Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Kunal Biswas]

Wish PARA SF follow the suit, At present the DMR TARs are only equipped with Mars red dot ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Garud`s primary tasks is to safe guard IAF aircraft and installation against other specialized Raiders ..

They are perhaps only SF, Who are getting customized 4x4 Armored vehicles for such tasks, IAF ordered around 100 number of these and ofcourse under IAF, They will be imported

They also launched the need for new AR besides TAR ..

No doubt the Garuds are highly trained and will perform well in any task given to them, I don't doubt their training one bit.

My simple question is "How the fvck do you know ?"

 

[mikhail]

That may just be an air force thing... I remember in NCC, we used to be envious of their ease of life.... many like me even wished we traveled a few kilometers more to enroll in the Air Corps..

Well i was an Air Wing cadet and i can assure you that there is nothing glamorous of being an air wing cadet.On the contrary,i always wanted to be in the Army wing but had to join the air wing as the army wing unit was absent in our school.

 

[mikhail]

Wish PARA SF follow the suit, At present the DMR TARs are only equipped with Mars red dot ..

Sir,what is the present strength of the Garud unit??Wikipedia states that there are 15 Garud flights active as of now but anything written in wikipedia should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[sydsnyper]

Well, the examples I saw were different....the disciplinarians would be like... "...they have to be up in the air anyways, where no one need see them... "

Nothing against the air force.... and I have taken this post on a tangent already..

Sir,what is the present strength of the Garud unit??Wikipedia states that there are 15 Garud flights active as of now but anything written in wikipedia should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[abingdonboy]

Wish PARA SF follow the suit, At present the DMR TARs are only equipped with Mars red dot ..

Agreed, you see PARA (SF) with the STAR with bipods but the standard MARS RDS, very odd.

Garud`s primary tasks is to safe guard IAF aircraft and installation against other specialized Raiders ..

They are perhaps only SF, Who are getting customized 4x4 Armored vehicles for such tasks, IAF ordered around 100 number of these and ofcourse under IAF, They will be imported

They also launched the need for new AR besides TAR ..

Force protection of IAF assets is just one of their tasks but they have a lot more in their locker and are capable of performing a whole variety of SF missions. They said themselves that people get it wrong that all they do is guard IAF bases(that is mostly the IAF police's job), they have many other roles especially in war.

 

[blueblood]

No doubt the Garuds are highly trained and will perform well in any task given to them, I don't doubt their training one bit. However the way they carry themselves is something I do question because it isn't in line with how SFs are meant to behave i.e. they are not meant to be standing grinning and posing in selfies, these are meant to be the quiet professionals (a term given to US SF but applied to SFs the world over). The PARA (SF) and MARCOs shy away from all publicity where possible, the Garuds do to an extent but what I see them doing at these Aero India shows is not in line with what they should be doing.

As an elite, no nonsense and deadly force they should present themselves as such.

I know this might not count as an appropriate response but just bear with me.


These guys are USAF TACP, their mission profile overlaps with that of Garuds. Despite the fact that they are goofing off, I know and I assume that people here might agree that they are the best in the business.

So what if they like their hair gelled and like to pose for photographs? They are professionals and when the push comes to shove they will do exactly what they are supposed to do.

As for the Para SF and Marcos scoffing at the Garuds, I don't have a problem with that. They have earned it, keyboards warriors (including me ) haven't.

Green Berets scoffs at SEALs for glory hogging while they do the bulk of Spec ops (read somewhere, ratio is 20:1, IIRC). And don't get me started on Jarhead vs Grunt .

 

[Immanuel]

Garud`s primary tasks is to safe guard IAF aircraft and installation against other specialized Raiders ..

They are perhaps only SF, Who are getting customized 4x4 Armored vehicles for such tasks, IAF ordered around 100 number of these and ofcourse under IAF, They will be imported

They also launched the need for new AR besides TAR ..

You got it completely wrong. Base protection is least of their duties. Their primary role is to be the IAF's force Multipliers i.e. working deep behind enemy lines, they will be the IAF's eyes on the ground, they will help in raids on air fields, control air ground combat, lase targets, disable/destroy enemy air defense installations and radars. Every major and some forward bases now have a small team of 'fresh off training' Garuds meant for quick reaction combat rescue but most of the regular force is geared for combat deep behind enemy lines.

 

[ALBY]

MARCOS in J&K.
#TAR-21,NEGEV &AK103

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Secondary that is, Primary is always are base protection, Where ever the information you got is from free web rumors and assumptions ..

You got it completely wrong. Base protection is least of their duties. Their primary role is to be the IAF's force Multipliers i.e. working deep behind enemy lines, they will be the IAF's eyes on the ground, they will help in raids on air fields, control air ground combat, lase targets, disable/destroy enemy air defense installations and radars. Every major and some forward bases now have a small team of 'fresh off training' Garuds meant for quick reaction combat rescue but most of the regular force is geared for combat deep behind enemy lines.

 

[Shaitan]

 

[ALBY]

 

[Immanuel]

^^^ Again rather silly comments with gutter logic, I have interacted a great deal with IAF commanders and they see the Garud as a SF used for ops behind enemy lines. They are not deployed widely enough across all major bases to be used as a base protection force. In the event of attacks on the base, they can play the part but IAF relies on IAF police for base security. The need for a IAF specific force came about after Kargil where IAF felt the need for specially trained air ground combat controllers.

 

[blueblood]

^^^ Again rather silly comments with gutter logic, I have interacted a great deal with IAF commanders and they see the Garud as a SF used for ops behind enemy lines. They are not deployed widely enough across all major bases to be used as a base protection force. In the event of attacks on the base, they can play the part but IAF relies on IAF police for base security. The need for a IAF specific force came about after Kargil where IAF felt the need for specially trained air ground combat controllers.

Oh yes, IAF is that stupid. They raised a SF to protect bases. Probably the only "special force" whose primary job is asset protection not CSAR, combat control, intelligence gathering or enemy asset destruction. I guess that's why they train and operate in small teams of 4 with members specializing in demolition and other field crafts to sneak in their own damn bases.

So, while rest of the world uses specialized conventional forces for asset protection we don't. :banghead:

Sometimes logic meets a horrible and tragic end on this forum.

 

[cobra commando]

The MASH Heros You've Never Heard Of

Is there anyone, anywhere who hasn't heard of MASH? When its TV run ended in 1983, the final show was the most- watched television episode in history. But there's a remarkable MASH unit hardly anyone here knows of. What a pity. Their raw courage is right out of the most harrowing war movie. Except that the heros in this real- life saga never came within a million miles of Hollywood. They were Indians "¦ as in, India. They were members of the 60th Para Field Ambulance "¦ medics who were also parachutists, who jumped into combat alongside the fighting infantry. These MASH men of the 60th were not the boozy, skirt-chasing, wise- cracking cynics of the TV show. When the Korean War broke out, recently-independent India opted not to send combat forces, but instead would contribute a crack medical team "¦ the 60th Para, which had served in Burma against the Japanese, It was commanded by a veteran, Lieut- Col A.G. Rangaraj, reputedly the first member of the Indian army to earn his parachutists wings, earlier in World War 2. (The photos below are from India's official account of the 60th's Korean War experiences).

60th Para CO, Lt-Col A.G. Rangaraj

The 60th Para arrived in Korea in Nov, 1950, composed of 346 men, including four combat surgeons, two anaesthesiologists and a dentist. When the Chinese swarmed through UN lines in November 1950, the 60th had to evacuate its position. But they had no transport and were reluctant to abandon their medical equipment.


Read more:
https://kapyongkorea.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/the-mash-heros-youve-never-heard-of/

 

[blueblood]

The MASH Heros You've Never Heard Of

Is there anyone, anywhere who hasn't heard of MASH? When its TV run ended in 1983, the final show was the most- watched television episode in history. But there's a remarkable MASH unit hardly anyone here knows of. What a pity. Their raw courage is right out of the most harrowing war movie.

Great find mate. This absolutely superb piece of Indian military history was lost in time. Thanks.

 

[ALBY]

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

For FB profile ? .. ROFL