Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

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MDL is targeting to deliver the first P17A by December 2024, and the fourth P15B around Q2 FY25. Nothing new on P17B as of now, will only take place after all P17A are delivered.

7 years to build a frigate is still a bit disappointing. Hopefully they are delivered quickly after the first one.

We need as many MF-STAR Barak8 ships as possible given the limitations of Fregat with arm launched Shtil combo against modern threats.

 

[standard snowball]

We can have two different types of UVLS systems. One for SAMs and lighter missiles and another for the Brahmos and larger missiles. The Brahmos is so big that it might not fit in a reasonable UVLS anyway even if it was hot launched.

Won't that necessitate another VLS for future hot launched big missiles like AAD, AD-1, Nirbhay, etc.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and simpler to convert 1 missile to have hot launch capability instead of messing up your future missiles and adding 1 more type of VLS

 

[InfiniteSecrets]

7 years to build a frigate is still a bit disappointing. Hopefully they are delivered quickly after the first one.

We need as many MF-STAR Barak8 ships as possible given the limitations of Fregat with arm launched Shtil combo against modern threats.

I may be wrong, but ain't the guys who build the ship and guys who install all then stuff like radars, vls, and other stuff different from each other , then It is wrong to say that MDL is the one responsible for delay in delivery. I was checking the Wikipedia page and found that last ship meant to be built by MDL (INS Mahendragiri) was built in almost a year. It seems like they are for some reason taking a alot of time of install all things on these ships.

 

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Won't that necessitate another VLS for future hot launched big missiles like AAD, AD-1, Nirbhay, etc.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and simpler to convert 1 missile to have hot launch capability instead of messing up your future missiles and adding 1 more type of VLS

The Brahmos is really big and heavy. It weighs 3000kg vs 1500kg for the Nirbhay. I don't think the US or most other navies even have ship launched missiles that heavy.

Perhaps it would be better to just replace the Brahmos with the much lighter Brahmos NG and just have a single UVLS like the MK41. Maybe we could even quad pack the Barak8 given its relatively small size!

 

[Haldilal]

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[Cheran]

Hope the IN has a plan of action for countering naval drones.

Not sure as to what can be done when a ship is faced by several drones.

 

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Do any of you good folks have a 3d render or model of Vishakapatnam class ships

 

[R A Varun]

Why do you even need some 2500ish ton ships for that role. They should have gone something like Korean Navy Youn-Youngha class Patrol ship which costs some 50M$ without Missiles. The koreans built this with exact same threat scenario as ours, i.e a rogue nuclear power state with Missile Boats.
Comparision: Youn-Youngha class vs NGMV(From Wiki)
1. Tonnage: 600 vs 2200
2. Cost : 56M$(Inflation Adjusted) vs 220M$
3. Speed : 44-Knots vs 35-Knots
4. Armament : Provision for 2* Quad SSM/LACM Launcher(Presently 4xAShCM) vs 8xBrahmos
If they want dedicated Missile Boat then 2200 tons is too wasteful. Leave aside 600 tons, just that touted ASWSWC tonnage nearing 900 tons vessel is perfect for that role. You got speed in form of WARP for near 1000 tons which is ideal. If the goal is to have a fleet of distributed arsenal with cooperative engagement capability then you need more than 6. If they had halved budget to 100M$ for each ship then they would have 12 such ships which is think makes more sense.
Or my analysis is wrong that Navy would also use these ships for General purpose role like recent Houthi conflicts where fielding our top tier destroyers too overkill and leave gaps for vulnerability in vital areas.

South korea's area to defend and India's Naval area to defend is way too much, koreans need them to take out North Koreas immedaitely which are at a single refuel place. while Indian scenario, we need ships that need to head from western to eastern theater at the fastest time possible, that requires more fuel storage and sophisticated equipment, these can also be disguised as other similar class ships.

 

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Indian Defence News:Indian Army's New Plan,Saras-MKII Test flight,2000km Submarine launched SLCM

 

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India likely to test indigenously developed Submarine Launched Cruise Missile in March: Know all about it
The Submarine Launched Cruise Missile is considered to be one of the critical weapons of the indigenously manufactured submarines planned to be built by the Indian Navy under Project 75 India.

India is gearing up for significant advancements in its defence capabilities, with plans underway to conduct a test of a 500 Km strike range Submarine Launched Cruise Missile (SLCM) from the eastern coast next month. In addition, the Indian defence forces are poised to receive a substantial upgrade, as the defence ministry is set to review the procurement case for an 800 km strike range land attack cruise missile in an upcoming meeting this week, as per sources privy to the matter.

The Submarine Launched Cruise Missile is planned to be one of the critical weapons of the indigenously manufactured submarines planned to be built by the Indian Navy under Project 75 India, they said. The cruise missiles of the defence forces along with the short and medium-range ballistic missiles are likely to be part of the rocket force planned to be set up in future.

About Submarine Launched Cruise Missile
Submarine Launched Cruise Missile is indigenously developed with two variants. The two variants are the Land Attack Cruise Missile (LACM) and Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM). Technologies like thrust vector control to turn the missile into and onto the target plane, in-flight wing deployment and in-flight engine start have been proven.

A trial of the SLCM was conducted in February 2023 and met all the mission objectives with a range of 402 km. Indian industries Larsen and Toubro, Godrej and Sameer are partners of DRDO in this programme and are likely to help the industry to take part in future missile development projects too.

BrahMos missile
It should be mentioned here that India has supersonic missiles in the form of the BrahMos which has now capability to strike targets beyond 800 km and has achieved success in exports. The subsonic cruise missiles are also expected to be offered to friendly foreign countries after they are fully tested and are inducted in Indian defence forces.

India likely to test indigenously developed Submarine Launched Cruise Missile in March: Know all about it

The Submarine Launched Cruise Missile is considered to be one of the critical weapons of the indigenously manufactured submarines planned to be built by the Indian Navy under Project 75 India.

www.indiatvnews.com

 

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[Aniruddha Mulay]

7 years to build a frigate is still a bit disappointing. Hopefully they are delivered quickly after the first one.

We need as many MF-STAR Barak8 ships as possible given the limitations of Fregat with arm launched Shtil combo against modern threats.

Navy had requested some parameter changes to the Nilgiri class of ships being built by MDL and GRSE which added a 1-2 years to the project timeline.
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[ezsasa]

no official statement and pics yet?
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PNS-Ghazi
Indian Navy’s DSRV Locates Long-Lost Pakistani Submarine Ghazi Off Vizag Coast

Wreckage Of Pakistani Submarine Ghazi Rests In Peace Off Vizag Coast

Indian Navy’s newly acquired underwater search and rescue capability, the Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle (DSRV), recently had a close look over the wreckage of the Pakistani submarine PNS Ghazi near

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Navy had requested some parameter changes to the Nilgiri class of ships being built by MDL and GRSE which added a 1-2 years to the project timeline.
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Any idea on what the changes were? This seems to be a common problems for the Navy to ask for changes in the middle of construction. Why can't they finalize on a design before steel cutting?

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Any idea on what the changes were? This seems to be a common problems for the Navy to ask for changes in the middle of construction. Why can't they finalize on a design before steel cutting?

Don't know exactly, could be VL-SRSAM integration but who knows

 

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