Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Love Charger]

Do we have a better surface fleet? I say yes. But the strength of VMF lies in detterence. They've got a massive fleet of SSNs, SSBNs and SSGNs to ensure deterrence against larger powers like the USN. VMF is a sub surface naval power.

Ha they be like kriegsmarine of modern era
U-boats left right and centre.

 

[DumbPilot]

Ha they be like kriegsmarine of modern era
U-boats left right and centre.

no bismark though

 

[abingdonboy]

Doesn't matter it's each and every part is Chinese even ip belongs to them especially of all electronics and sensors and important sub systems

Cr@p. They bought the entire design of the shelf

yes they indigenised it but they didn’t have to do the trail and error of validating a design for carrier ops. They used the blueprints they bought/stole off the shelf.

J31 is a different story but it’s not made it to carrier trails as of yet.

this Is one of the very very very few achievements india beat China too. There would be more such achievements if import lovers were not indulged

 

[abingdonboy]

Navy to continue its search for larger aircraft carrier

NEW DELHI: In order to maintain its operational capabilities in future the Indian Navy will continue the study for its third indigenous aircraft carrier which w

www.newindianexpress.com

IAC-2 is a go. But IN should also focus on the LHD program which has been silent for far too long.

LHD without dedicated marine infantry that can be deployed 24/7 to these boats plus significant increase in the helicopter fleet is a complete waste of time.

LHD/LPD are very much 10+ years away now and if needed should be domestic designs- if they can design SSBNs and IAC at home then why not LHD/LPD?

maybe buy 1-2 Mistral off the shelf in 4/5 years so IN has some HADR C&C presence but there’s no pressing need until the marine infantry are there

 

[abingdonboy]

Sooner rather than later IN is going to have to get into the BMD game

@binayak95

 

[ezsasa]

Sooner rather than later IN is going to have to get into the BMD game

@binayak95

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against incoming threats from sea?

 

[johnj]

LHD without dedicated marine infantry that can be deployed 24/7 to these boats plus significant increase in the helicopter fleet is a complete waste of time.

LHD/LPD are very much 10+ years away now and if needed should be domestic designs- if they can design SSBNs and IAC at home then why not LHD/LPD?

maybe buy 1-2 Mistral off the shelf in 4/5 years so IN has some HADR C&C presence but there’s no pressing need until the marine infantry are there

INS Jalashwa (L41) & Indian Navy amphibious vessel acquisition project
Its for dual multipurpose role, mostly for non military role - disaster-response, humanitarian assistance, medical facilities , evacuation of citizens from other countries, not primary for marine infantry, assault missions. Not a top priority.

 

[johnj]

against incoming threats from sea?

Maybe from slbm launched from pak ssbn.lol
IN need ABM & AD capability against hypersonic missiles & HGV in future. There is reports of pak acquiring these tech from chinese against IN CBG. Still a long way to go since currently only USN having/developing such capability. type 55 is a decent design with 2 rf sensors s/m, 1 s/m for ABM & other for antiship missile. USN use AEW for detecting low flying AShM. DEW, railguns are alternatives.

 

[karn]

against incoming threats from sea?

Ive heard it's to counter ballistic missile fire from the Chinese mainland towards the arabian sea. Regardless an sm 3 class missile would go a long way in countering the high altitude mach 5+ missile that the PLAN will start deploying soon ..

 

[johnj]

Ive heard it's to counter ballistic missile fire from the Chinese mainland towards the arabian sea. Regardless an sm 3 class missile would go a long way in countering the high altitude mach 4-5 missile that the PLAN will start deploying soon ..

To defend who ? gulf
Speed is around mach 20~24 for icbm or hypersonic for exo.
For using sm3 class missile IN need SBX-1 or SBIRS like sensors.
Baral 8 capable of intercepting TBM.

 

[karn]

To defend who ? gulf
Speed is around mach 20~24 for icbm or hypersonic for exo.
For using sm3 class missile IN need SBX-1 or SBIRS like sensors.
Baral 8 capable of intercepting TBM.

Ourselves against china.. Against yj 21 class missiles.

 

[jai jaganath]

Cr@p. They bought the entire design of the shelf

yes they indigenised it but they didn’t have to do the trail and error of validating a design for carrier ops. They used the blueprints they bought/stole off the shelf.

J31 is a different story but it’s not made it to carrier trails as of yet.

this Is one of the very very very few achievements india beat China too. There would be more such achievements if import lovers were not indulged

They have the ip and tech
They can built how much ever they want without any third party involvement
Each and every part is indegenized even engine upgrades are going on
They converted it to catapult capable aircraft which they will induct with fujian along with 5th gen fighters
Every single thing goes there is Chinese
Yeah everyone shouts performance but that can made better and they are making it

 

[johnj]

Ourselves against china.. Against yj 21 class missiles.

HE DEW or better interceptor than sm2/sm3/thaad - s500/550 class missile needed

 

[karn]

HE DEW or better interceptor than sm2/sm3/thaad - s500/550 class missile needed

Yes naval AD1 for us. DEW against hypersonics is still far away.

 

[johnj]

Yes naval AD1 for us. DEW against hypersonics is still far away.

Plus 15000t air defence cruiser/destroyer with long range radar & Indian SBX-1 or INS Dhruv or INS Anvesh.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

The US is not a threat to our commerce or territory right now, & if the US is the threat that you are referring to, then who are we "free riding" with?

Anybody who is not us is a potential threat. US can be a threat. India will inevitably disagree with the US and relations will go sour (unless India is willing to be their pet) and India is going to need a Navy that can take on US. USN have the capability and the fact that they have the capability is a problem.

There are only 4 countries with a stronger Navy than India- USN, PLAN, JMSDF, and the VMF respectively, & the latter three don't have enough power projection capabilities to threaten us in IOR right now.
Royal Navy & Marine Nationale are ranked below (poor anti-shipping capability) & aren't a threat.

IOR is not just 200 nautical mile from our shore. It stretches from Indonesia and AUS to Africa. We don't have sustainable combat capability in most of the IOR. Particularly on chockpoints except Malacca.

They depend on (read cooperate with) each other to secure their interests, US-Japan or US-SK relation isn't one way.

They depend on USN. Japan is practically a US colony.

Agreed, but you don't need a world-dominating Navy to secure your interests/territory.

Yet. As India grows Indian interest will grow. A world-dominating Navy is something we should work towards and we should start now since it takes us twice as long to build ships.

Capital budget allocated is 52,804.75cr (FY24) compared to 19,348.16cr in FY18.
From 22.37% of the three services to 35.87%.

It's representative of the shift.
I agree that a lot of work still needs to be done, but ignoring the steps taken in the past few yrs won't give you a clear picture of the future ahead.

Small change is happening but that is most likely just natural growth and not a "Working towards becoming a maritime power" thing. We are still hung up on the border.

Our case is unique and can't be compared to either France or UK. (Current or past)
Our economy won't be stagnating in the foreseeable future like France or UK.
Marine Nationale is currently better off compared to the Royal Navy.

He was comparing the Navies of UK and France at their peak (During colonial times), not today and the comparison is not the Navy itself but the reason why UK had a stronger navy.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Navy should do a repeat order for IAC-2 and maybe join the French program for AC-3. They are designing exactly what IN was asking for.

The PANG is a nuclear carrier

Will the French be willing to cooperate in that tech ? Or will we be allowed to put in our own reactors ? or would we have to redesign this thing for conventional gas turbines ?
Navy hasn't even decided on nuclear propulsion for the 3rd carrier.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

The PANG is a nuclear carrier
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Will the French be willing to cooperate in that tech ? Or will we be allowed to put in our own reactors ? or would we have to redesign this thing for conventional gas turbines ?
Navy hasn't even decided on nuclear propulsion for the 3rd carrier.

In this hypothetical collaboration, we should work on our own reactor in parallel. It will be better even if the French are offering their reactor.

Navy obviously want N-propulsion since they asked for it on IAC-2 so they must be planning N-propulsion on AC-3. I hope it will be nuclear, otherwise we are handicapping ourselves.

 

[v952010]

 

[Blademaster]

Did they replace the troublesome boilers with something better?