Indian Special Forces (archived)

[rkhanna]

Operation Khukri ?

Yes. the Helo is from the RAF Unit attachd to D Squadron SAS. Sad that the SAS grabbed all the media kudos for an op in SL and the Indian Para Op (which was far more complex and difficult) hardly got a mention.

It was the worse defeat the RUF suffered. There is also a Khukri War Memorial in in SL to honor Indian Soldiers

 

[rkhanna]

This is how the british see their time in SL

2000 - Sierra Leone

• Summer 2000 : SAS patrols carry out fact-finding missions in support of the UN mission in the war-torn African nation.
• May 23 - A small SAS team secure RUF leader Foday Sankoh during violent classhes in the Capital, Freetown. Sankoh is spirited away to British custody.
• June 15 - SAS spotters on the ground help to guide Indian and British helicopters in rescuing more than 200 UN observers and soldiers held hostage by Revolutionary United Front rebels. (Operation Khukri)
• September 2000 : When British Soldiers are held hostage by rebels, the SAS lead a daring rescue mission to free them.
  Read more on Operation Barras

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/history/sas-history-2000s.php

Lol.

 

[Bornubus]

Paki SSG secured 1 rank in Chinese Sniper competition where IDF also took part. I wonder why India didn't participated there.

Although SF and regulars urgently need good number of Sniper Rifles, all they have Galil and SVD which is not accurate beyond 600 - 800 Mt.

GM6 Lynx with 22 and Vidhwansak are too either too heavy or limited numbers besides being an AMR.


Whereas Pakis have variety of Snipers, DMR and AMR

 

[delta]

Paki SSG secured 1 rank in Chinese Sniper competition where IDF also took part. I wonder why India didn't participated there.

Although SF and regulars urgently need good number of Sniper Rifles, all they have Galil and SVD which is not accurate beyond 600 - 800 Mt.

GM6 Lynx with 22 and Vidhwansak are too either too heavy or limited numbers besides being an AMR.


Whereas Pakis have variety of Snipers, DMR and AMR

would the SFs perform to their actual potential in such competitions? might give away their skill level. after all, nobody wants their trump card to be revealed before it's time.

yes, i know that sounds really dumb. it probably even is! just putting forward my thoughts on this.

also, we need not complain about pak military equipment. unka paisa to usi me lagta hai

 

[Bornubus]

would the SFs perform to their actual potential in such competitions? might give away their skill level. after all, nobody wants their trump card to be revealed before it's time.

yes, i know that sounds really dumb. it probably even is! just putting forward my thoughts on this.

also, we need not complain about pak military equipment. unka paisa to usi me lagta hai

These competitions only reveal the individual capabilities of an operator not the operational capabilities of the entire force, their assets etc besides Para already takes part in joint drills even with PAKIS at multinational ex conducted By Lankans.

 

[delta]

These competitions only reveal the individual capabilities of an operator not the operational capabilities of the entire force, their assets etc besides Para already takes part in joint drills even with PAKIS at multinational ex conducted By Lankans.

do we conduct any multi-national Special Forces exercises? Yudh abhyas and Vajra prahar generally involve conventional forces (at least from the americans' side), and Malabar is more on a comprehensive naval scale rather than Marcos+SEALs.

 

[armyofhind]

do we conduct any multi-national Special Forces exercises? Yudh abhyas and Vajra prahar generally involve conventional forces (at least from the americans' side), and Malabar is more on a comprehensive naval scale rather than Marcos+SEALs.

First international special forces exercise hosted by India will be held in October.

 

[Bornubus]

do we conduct any multi-national Special Forces exercises? Yudh abhyas and Vajra prahar generally involve conventional forces (at least from the americans' side), and Malabar is more on a comprehensive naval scale rather than Marcos+SEALs.

Their 1st SF group (Airborne) took part in Vajra prahar with our Para.

 

[WARREN SS]

Paki SSG secured 1 rank in Chinese Sniper competition where IDF also took part. I wonder why India didn't participated there.

India army guys catch gold Medal in Olympic in Shooting where pakistani are zero in Competition This cannot proof any thing mate there various countries Who prove there metal in war Heard About the Finnish White Death

Whereas Pakis have variety of Snipers, DMR and AMR

Dragunov SVD best sniper DMR that's why russian Still use them in Majority
In Any AMR You can Mostly fire 10 rounds Per Minute only most Accurate Sniper can hit 5-6 rounds out of 10 on target Hitting Moving target is to very hard

AMR Only Effective in Target killing Not it Real time battle Semiautomatic DMR is best option

In dragunov 30-35 round Per minute Some Elite russian Snipers Claimed 1000 yrds Shot With SVD
I think India will Change SVD with Galil in Future

Pakistani Mostly Use H&K PSG1 As FMR in Majority


Read this ,
http://rbth.com/defence/2014/06/30/devastating_in_trained_hands_the_dragunov_sniper_rifle_37811.html

 

[Bornubus]

Read this ,
http://rbth.com/defence/2014/06/30/devastating_in_trained_hands_the_dragunov_sniper_rifle_37811.html

Poated by me in CT ops thread.

Pakistani Mostly Use H&K PSG1 As FMR in Majority

Clearly you haven't updated yourself about their equipment. Their regulars were equipped with variety of Snipers before Indian had only SVD.

Paki Steyr 69 put accurate fire on our troops during kargil war.

This same sniper now inducted in CAPF especially BSF after Rangers use to pick them off from distance just like they martyred several Army troops at LOC last year.

Dragunov SVD best sniper DMR that's why russian Still use them in Majority

Russian standard issue sniper is SV 98 for more than a decade, OSV 96 as AMR not SVD alone.

Even Pakis are phasing out their Type 79 (SVD copy)

DMR is best option

Lamo.

Which DMR gives you accurate Counter Sniping tactics and ability to penetrate hardened covers @ 1000 ~ mts ?

India army guys catch gold Medal in Olympic in Shooting

They are trained by Army Marksman Unit (AMU) at Mhow infantry school. AMU was inaugurated by Gen JJ singh.


This is not a sniper school but training facility only for Army sportsmen. Just like Chinese who won many medals in Olympic shooting but defeated by Paki Snipers who have pathetic Olympic record.

Totally different things.

 

[salute]

Old pic of Para when they captured a malnourished Jihadi after flushed him out, using "chilli" grenade.



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what surrender is that ???

with loaded rifle at his hands and finger on the trigger .

 

[delta]

Their 1st SF group (Airborne) took part in Vajra prahar with our Para.

Airborne ain't exactly in the same league as Para SF right? their counterparts would be the Parachute regiment. that would be like the Marines training with the MARCOs. sure, they are in the same ballpark, and are kinda more specialised than the regular fighting units, but the real deal would be training with the SEALs/SAS/Deltas etc wouldn't it?

 

[Bornubus]

Airborne ain't exactly in the same league as Para SF right?

The official statement from US military was - Green Berets assigned to 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne) took part in exercise Vajra prahar.

 

[WARREN SS]

Russian standard issue sniper is SV 98 for more than a decade, OSV 96 as AMR not SVD alone.

Even Pakis are phasing out their Type 79 (SVD copy)

Now You update yourself SV-98 Only used by Russian Airborne Troops And FSB and Federal Protective Service (FSO) interior Ministry which is Special Forces

Lamo.

Which DMR gives you accurate Counter Sniping tactics and ability to penetrate hardened covers @ 1000 ~ mts ?

We Not Discussing counter Sniper Tactics but DMR Here Which Required For Attaining Maximum Casualty in battlefield and SVD 800 M range Enough For that Purpose I think Steyr 69 also Has same range

Indians Upgrades It to a night-capable variant designated SVDSN.

Due you see Para SF Using AMR in CT Ops They Basically use galil and PSG1 i think both have Same range as SVD if you compare

Counter Sniping is different ball game Engaging Enemy at Long ranges only 1-2 Shots can be Made out of 10 at 1000 Yrds Hit probability is Below 40 %

In think they use Mauser Sp66 for this purpose in Army

Paki Steyr 69 put accurate fire on our troops during kargil war.

Paki's were Sitting in Better Positions in Kargil What you Expect Clearly Se picture below How better Position in they were

We Did Same in Siachen Many times.Many Attempts Which Were Made Pakis Were countered Due to
Best Positions We hold on Siachen Heights

They are trained by Army Marksman Unit (AMU) at Mhow infantry school. AMU was inaugurated by Gen JJ singh.


This is not a sniper school but training facility only for Army sportsmen. Just like Chinese who won many medals in Olympic shooting but defeated by Paki Snipers who have pathetic Olympic record.

Totally different things.

My Consideration to you Such Competitions Don't Judge Countries Sniping capability of any nation These competitions which are Designed under control Environment Different From War

Russians Were Considered himselF Natural Marksman Until They Met Simo Häyhä in Soviet-finnish war

Germans Also considered themselves Great Marksmen in ww2
But Regular Soviet Snipers Which were Basically Farmers And Labourers And Including Women's Were Give them Hard Lesson At Stalingrad

Not Every body is Chris Kyle Mate

Any Average Marksmen were estimated to have a 50% probability of hitting a standing, man-sized target at 800 m (875 yd), and an 80% probability of hitting a standing, man-sized target at 500 m (547 yd). For distances not exceeding 200 m (219 yd) the probability was estimated to be well above 90%. To attain this level of accuracy the sniper could not engage more than two such targets per minute

I don't Know there Debate Btw Experts about DMR VS AMR and there Method of Use in war

 

[Bornubus]

SV-98 Only used by Russian Airborne Troops And FSB and Federal Protective Service (FSO) interior Ministry which is Special Forces

BS

There has been a long standing request by Russian snipers to upgrade their standard sniper rifle from the SVD. There is nothing wrong with the SVD for what it was designed for. But when the snipers need a precision long range rifle, the SVD does not perform up to the modern sniper rifle standard.


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We Not Discussing counter Sniper Tactics but DMR Here

We are discussing the Advantage/Disadvantage of Sniper over DMR. It is you, who said DMR is the best option. svd the main DMR with IA can't perform such tactics.

Paki's were Sitting in Better Positions in Kargil What you Expect Clearly Se picture below How better Position in they were

Irrelevant.

I only mentioned Kargil because you said that Pak Mostly use PSG 1, I only countered that claim that Pakis have variety of Snipers even before IA had only svd.

The Point was Paki sniper arsenal not Kargil.

My Consideration to you Such Competitions Don't Judge Countries Sniping capability of any nation These competitions which are Designed under control Environment Different From War

All ex and Military competitions are different from war, Moreover IA SF and troops takes part in various ex and comp. The only reason they didn't participated here is the lack of modern Sniper. Surely you don't expect them to go there with SVD/ Galil and Vidhwansak.

 

[WARREN SS]

BS

There has been a long standing request by Russian snipers to upgrade their standard sniper rifle from the SVD. There is nothing wrong with the SVD for what it was designed for. But when the snipers need a precision long range rifle, the SVD does not perform up to the modern sniper rifle standard.


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India Is also Start planning to facing Out SVD Like russian Our Special Forces Too Have Barrett And OSV -96 AMR

We are discussing the Advantage/Disadvantage of Sniper over DMR. It is you, who said DMR is the best option. svd the main DMR with IA can't perform such tactics.

Yes That's Why I quoted DMR is always Best Option in Real Battle Field When you rounded by Large Enemy forces
DELTA & US SF mostly US NEW SCAR-H Multi barrel DMR its Known to Shoot At 800-1000 yrds Precision Killing
In there Squads Mostly 1-2 Marksmen Has have Barrett M82


In Any AMR You can Mostly fire 10 rounds Per Minute only most Accurate Sniper can hit 5-6 rounds out of 10 on target Hitting Moving target is to very hard

Now Subtract Real World Statistics From It

Any Average Marksmen were estimated to have a 50% probability of hitting a standing, man-sized target at 800 m (875 yd), and an 80% probability of hitting a standing, man-sized target at 500 m (547 yd). For distances not exceeding 200 m (219 yd) the probability was estimated to be well above 90%. To attain this level of accuracy the sniper could not engage more than two such targets per minute

So I Just Told You that its better Have Precision Killing at 600-800 yrds Than Having
Low probable Kill at 1000 yrds of Any Target

please Tell How Many Sniper are Able to Kill at 1000 yards or Beyond There Breed is very Rare

Irrelevant.

I only mentioned Kargil because you said that Pak Mostly use PSG 1, I only countered that claim that Pakis have variety of Snipers even before IA had only svd.

The Point was Paki sniper arsenal not Kargil.

I only Pointed Out That they are Given Perfect Position or Spot for Shooting

It was Like Umah Beach of the Normandy during D-Day
Even A ww2 Mosin Nagant is Effective When you have Proper Position

Indian To have Variety of Snipers

Mauser SP-66
&upgraded Dragunov SVD have Same Range And Precision as Steyr -96 or PSG 1 of PA Army

Now they Started Upgraded to M82 We two are Planning Two Procure AMR and Standard DMR

All ex and Military competitions are different from war, Moreover IA SF and troops takes part in various ex and comp. The only reason they didn't participated here is the lack of modern Sniper. Surely you don't expect them to go there with SVD/ Galil and Vidhwansak.

Oh Really in competition Country Always Send there Best Snipers Which are Basically from SF

Pakistani guy who won was from SSN

Morcos And Force One are Operating Modern AMR Even NSG Since 5-6 years Including Many SF Like SG Group
Now have Word Level AMR in here Inventory Don't tell Me that there no one Expert Marksmen there

Its Just Competition Take It Like that only.Many countries Have one Such Competitions All Around the World
It has nothing to do With Any Nation Capability but an Individual Performance on the Day of competition
Nothing More or Less

 

[cobra commando]

Nearly three decades after National Security Guard came into being, the war scenario and tactics have changed across the globe. As the toughest fighting force of the country prepares its men for any kind of battle, anywhere in the world, The Tribune gets rare access to his ‘holy land’ in Manesar(Haryana). Here, men challenge themselves before they are made to take on the enemy.

THE TOUGHEST
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[cobra commando]

Govt to take steps to strengthen NSG: Rajnath Singh

 

[armyofhind]

MARCOS BATTLE HONOURS

MAHAVIRA CHAKRA - 1
VIR CHAKRA - 2
SHAURYA CHAKRA - 11
NAUSENA MEDAL (Gallantry) - 47
JEEVAN RAKSHA PADAK - 1

 

[Bornubus]

India Is also Start planning to facing Out SVD Like russian

Source ?

Our Special Forces Too Have Barrett And OSV -96 AMR

Only with Marcos in limited numbers. They are mostly spotted with Galil.

Yes That's Why I quoted DMR is always Best Option in Real Battle Field

Which you haven't prove in any of your post and when i asked you which DMR gives you the anti sniping capability and to penetrate hardened cover at distance, you said we are not discussing Anti sniper ability.

I bet in real war scenario as a SVD Marksmen against a Sniper, you would prefer a loud speaker with you to shout "DMR is always the best option in real battle filed" because you will unable to engage that sniper at long range picking your team at distance.

I only Pointed Out That they are Given Perfect Position or Spot for Shooting

It was Like Umah Beach of the Normandy during D-Day
Even A ww2 Mosin Nagant is Effective When you have Proper Position

Again, my friend the point was not Paki holding better position and Omaha beach etc.

Morcos And Force One are Operating Modern AMR Even NSG Since 5-6 years Including Many SF Like SG Group

Now have Word Level AMR in here Inventory Don't tell Me that there no one Expert Marksmen there

I never questioned their capabilities as Marksman/ Sniper but they should take part in such competition - That was my opinion.

You just made that out of thin air.