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Special Protection Group's Counter Assualt Team with the PM in Mauritius:

 
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I did see that documentary and seeing those two pics buzzed the same question in my mind, the moment I saw your question on pdf, I sent the photo to a retired senior para(SF) officer I know, awaiting his reply as he has posted pics of him skydiving with the SFF at chakrata, I had also talked about SG and its possible role in the recent Indians go to slot Dawood rumor.

I also shared some of the observations you had with regards to the single tube nvgs,camo boots, the door etc. There are some other things I noticed about them that looked very Indian-:

1) Notice the similarity of helmets of the supposed SG operators,NSG commandos and MARCOS. Doesn't the black cloth and its wrapping look very similar.
2) Their SMG is the P-90, remember the SPG uses them too, it is quite possible that the SG might have liked the P-90 and inducted it.
3) The first pic see the knife the operator has strapped on his right leg, the design of the case looks very similar to a Muela knife I own, the same knife is used by the Garuds.

If FN is supplying f2000,p90 and fiveseven pistols, I am pretty sure some of the folks at SG might try the SCAR given that it saw service with the Rangers and SEALs in Afghanistan(although it was SCAR-L model used mostly by marksmen).

Lets see what the officer tells me.

Oh btw, do me a favor:

1)Cold Hearted wrote that SG is also known as Vikas regt on pdf, please correct him, they are completely different parts of SFF.
2) Direct Action wanted to know about the Polish unit. It isn't GROM it is JW Komandosow, which the Poles have modeled on the US Green Berets(and the Aussie SASR) since that unit conducted FID missions in Afghanistan. GROM is a CT force based on Delta,JW AGAT on the Rangers,JW Formoza on the SEALs and finally JW Nil.

Sir,

What did the ex -officer told you ?

Regarding SFF :

There was an email of Abhishek Verma, the arms agent who is now in jail. In it he had said that the arms company should target SFF as they are the tier one unit of India and whatever they would buy other forces follow.

2 Sff AND SG have the highest budget to them.Once I had read somewhere ,the parachute they were using were the most expensive and of high quality and no other Indian unit were given that type of chutes.I don't know the present status.

3 Tier one operation will be the covert ops done on foreign land ,which never comes out in public.Which forces are the most preferred for such ops.

4 Para(sf ) and maybe others in other elite unit have to apply and pass the procedure to join SG not vice versa.


5 While debating about the most elite unit of India there can be debate between three 1SFF (SG)

2 Marcos

3 Para(sf)


I will give it to SFF(sg)

1 Because of their highest budget and priority given to them regarding latest weapons and technology.

2 The level of secrecy and the type of ops they are required to perform.

3 Para (sf) have to apply and qualify to join SFF(SG) and you always apply and qualify to go up(not vice -versa) .
 

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Concerniing the last poit,an exx Para commando from 4th PARA said that any one from army could apply for SG oor PARA,even the Territorial army persons.And PARA guys will never acknowledge that SG/VIKAS(they term them as VIKAS) are any ways elite than PARA.
Concerning the SCAR,P-90,and all those exotic weaponry he said that it is believed SG still gets funding from US.
 

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Para Jump over AeroIndia 2015 - 2 Para SF, 1Bn 1SFG and NSG
 

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@ghost

There was an email of Abhishek Verma, the arms agent who is now in jail. In it he had said that the arms company should target SFF as they are the tier one unit of India and whatever they would buy other forces follow.
SG gets the highest priority in budget as it is directly under the PMO. According to one Lt. Gen, SFF (SG) buys the equipment and rest of the SOFs follow the lead.



While debating about the most elite unit of India there can be debate between three 1SFF (SG)

2 Marcos

3 Para(sf)
Different mandate, roles, ideology and as of today commands and commanders.

Much of the Para's capabilities and training came from their own very vast experience with very little foreign help IMO. In case of MARCOS it started with NAB Coronado and therefore it has it's own distinct swagger amongst the pack and the camera shyness that SEALS themselves have forgotten.SFF was a very American unit with possibly the least desi colours and SG is from what we have learned from open source materials is a very "Yahoodi" outfit, something given it's mandate is the finest choice the then PMO made.
 
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Para Jump over AeroIndia 2015 - 2 Para SF, 1Bn 1SFG and NSG
One major disinformation being spread from time to time is that NSG is not trained for offensive operations in overseas territory, mention of "Phantom" unit and these pics say quite the opposite.
 

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Yeah spotted...Is this a new or old one coz those vests seems to be new ones.
Why RR is not using captured RPDs or RPKS as a SAW as they are lighter than bren,uses M43 ammo which is in abundance with RR.
 

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Well i dont know it had been posted here earlier
 

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As far as we are concerned there is only one so-called Tier One SF group in the IA and that seems to be the SFF. True "operators" don't parade around at public events or go into combat with faces uncovered for all to see their identities. We see the Para's, MARCO's, SPG, NSG et all in public all the time and while some of them do cover their faces, the fact that their operations take place in public without restriction should tell everyone how "secret" they are supposed to be. Not taking anything away from any of them of course, but in the narrow definitions of semantics everyone is arguing over, only the SFF which stays out of the public eye and conducts completely covert operations (most likely on foreign soil in support of / co-operation with the IB) would qualify as a T1 SF.

Let's not talk about the "Bollywood Commando Force" aka Garuds....:frusty:
 
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