Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[flanker99]

View attachment 195372View attachment 195373View attachment 195374

These specs are good enough for opv's..would be nice to see l&t getting that 11 opv order...and god knows what happened to ngmv

 

[Fatalis]

These specs are good enough for opv's..would be nice to see l&t getting that 11 opv order...and god knows what happened to ngmv

NGOPV is going to GSL (7) and GRSE (4).

 

[Fatalis]

With the announcement of who will build CTS, now we are having 4 projects which are still in pre-contract signing phase:

1. HSL Fleet Support Ship = 05
2. CSL Next Generation Missile Vessel = 06
3. GSL and GRSE Next Generation OPV = 11
4. L&T Cadet Training Ship = 03

 

[flanker99]

Ins anvesh

 

[Gyyan]

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

 

[NutCracker]

As the way things are progressing it seems every IN aircraft carrier will have a separate fighter aircraft embarked on it like Mig-29k for INS Vikramaditya, Rafale for IAC-1/2 and TEDBF for IAC-3 (props to such planning and strategy).

It will be, If Vikramaditya survives till IAC-2/3 landing trials.

And that's a big if.

but it's not a big thing to worry considering we operate land variants of Mig29 and Rafale both.

 

[Swesh]

 

[Swesh]

 

[mist_consecutive]

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

What happened here ? Isn't the Navy supposed to clarify which one is the winner ? Some dispute between GoI and Navy ? Perhaps GoI overruled the Navy's decision to choose Rafale-M ?

 

[NutCracker]

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

What happened here ? Isn't the Navy supposed to clarify which one is the winner ? Some dispute between GoI and Navy ? Perhaps GoI overruled the Navy's decision to choose Rafale-M ?

I think it might be opposite..
Navy could be tilted towards US eco-system. But govt doens't want to take the risk.
And govt could also be in search of combined deal for 36+26 Rafale and finish off the decade long MRFA charade.
Admiral might be just laying the base for govt's result favouring Rafale-M.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I think it might be opposite..
Navy could be tilted towards US eco-system. But govt doens't want to take the risk.
And govt could also be in search of combined deal for 36+26 Rafale and finish off the decade long MRFA charade.

The reason I said the Navy preferred Rafale is that the previous news tibit which emerged (report sent by Navy to GoI) clearly stated Rafale as the winner because of long-range Meteor AAM.

French Rafale M edges out American F/A-18 in Indian Navy fighter contest

The Indian Air Force already operates two squadrons of the Rafale fighter, and if the navy also orders the maritime version of the same fighter, there will be commonality of spares and maintenance, said an official

www.hindustantimes.com

Now after that, Navy changes their statement and says we don't know, GoI decides. Probably strong lobbying from USA to buy F-18s in return of (something we don't know?).

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Does our doctrine include something like the Marine Corps? To my understanding the Marine Corps are to be used something like shock troops like the Panzer divisions in WW2 or winged hussars and the like. Does our military actually have something reserved for that role(i.e shock troops)?

IMO, in our case best to have 2-3 army brigades converted to Marine brigades, for beach assault in case of a war in the IOR or incase we want to land behind paki lines after hitting their defensive assets hard. Give them landing crafts, hovercrafts, helis etc.
Let navy have the duty of ferrying them to destination and bombing the shit out of their landing beaches. Anyway we are trying to move to combined arms warfare.

 

[DumbPilot]

IMO, in our case best to have 2-3 army brigades converted to Marine brigades, for beach assault in case of a war in the IOR or incase we want to land behind paki lines after hitting their defensive assets hard. Give them landing crafts, hovercrafts, helis etc.
Let navy have the duty of ferrying them to destination and bombing the shit out of their landing beaches. Anyway we are trying to move to combined arms warfare.

We could make brigades like that, I am seeing lots of problems if the forces can't coordinate in between themselves

 

[Gyyan]

 

[jai jaganath]

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

What happened here ? Isn't the Navy supposed to clarify which one is the winner ? Some dispute between GoI and Navy ? Perhaps GoI overruled the Navy's decision to choose Rafale-M ?

So basically the March end timeline for announcement also gone
Beginning of Navy's mrfa

 

[Jedi Operator]

We could make brigades like that, I am seeing lots of problems if the forces can't coordinate in between themselves

Thankfully, the ANC command looks up to that. But it should be broader than that now

 

[WolfPack86]

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief
Boeing’s F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet and Dassault Aviation’s Rafale M jets meet the requirements of the Navy and a selection between them will be the government’s decision, Navy chief Admiral R. Hari Kumar said on Friday, adding that the Rafale M has commonality with the Air Force in terms of spares and support.

“It will be a decision of the government... Both aircraft are ok. They have proved themselves. Now there will be other issues, like for example, we already have Rafales for the Air Force. There will be commonality of spare parts and support, etc. Each has got its own strengths and weaknesses,” Adm. Kumar said on the sidelines of the Raisina Dialogue. The dialogue, jointly organised by the Observer Research Foundation and the Ministry of External Affairs, concluded on Friday.

An indigenous Twin Engine Deck-Based Fighter (TEDBF) is under development by the Aeronautical Development Agency under the DRDO to operate off the Navy’s aircraft carriers. The 26 jets planned to be procured from abroad will fill the gap in the interim as the existing MiG-29Ks may not last till then. Adm. Kumar said the Navy may get the TEDBF by 2034 or so.

Adm. Kumar was speaking at a session on the “future of warfare” that saw the participation of several chiefs of Navy from other countries. Maritime domain challenges were not just traditional and non-traditional, but also transnational, he stated. While all countries may not agree on some issues, most come together on others as part of issue-based convergence, he said.

Referring to regional groups in the Indo-Pacific, Adm. Kumar said, “When we work in small groups, it serves a lot of purposes, generates a lot of trust among partner countries, builds capacities, increases interoperability and better domain awareness.”

Also on the panel were Gen. Koji Yamazaki, Chief of Staff, Japan Ground Self-Defence Force; Adm. John C. Aquilino, Commander of the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command; Adm. Sir Ben Key, First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff of the U.K. and Vice Adm. Angus Topshee, Commander of Royal Canadian Navy.

Adm. Aquilino said that the benefit of Artificial Intelligence in the short-term is decision-making in real-time. “However, it’s important not to lose sight that the military has a human dimension and interaction as the world moves towards AI and machine learning,” he cautioned.

On similar lines, Adm. Key said that AI could crunch data faster than a human. However, it wasn’t capable of human instinct, intuitiveness and understanding of risk, he noted.

Gen. Yamazaki noted that cyber space and outer space were two important domains of the future. “Japan is working towards building comprehensive defence capabilities to become secure and resilient in this regard,” he said.

Noting that fundamentally naval operations remained the same, Vice Adm. Topshee said that Canada was working with its allies on a range of issues. “The opportunity to interact with other Navies provides us access to various perspectives to formulate a comprehensive way forward,” he added.

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

 

[Gyyan]

India and US likely to collaborate on Desi EMALS & AAG Systems for IAC-III – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

So no Indigenous EMALS?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

India and US likely to collaborate on Desi EMALS & AAG Systems for IAC-III – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

So no Indigenous EMALS?

From my understanding, EMALS is finnicky and costs a lot to test etc.... Best to get tech from US, especially this is more about refining known tech to precise values and not some advanced tech that can be withheld from us later on after giving it.

 

[SKC]

India and US likely to collaborate on Desi EMALS & AAG Systems for IAC-III – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

So no Indigenous EMALS?

Only US has functional EMALS system in the world which they are still perfecting. French use the US supplied system and Chinese are using their inhouse developed EMALS which again could be built on the stealing the secrets from US system.