Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[standard snowball]

Would create more delays. Better to buy another Vikrant as it is and wait for the proper design of a bigger IAC-2 with catobar systems.

Quite the contrary Using CAROBAR on IAC 2 seems like a great risk mitigation measure, as we already have a Aircraft carrier design that we can modify and fit those catapults in there without experimenting too much (as rest of the design and propulsion will remain the same) where as in IAC 3 we will need to do everything from the scratch (nuclear propulsion, catapults, carrier design)
we can perfect the CATOBAR tech in IAC 2 giving us enough legroom to experiment with nuclear propulsion and other new technologies in IAC 3.

 

[NutCracker]

Would create more delays. Better to buy another Vikrant as it is and wait for the proper design of a bigger IAC-2 with catobar systems.

Creating another short legged 15B $ Carrier fleet which cannot launch Haweye tier AWACS is not a good move.

 

[Blademaster]

Creating another short legged 15B $ Carrier fleet which cannot launch Haweye tier AWACS is not a good move.

We can remediate that by installing AWACS on a Boeing 777 and have refueling rights in Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines.

 

[Blademaster]

Quite the contrary Using CAROBAR on IAC 2 seems like a great risk mitigation measure, as we already have a Aircraft carrier design that we can modify and fit those catapults in there without experimenting too much (as rest of the design and propulsion will remain the same) where as in IAC 3 we will need to do everything from the scratch (nuclear propulsion, catapults, carrier design)
we can perfect the CATOBAR tech in IAC 2 giving us enough legroom to experiment with nuclear propulsion and other new technologies in IAC 3.

We can't lose the manpower that we paid for in terms of time and training. They will not be around here forever. We must keep them employed so we need to build another Vikrant just to keep those skillset. Once the design with the catapult is finished we can use that to build the 3rd indigenous carrier with the same workforce.

 

[standard snowball]

We can't lose the manpower that we paid for in terms of time and training. They will not be around here forever. We must keep them employed so we need to build another Vikrant just to keep those skillset. Once the design with the catapult is finished we can use that to build the 3rd indigenous carrier with the same workforce.

How hard and time consuming it actually is to build a CATOBAR aircraft carrier out of a STOBAR one.

We have the resources and geopolitical connections to buy the steam catapults from US/France off the shelf, all we need to do is stretch vikrant a bit and make space for fitting those catapults.

(I hope I am getting the technical part right)
Ideally we should have started the work on converting the Vikrant's design into a CATOBAR one by 2020, had our military and political leadership had the foresight and synergy

 

[standard snowball]

We can remediate that by installing AWACS on a Boeing 777 and have refueling rights in Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines.

And spend more resources and political capital in the process, if a delay of few years can give us a CATOBAR carrier then in my opinion that delay is well worth it (given that the skills are not lost before that)

 

[standard snowball]

MoD confirm aircraft carriers may be fitted with catapults

The Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers might be fitted with catapults 'in the coming years'.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Seems like Uk is planning to convert it's STOVL carrier to CATOBAR one if UK can do it in refits why can we do it in the planning stage.
Because the technology and ways to do so clearly seems to exist

 

[abingdonboy]

Prepping For Another India-Made Aircraft Carrier: Navy's Big Announcement

Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar made a big announcement today, that the Navy is looking at a repeat order for an Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) after inducting INS Vikrant and preparing a case for it.

www.ndtv.com

‘Prepping’

god Indian babus and generals use such vague and lame language when it comes to IDDM stuff, when it’s their gold plated toys they have firm timelines ready to share.

‘prepping’ for a sister to Vikrant many years after she’s even left the dockyard,and they call the IN the ‘builder’s navy’? Best case scenario they cut steel on this ship in the next 5 years. It’ll be mid 2030s (almost 25 years since they Began work on IAC-1). Standard Indian military things, everything seems to take 15-25 years at minimum when it comes to IDDM and them

 

[abingdonboy]

Quite the contrary Using CAROBAR on IAC 2 seems like a great risk mitigation measure, as we already have a Aircraft carrier design that we can modify and fit those catapults in there without experimenting too much (as rest of the design and propulsion will remain the same) where as in IAC 3 we will need to do everything from the scratch (nuclear propulsion, catapults, carrier design)
we can perfect the CATOBAR tech in IAC 2 giving us enough legroom to experiment with nuclear propulsion and other new technologies in IAC 3.

A bird in the hand…..

Vikaramaditya is barely operational, Vikrant will be a step up but as with any first of the class series ship she’ll have certain baked in issues. A sister ship will come much faster than IAC-2 or any other fantasy project, CATOBAR adds another layer of complexity and negates Any real advantage to ordering another Vikrant class really. It’s not like India even has the tech ready, it’ll mean going abroad again and going through all the hoops of finding ‘partners’ and creating infrastructure in India

another Vikrant and then move onto 2 IAC-2 at least post 2030 is the most sensible option

without another Vikrant India will struggle to have even 1 CBG at sea come the 2030s when the PLAN will have 5-6+

 

[abingdonboy]

Thank you.
You are right to assume that, HSL's total order book was around 1/20th of MDL's order book (until recently).

Status of Goliath crane & modular construction -

HSL released a tender related to the installation of a Goliath crane in 2022. I don't know what happened after that. Every other DPSU shipyard has a Goliath crane.
HSL has taken steps to upgrade its design office & we shall see if the 'mastery' is utilised in building the FSS.

They are the same AFAIK

I'm not sure if the 4 thorough deck LPD order will be divided between shipyards.

Speed while maintaining quality? That is very much possible, but not in the near future, shipyards don't have any incentives to finish the order in a very short time & IN has not asked for something like keel to delivery of combatants in 24-month period.

LPD/LHD are very much post 2030 fantasies now as are NGF and NGD imo

 

[binayak95]

MoD confirm aircraft carriers may be fitted with catapults

The Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers might be fitted with catapults 'in the coming years'.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Seems like Uk is planning to convert it's STOVL carrier to CATOBAR one if UK can do it in refits why can we do it in the planning stage.
Because the technology and ways to do so clearly seems to exist

those fuckers have plans and plans and narry the pennies to make good on any of em

 

[spacemarine2023]

Prepping For Another India-Made Aircraft Carrier: Navy's Big Announcement

Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar made a big announcement today, that the Navy is looking at a repeat order for an Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) after inducting INS Vikrant and preparing a case for it.

www.ndtv.com

Finally taken good decision but late by 3-4 years.
A clone of IAC would be much easier to build and provide a standard format for Aircraft Carrier operations

 

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[Javelin_Sam]

We can remediate that by installing AWACS on a Boeing 777 and have refueling rights in Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines.

Haha. How simple. Take a 777, screw a radar on top and vroom we go. Even a330 is not coming

 

[abingdonboy]

We can remediate that by installing AWACS on a Boeing 777 and have refueling rights in Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines.

They killed AWACS(I), where does 777 come from?

 

[Blademaster]

They killed AWACS(I), where does 777 come from?

Its the one platform that can provide long range coverage and 24/7 on a continual basis with enough shifts and supplies to fly for 2-3 days while being refueled to keep aloft for 2-3 days until being relieved by another plane.

 

[abingdonboy]

Its the one platform that can provide long range coverage and 24/7 on a continual basis with enough shifts and supplies to fly for 2-3 days while being refueled to keep aloft for 2-3 days until being relieved by another plane.

This isn’t the military fiction thread

 

[omaebakabaka]

This isn’t the military fiction thread

Also in our main areas of operations, we can get by without the awacs part from the carrier for now....close enough for our land bases and we are yet to use awacs properly on land to be honest for the maximum deterrent and better outcomes against opponents for instance post Balakot. Against a capable opponents like US, these will be taken out using long range ones and vice versa....IAC-2 as encore with needed incremental corrections makes sense

 

[Blademaster]

This isn’t the military fiction thread

so what? Many things were fiction until there was a need for it and people acted to fulfill that need. I’m telling you that my idea is a lot cheaper than getting a full carrier with catobar just to get awacs coverage.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

How hard and time consuming it actually is to build a CATOBAR aircraft carrier out of a STOBAR one.

We have the resources and geopolitical connections to buy the steam catapults from US/France off the shelf, all we need to do is stretch vikrant a bit and make space for fitting those catapults.

(I hope I am getting the technical part right)
Ideally we should have started the work on converting the Vikrant's design into a CATOBAR one by 2020, had our military and political leadership had the foresight and synergy

Let’s just say it’s very hard. It’s not easy. Even in Vikrant we made some messy mistakes and now we have to build an second one to get expertise. And with that can build LPD, LHD etc as well. The 4th carrier should be an Catobar and Nuclear one. Now that takes time. In the meantime, DAE can develop reactor, develop Catobar tech, test on land, get TEDBF or even 5th gen Naval fighter ready for that.

Let’s just say the repeat third carrier if ordered in 2025, will only be ready by around 2032-33 timeframe. Catobar will be 2040, considering design changes, vendor sourcement, integration, testing etc. Design itself will take 3-4 years after its sanctioned.