the Auditing matters of OFB,DRDO and other Defence Organisation & PSU 's
http://cgda.nic.in/

So Mate I Know Many thing Which You will only Dream To Know about Indian Defense Establishment Sitting on Internet Typing on Key board

Keep on Ranting fangirl. Its not going to change any facts.

Max effective range of the Galatz is 1000m. Putting on a rangefinder on it will not increase the range by 500m. You can rant on it all day, all night for the rest of your life but its not going to happen.
(You have not managed to rebuff this point at ALL. Technical Parameters or not.)

Again, the ballistic properties of soviet 7.62x54mmR are not the same as NATO 7.62x51mm. The second number denotes the length of the cartridge. notice the difference between 54mm and 51mm?? greater cartridge length means greater space for propellant. Means greater range. The soviet bullet (151 grain) is also heavier than the NATO bullet (145 grain) which means greater momentum.
It would be easy to understand for any 9th grader.

FYI, Galatz fires the NATO round. Not the Soviet round.

But you in your overeagerness to prove your bullshit point will not concede. Doesn't really matter to me.

And yes, dont try to give your unrelated qualification as a measure of your IMMENSE knowledge. (LOL)

You're an accountant and deal with finances and check balance sheets. You aren't involved in weapons R&D and nor do you use weapons.
You revealing your qualification here only serves to reinforce the point that in government offices, post is no guarantee of competency. Thanks for proving an already existent social stigma.
As per you, you're with CGDA. Yet you cannot type lucid, grammatically correct English. Typical Babu.
At the very least, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[WARREN SS]

Keep on Ranting fangirl. Its not going to change any facts.

Max effective range of the Galatz is 1000m. Putting on a rangefinder on it will not increase the range by 500m. You can rant on it all day, all night for the rest of your life but its not going to happen.
(You have not managed to rebuff this point at ALL. Technical Parameters or not.)

Kid You are Just Amatuer And Jumping Without Studying or reading

Kid Max Effective Range Of Accuracy International AWM is Stated At 1500M in brochure but It Made

Longest Shot by Craig Harrison It Taken 2,475 m By Which Thousand Meters Beyond its Effective range Don't tell Me They only use Special bullet for it
Snipers Use all types Accessories including Military grade Laser Finders Which Helps you to Find target Beyond Its Effective range Image I just Shown you above

Nevertheless US army Is Preferring Accuracy international AX Series
which Effective range Is same as Dragunov

Again, the ballistic properties of soviet 7.62x54mmR are not the same as NATO 7.62x51mm. The second number denotes the length of the cartridge. notice the difference between 54mm and 51mm?? greater cartridge length means greater space for propellant. Means greater range. The soviet bullet (151 grain) is also heavier than the NATO bullet (145 grain) which means greater momentum.
It would be easy to understand for any 9th grader.

On 25 September 2012 Accuracy International announced on their company website that the AWM .338 Lapua Magnum rifle is being phased out and replaced by the Accuracy international AX Series

Which Maximum effective Range is 800 m It uses all three rounds .300 winchester .300 Lapua And Nato 7.62x54m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare#AX_series

And yes, don't try to give your qualification as a measure of your knowledge. You're an accountant and deal with finances and check balance sheets. You aren't involved in weapons R&D and nor do you use weapons.
You revealing your qualification here only serves to reinforce the point that in government offices, post is no guarantee of competency. Thanks for proving an existent social stigma.
As per you, you're with CGDA. Yet you cannot type lucid, grammatically correct English. Typical Babu.
At the very least, you should be ashamed of yourself.

And Who are you judge me on my typing Skills Now When you lost argument You are Attacking me on Personal Level its Made by assumptions correct that your One of those Unemployed People Sitting at home And good for nothing

 

[rkhanna]

^^ Sorry not taking sides here but the Craig Harrison shot was taken at high altitude (9000Ft!!). That cannot be compared to the range of a Sniper Rifle at Sea Level (brochure range)

 

[WARREN SS]

^^ Sorry not taking sides here but the Craig Harrison shot was taken at high altitude (9000Ft!!). That cannot be compared to the range of a Sniper Rifle at Sea Level (brochure range)

There guy Who Are using Same argument To me that Steyr of Paki troops on Kargil Took Accurate shot at Indian troops

I just Stated that any Dragunov SVD Indian guy was did same At Advantages positions at 15000 Ft on Batalik or tololing or tiger hill

India did same in Siachen With Pakistan SSG guys

Take Look at this You See all Sniper Hitting Above Max effective Range that Listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills

Hathcock Shot at 2,286 m M2 Browning Which In My Book was Hardest Known Kill in Sniping

 

[armyofhind]

Your lack of knowledge of basic physics is both appaling and irritating. And whats even more disdainful is your doggedness to push forth your bullshit logic using anything under the sun.

Longest Shot by Craig Harrison It Taken 2,475 m By Which Thousand Meters Beyond its Effective range Don't tell Me They only use Special bullet for it

Craig Harrison made that that shot in Afghanistan in the mountains where the air itself is rarefied and offers less resistance to any projectile. So obviously, up in the mountains any projectile will fly farther. Whether its a bullet, a rocket, an artillery shell or a bloody stone thrown from your hand.
Again, 9th grader physics.

Snipers Use all types Accessories including Military grade Laser Finders Which Helps you to Find target Beyond Its Effective range

Are you out of your mind or what? do you even know what a rangefinder is?
Do you think its some super scope with super magnification that will help a sniper find a target????

Laser rangefinders only give a sniper the accurate range of a target. THATS IT.
They dont "help a sniper find his target beyond effective range". Instead of a sniper having to estimate the range by his judgement/experience , he gets the exact range from the readout.
Rangefinders make a sniper more accurate. They DO NOT increase the range of his weapon.

First concede that instead of posting bullshit after bullshit.

On 25 September 2012 Accuracy International announced on their company website that the AWM .338 Lapua Magnum rifle is being phased out and replaced by the Accuracy international AX Series

Which Maximum effective Range is 800 m It uses all three rounds .300 winchester .300 Lapua And Nato 7.62x54m

Irrelevant here. In the AX series, the one chambered for NATO 7.62x51mm has the effective range as 800m.

The other variants have more.

Nato 7.62x54m

There is no cartridge in existence like the NATO 7.62x54mm

And Who are you judge me on my typing Skills

You were the one who started boasting about your qualification as an accountant with CGDA. Since you think its so great a position to hold, your communication skills should be up to the mark as well.

When you lost argument

I havent lost the argument. You have. And you always will if you keep posting bullshit.

You are Attacking me on Personal Level its Made by assumptions correct

I'm sorry such weird english is beyond my comprehension. Like I said earlier.

your One of those Unemployed People Sitting at home

I'm on vacation. Obviously I'm sitting at home. I work as a Hydrographer/navigator and work on a contractual basis. Its vacation time right now.

And good for nothing

Well I make more in three months than you make in a year. But if money is "nothing" for you, then no problem. :bounce:

 

[WARREN SS]

@rkhanna For Me Sniping Is All About Individual Skill During Civil War days

The Whitworth rifle outperformed the Enfield at a rate of about three to one in the trials, which tested the accuracy and range of both weapons. Notably, the Whitworth rifle was able to hit the target at a range of 2,000 yards, where the Enfield was only able to hit the same target at a range of 1,400 yards.

A Unknown Confederate sniper on December 5, 1864 Made a Exceptional Kill at 1,271 m

 

[WARREN SS]

Craig Harrison made that that shot in Afghanistan in the mountains where the air itself is rarefied and offers less resistance to any projectile. So obviously, up in the mountains any projectile will fly farther. Whether its a bullet, a rocket, an artillery shell or a bloody stone thrown from your hand.
Again, 9th grader physics.

there are Many Shot listed Above the Effective Range Including
one by Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin by his SVD. Child Even Civil war days these There Sniper Kills beyond 1000 M with Whitworth Rifle

There is no cartridge in existence like the NATO 7.62x54mm

Read Again

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_NATO


Rest You all Post are filled With your Teenage Rants

 

[WARREN SS]

Are you out of your mind or what? do you even know what a rangefinder is?
Do you think its some super scope with super magnification that will help a sniper find a target????

Laser rangefinders only give a sniper the accurate range of a target. THATS IT.
They dont "help a sniper find his target beyond effective range". Instead of a sniper having to estimate the range, he gets the exact range from the readout.
Rangefinders make a sniper more accurate. They DO NOT increase the range of his weapon.

First concede that instead of posting bullshit after bullshit.

Child Did you seen Ranges of Military grade Langer finders Which I Posted

Model Range (@ NATO target) Accuracy Weight Link to data sheet
DLEM SR ≥ 1,500 m ≤ ± 1 m ≤ 40 g
DLEM 1k ≥ 2,500 m ≤ ± 1 m ≤ 95 g
DLEM 2k ≥ 3,000 m ≤ ± 1 m ≤ 120 g
DLEM 4k ≥ 4,000 m ≤ ± 1 m ≤ 180 g

Jenoptik’s NYXUS Rangechecker is a compact handheld military laser rangefinder for reconnaissance and target ranging

For more Information on Military and Security Reconnaissance, Target Acquisition and OEM Military Laser Rangefinders, please contact our partner International Defense & Security Solutions, Inc. (IDSS)

Model Range (@ NATO target) Accuracy Weight Link to data sheet
NYXUS Rangechecker ≥ 2,500 m ± 1 m 450 g


https://www.jenoptik.com/us-military-handheld-laser-rangefinder

PS: Hoping you Know english better than me To understand

 

[armyofhind]

there are Many Shot listed Above the Effective Range Including
one by Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin child Even Civil war days these There Sniper Kills beyond 1000 M with
Whitworth Rifle



Read Again

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_NATO


Rest You all Post are filled With your Teenage Rants

yeah you read. its 51mm and not 54mm like you wrote. LOL.

For the Whitworth, max range is 1400m. LOL Again.

Child Did seen Ranges of My Military grade Langer finders Which I Posted

Irrelevant again. How does it prove your bullshit logic that a rangefinder increases the range of a weapon?
Newsflash- It doesnt.

there are Many Shot listed Above the Effective Range

Yep, Including Ilyin's kill , all are made in afghanistan in a rarefied atmosphere, or made with a 0.50 Cal BMG round.

 

[WARREN SS]

yeah you read. its 51mm and not 54mm like you wrote. LOL.

For the Whitworth, max range is 1400m. LOL Again.

Child it Made Kill at 1,271 m Without Modern Scope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitworth_rifle

 

[WARREN SS]

Yep, Including Ilyin's kill , all are made in afghanistan in a rarefied atmosphere, or made with a 0.50 Cal BMG round.

Source When does Dragunov SVD Started Firing .50 cal