Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[Fatalis]

 

[Fatalis]

Do we have any update on 6 High Speed Landing Crafts for the Indian Navy? The RFI was released way back in 2017.

 

[rohit b3]

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"will be indigenously designed and constructed by HSL"

I want to meet the person who had planted the news of that Turkey thing long back.

 

[Fatalis]

This year as of now, the Indian Navy has signed a total of 4 major naval deals for procuring 25 naval vessels at a total cost of 41,649.09 crore.

1.	Cadet Training Ships	03	₹3,108.09 crore
2.	Next Generation Missile Vessels	06	₹9,805 crore
3.	Next Generation OPVs	11	₹9,781 crore
4.	Fleet Support Ships	05	₹19000 crore

 

[Fatalis]

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By the time all 5 FSS are commissioned, the IN might decommission INS Jyoti and INS Aditya.

 

[Tridev123]

By the time all 5 FSS are commissioned, the IN might decommission INS Jyoti and INS Aditya.

Does HSL have the facilities to construct such a large ship.
At 44,000 tonnes displacement (as per some media reports) it would be as large as the new INS Vikrant. It was commonly believed that Cochin Shipyard was the only one in India that could build a ship of that size.

 

[FactsPlease]

"will be indigenously designed and constructed by HSL"

I want to meet the person who had planted the news of that Turkey thing long back.

RFP for these 5 FSS dated back to 2013 (RFI at 2011).
Navy to acquire five self-propelled Fleet Support Ships | National News - The Hindu

It's a force multiplier like air tanker, or a must to effectively dominate IOR.
Navy has been waiting for a while...

 

[binayak95]

Does HSL have the facilities to construct such a large ship.
At 44,000 tonnes displacement (as per some media reports) it would be as large as the new INS Vikrant. It was commonly believed that Cochin Shipyard was the only one in India that could build a ship of that size.

Aye they do

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Does HSL have the facilities to construct such a large ship.
At 44,000 tonnes displacement (as per some media reports) it would be as large as the new INS Vikrant. It was commonly believed that Cochin Shipyard was the only one in India that could build a ship of that size.

HSL is a massive shipyard with a small order book (up until now), it has a 240×53m building dry dock capable of building vessels of upto 80,000 DWT (largest ship made by CSL is ~93,000 DWT).

They also have a 244×38m repair dry dock (used for repair and outfitting).

HSL also has two 195×28m slipways

The 44,000T figure is from an official press release. It will be the largest ship (by tonnage) made in India for the Indian Navy
(IAC-1 is 42,800T).

Pipavav (pvt) is another massive shipyard and features the largest dry dock in India.

 

[Cheran]

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/features/new-tech-speeds-up-warship-making-538620

New tech speeds up warship making

 

[Fatalis]

As of now, following RFIs have been released by the Indian Navy:

1. High Speed Landing Crafts = 06
2. National Hospital Ship = 01
3. Multi Purpose Vessels = 02
4. Fast Interceptor Craft-I = 120
5. LHD = 04
6. Next Generation Corvettes = 08
7. New Water Jet Fast Attack Craft = 21
8. Technical Support Craft = 01
9. Mine Counter Measure Vessels = 12

 

[Tridev123]

HSL is a massive shipyard with a small order book (up until now), it has a 240×53m building dry dock capable of building vessels of upto 80,000 DWT (largest ship made by CSL is ~93,000 DWT).
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HSL also has two 195×28m slipways

The 44,000T figure is from an official press release. It will be the largest ship (by tonnage) made in India for the Indian Navy
(IAC-1 is 42,800T).

Pipavav (pvt) is another massive shipyard and features the largest dry dock in India.

Well researched and informative post.
Many members might not have been aware of the infrastructure available at HSL.
But am I wrong in getting the impression that HSL is underutilised considering its potential.

A side point. Nowadays any shipyard modernisation is deemed to be incomplete without the use of 1.Goliath Cranes 2.Modular shipbuilding practice.
What is the status of HSL with regard to above mentioned technologies.
Maybe you can highlight the USP of Goliath cranes vs normal Gantry cranes. Are both the same.

I should be surprised if HSL does not get at least one order for building large size LHD/LPD ships for the Indian Navy.

Yeah, Pipavav Shipyard has one of the longest dry dock in the world. Its facilities are rotting and grossly underutilised. Sad development.

A question. Will India and Indian shipyards ever come close to matching Chinese shipbuilding speeds. While maintaining quality standards.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Well researched and informative post.
Many members might not have been aware of the infrastructure available at HSL.
But am I wrong in getting the impression that HSL is underutilised considering its potential.

A side point. Nowadays any shipyard modernisation is deemed to be incomplete without the use of 1.Goliath Cranes 2.Modular shipbuilding practice.
What is the status of HSL with regard to above mentioned technologies.
Maybe you can highlight the USP of Goliath cranes vs normal Gantry cranes. Are both the same.

I should be surprised if HSL does not get at least one order for building large size LHD/LPD ships for the Indian Navy.

Yeah, Pipavav Shipyard has one of the longest dry dock in the world. Its facilities are rotting and grossly underutilised. Sad development.

A question. Will India and Indian shipyards ever come close to matching Chinese shipbuilding speeds. While maintaining quality standards.

Thank you.
You are right to assume that, HSL's total order book was around 1/20th of MDL's order book (until recently).

Status of Goliath crane & modular construction -

HSL released a tender related to the installation of a Goliath crane in 2022. I don't know what happened after that. Every other DPSU shipyard has a Goliath crane.
HSL has taken steps to upgrade its design office & we shall see if the 'mastery' is utilised in building the FSS.

They are the same AFAIK

I'm not sure if the 4 thorough deck LPD order will be divided between shipyards.

Speed while maintaining quality? That is very much possible, but not in the near future, shipyards don't have any incentives to finish the order in a very short time & IN has not asked for something like keel to delivery of combatants in 24-month period.

 

[Fatalis]

Thank you.
You are right to assume that, HSL's total order book was around 1/20th of MDL's order book (until recently).

Status of Goliath crane & modular construction -

HSL released a tender related to the installation of a Goliath crane in 2022. I don't know what happened after that. Every other DPSU shipyard has a Goliath crane.
HSL has taken steps to upgrade its design office & we shall see if the 'mastery' is utilised in building the FSS.

They are the same AFAIK

I'm not sure if the 4 thorough deck LPD order will be divided between shipyards.

Speed while maintaining quality? That is very much possible, but not in the near future, shipyards don't have any incentives to finish the order in a very short time & IN has not asked for something like keel to delivery of combatants in 24-month period.

HSL has also done fair share of wrong on their end. They took so much time for the MLU of the Sindhughosh class sub. They only deployed only 50 person while the requirement was for about 200.

Whatever orders they are getting is through nomination basis so that they can survive. Hope they improve their conditions with this new deal.

 

[Dharani]

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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/features/new-tech-speeds-up-warship-making-538620

New tech speeds up warship making

No joy till we see the 3rd P17A get commissioned. Already 3 years since it was laid down. Shipyards can come in anytime and delay the timeline.

 

[bhramos]

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Unable to find other thread so posting here.

Back when the RN could deploy two carriers without asking other countries for jets or aid.

The BattleMachine.

 

[WolfPack86]

India, France begin talks on Rs 50,000 crore Rafale Marine jets deal
This was the first meeting between Indian and French officials after the clearance of the Rafale Marine deal by the Defence Acquisition Council last month.

India and France have initiated discussions on the Rafale-M fighter aircraft deal, following an announcement by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) last month.

Teams from both countries are in talks to finalise the details of the project, costing over Rs 50,000 crore.

A French team, led by an official from their Directorate General of Armament, visited India last week for discussions with Indian defence officials.

This was the first meeting post the clearance of the deal in the Defence Acquisition Council meeting last month, prior to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to France on July 14.

The Rafale Marine jets will be used by the Indian Navy for defence operations from its aircraft carriers.

The jets will be deployed on the INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya, replacing the currently used MiG-29.


This marks the second purchase of fighter jets from Dassault Aviation by India in recent years.

The Indian Navy, grappling with a shortage of aircraft and submarines, had previously emphasised the urgency of fulfilling its requirements.

The Defense Acquisition Council approved the proposal to acquire 26 Rafale-M fighter aircraft for the Indian Navy, inclusive of 22 single-seated Rafale marine aircraft and four twin-seater trainer versions.

India, France begin talks on Rs 50,000 crore Rafale Marine jets deal

This was the first meeting between Indian and French officials after the clearance of the Rafale Marine deal by the Defence Acquisition Council last month.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Fatalis]

Defence ministry, Hindustan Shipyard Ltd ink Rs 19,000 crore deal for 5 fleet support ships

First vessel to be delivered in four years & rest every 10 months. Their induction will significantly enhance blue water capability of Indian Navy, says MoD.

theprint.in

Sources in the security and defence establishment said the Indian Navy plans to have at least eight fleet support vessels in operations by 2030 to support its extensive deployment.

Currently, India operates four tankers and the nomenclature now used is fleet support ships. The sources told ThePrint that of the four, INS Jyoti — commissioned in 1996 — will be decommissioned later this decade.

The Indian Navy had, in 2013, initiated a move to acquire five new fleet support ships under the category of ‘global buy’ for meeting its expanding responsibilities over the years.

HSL was selected by the Indian Navy for the project under which it was supposed to tie up with an foreign ship maker to design and build the support vessels in India. Turkey’s Anadolu Shipyard emerged as the lowest bidder in 2019 in a tender issued by the HSL.

In total, seven global companies had responded to the Request for Proposal (RFP) which included Italy-based Fincantieri, Spain’s Navantia, Russia’s Rosoboronexport, Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems besides the Turkish shipyard. Given New Delhi’s strained relations with Istanbul, it was the first time that a Turkish shipyard had participated in an Indian defence contract.

Asked about the Turkish shipyard being involved in the project, the defence sources said that this will be indigenously designed and produced. The ship will be designed by the HSL and the Navy’s warship design bureau is not actively involved in the project, they added.

The sources indicated that the Turkish shipyard is not part of the project any longer.