Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[blackleaf]

Any idea on the design of the NGOPVs. Will it be similar to the Saryu class?

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[v952010]

found a old comparison pic what u guys think?

 

[Blademaster]

found a old comparison pic what u guys think?

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They should have made Vikrant a little bit bigger and bit longer and equip it with more powerful engines and bigger lifts and it would have done the trick. Oh well, we will learn through the most expensive way.

 

[Eagle Eye]

They should have made Vikrant a little bit bigger and bit longer and equip it with more powerful engines and bigger lifts

Its designed as air defence ship(around 35,000tn), then to carrier-45,000.

 

[johnj]

Its designed as air defence ship(around 35,000tn), then to carrier-45,000.

air defence ship - like Ticonderoga class ?

 

[Adm Kenobi]

They should have made Vikrant a little bit bigger and bit longer and equip it with more powerful engines and bigger lifts and it would have done the trick. Oh well, we will learn through the most expensive way.

There was no building dry dock (in India) that could assemble an aircraft carrier with a length of >250m at the waterline.

air defence ship - like Ticonderoga class ?

No, like an aircraft carrier. CCS approved an "aircraft carrier" in 1999, named Air Defense Ship, and later changed to IAC-1

 

[gslv markIII]

There was no building dry dock (in India) that could assemble an aircraft carrier with a length of >250m at the waterline.

CSL also used it's relatively larger maintenance dry dock for Vikrant's construction after it's "technical" float out in 2013.

It's the most optimized hull we could build with our capabilities in the early 2000s. Lifts et al are topic for another discussion.

 

[gslv markIII]

air defence ship - like Ticonderoga class ?

The naming was to avoid any opposition from the Air Force.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

There was no building dry dock (in India) that could assemble an aircraft carrier with a length of >250m at the waterline.

No, like an aircraft carrier. CCS approved an "aircraft carrier" in 1999, named Air Defense Ship, and later changed to IAC-1

can u tell us...what exact number of VLS present in vikrant carrier. In past they said that there r 64 numbers of VLS, in new articles they r saying VLS number is near 32. hv u any idea. tell us how much VLS in Vikramaditya also?

 

[flanker99]

can u tell us...what exact number of VLS present in vikrant carrier. In past they said that there r 64 numbers of VLS, in new articles they r saying VLS number is near 32. hv u any idea. tell us how much VLS in Vikramaditya also?

Currently 0 vls in vikrant but space for 32 barak 8 cells ...as for vikramaditya only 24 barak 1

 

[Eagle Eye]

air defence ship - like Ticonderoga class ?

No. The ship is designed for subsonic sea Harrier aircraft,with limited payload-which act as more like a aircover against jets/aircraft.

 

[Shuturmurg]

@Haldilal Is this written by you ?

Do we need NGD? | Defence Matrix

www.thedefencematrix.in

 

[Shuturmurg]

@Haldilal Is this written by you ?

Do we need NGD? | Defence Matrix

www.thedefencematrix.in

Long live billa.

 

[binayak95]

air defence ship - like Ticonderoga class ?

More like the Invincible class through deck cruisers. Basically having an aircraft carrier program means youre being aggressive, and thats a no no for the Indian babudom of the 80s-90s. Thus a stupid name.

 

[binayak95]

The naming was to avoid any opposition from the Air Force.

From the IAS lobby - who still oppose rapid modernisation btw

 

[WolfPack86]

GERMANY EXPECTED TO PRESENT GOVERNMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT PROPOSAL FOR SALE OF SUBMARINES TO INDIA
Germany is soon expected to present a proposal to India for the sale of advanced conventional submarines through the government-to-government route, it is learnt.

The Navy, which is staring at a dwindling sub-surface fleet, is looking to procure six advanced diesel-electric submarines under Project-75I estimated to cost over ₹45,000 crore. The project has been stuck for a while over technical issues.

“A proposal for submarines through the G-to-G route is being prepared and would be presented to the Government of India soon,” diplomatic sources said.

A visit by German Defence Minister to India in the next few months is in the works, officials and diplomatic sources said, during which the proposal could be formally presented.

The issue also came up for discussion during the visit of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in February, officials said.

In January 2020, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) shortlisted Mazgaon Docks Ltd. (MDL) and Larsen & Toubro (L&T) as the Indian partners for the P-75 deal, the first to be processed under the strategic partnership model of the procurement procedure.

The five foreign original equipment manufacturers (OEM) are Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (South Korea), Naval Group (France), Navantia (Spain), Rosoboronexport (Russia) and Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (TKMS, Germany).

The Request For Proposal (RFP) was originally issued in July 2021 to MDL and L&T with 12 weeks to respond and has since been extended several times, the latest being up to August 2023.

The project ran into rough weather, among other issues, over a specification that the submarine on offer should have an operational Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) module with an endurance of two weeks.

The OEMs also raised the issue of unlimited liability on them. Only Germany and South Korea technically meet this criteria, as reported earlier.

The DAC recently clarified a few issues, officials said. However, industry sources said concerns still remain. Recently, TKMS, which was in talks with L&T, decided to partner with MDL, while it is learnt that Daewoo has internal administrative issues, among others. Officials said due to this, it could end up being a single- vendor situation, stalling the entire process.

Officials had stated that once a selection was done, the deal had to be eventually processed through an Inter-Governmental Agreement, given the technical complexities involved.

The Navy has 16 conventional submarines in service — seven Russian Kilo-class submarines, four German-origin HDW submarines and five French Scorpene-class submarines.

The last and sixth Scorpene is expected to join service early next year. With the Kilos and the HDWs ageing, a Medium Refit-cum-Life Certification (MRLC) programme is under way to increase their life, but even that would not arrest the dwindling sub-surface fleet of the Navy.

An AIP module acts as a force multiplier as it enables conventional submarines to remain submerged for a longer duration, thereby increasing their endurance and reducing chances of detection.

An indigenously developed AIP module is set to installed on the Scorpene submarines as they go for refit from 2024 onwards.

Germany Expected To Present Government-To-Government Proposal For Sale of Submarines To India

German HDW Type-214 Submarine The Navy, which is staring at a dwindling sub-surface fleet, is looking to procure six advanced diesel-electri...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[Fatalis]

 

[samsaptaka]

Deal Signing Soon !!!

Soon ! I absolutely loathe this word. Soon can mean another 3 years atleast

 

[samsaptaka]

Is Myanmar building a spy base on Great Coco Island?

New satellite imagery shows mysterious construction on an archipelago close to a strategic Indian navy outpost, write John Pollock and Damien Symon.

www.chathamhouse.org

If true then we are continuing to pay the price for the absolutely zero strategic thinking and vishwaguru shanthi attitudes of past (and present ?) govts. Like Stalin said why is Srilanka still a separate country ? Why Nepal , why Myanmar , why Bangladesh ? All of them selling out to chinkas who keep building military installations near our borders using rented land while we keep twiddling thumbs and play defensive ALL the time. Utterly frustrating and shameful !