Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[binayak95]

ITs true, IAF threw a tantrum and canned it. IN even did a case study of Rafale M and Rafale A to prove its point.

 

[v952010]

 

[Sayman Ame]

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[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The CFD is the big man on the Flight Deck the 2nd Sea Lord of the Flt Deck. The Senior most Aircraft Handler of the Aircraft Carrier Air Dept is called Captain of Flight Deck usually a terror. The 1st Sea Lord is his boss the Flight Deck Officer.

 

[Vamsi]

Just noticed that both the NLCAs have landed on INS Vikrant

twin seater

single seater

 

[jai jaganath]

Just noticed that both the NLCAs have landed of INS Vikrant

twin seater
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single seater
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So NP-1 and NP-2

 

[binayak95]

Ya'll Nibbiars The CFD is the big man on the Flight Deck the 2nd Sea Lord of the Flt Deck. The Senior most Aircraft Handler of the Aircraft Carrier Air Dept is called Captain of Flight Deck usually a terror. The 1st Sea Lord is his boss the Flight Deck Officer.

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And usska baap hai Air Boss. The guy who handles all the flight ops and sorties. Guy is usually a Captain or Commodore. Seats in the Island's top deck.

Can say to CO to turn into the wind at his whim

 

[Fatalis]

 

[thebakofbakchod]

cum missile

 

[Sanglamorre]

Cum missile

 

[WolfPack86]

INDIAN NAVY SHOWS INTEREST IN ACQUIRING BOEING SUPER HORNETS FIGHTER AIRCRAFT
Boeing has submitted details to the Indian Navy for assessment about the Super Hornets fighter aircraft produced by the company, a senior official of the firm has said. Boeing Defence, Space and Security, India business development head, Alain Garcia told PTI the company has handed over the details and the Indian Navy is also interested in acquiring six more P-8 patrol aircraft.

"Right now, we have submitted all of the information to the Indian Navy, for them to make an assessment. We are just ready and waiting for them to make a decision and an announcement to tell us where that stands," Garcia said at the ongoing Aero India-2023.

Regarding P-8 aircraft, Garcia said it has been a great platform for the Indian Navy.

"They have flown the (P-8) aircraft many hours over the years to a point where it's really benefiting their capability and maritime surveillance in patrol and anti-submarine capabilities," he added.

Garcia said along with P-8 aircraft, Boeing can also help with some more Apache helicopters.

He pointed out that the Indian Army has acquired six Apaches, and it is waiting for the first six to be delivered.

"That first one just rolled out of our assembly production line. We build all the Apache fuselages here in India in Hyderabad with joint venture with Tata called Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited (TBAL)," the Boeing official added.

Regarding the call for 'self-reliant India', Garcia said there are a lot of avenues for it. Boeing has the largest facility outside the United States in Bengaluru with over 4,000 engineers, according to him. Apart from Bengaluru, the aviation company has 5,000 more employees in other parts of India.

We are growing our footprint here even more and helping the Indian aerospace industry grow," Garcia said.

Indian Navy Shows Interest In Acquiring Boeing Super Hornets Fighter Aircraft

Boeing order could bring in more investments to India: Ted Colbert, CEO, Boeing Defence, Space & Security Boeing has submitted details to th...

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[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy Greenflags Rafale In Deck Jet Contest
French firm Dassault Aviation is gathering big momentum towards an Indian Navy contract for 26 Rafale-M naval fighters intended for operations off the deck of India’s new aicraft carrier INS Vikrant. Livefist can confirm that the Indian Navy has formally indicated to the Indian Ministry of Defence that the Rafale meets more of its requirements than the only other contender in the fray, Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet. While Indian defence contracting has been notorious for the distance — and pitfalls — between contest win and contract award, top Indian Navy sources said that the Rafale “has this one”.

The Rafale moves into pole position a year after the two competing aircraft went through weeks of field tests at the Indian Navy’s shore-based test facility in Goa. You can read about the Rafale’s trials here and the Super Hornet’s here.

No formal comment was available from either airframer, but officials at both confirmed to Livefist that while there had been no communication from the Indian Navy or MoD yet, they had heard about the development. Formal next steps could happen this year.

A contract award would make the Indian Navy the first export customer of the naval carrier-based Rafale-M, having already exported the air force variant to a slew of countries including Egypt, Qatar, Greece and India. The Indian Air Force’s 36 Rafale jets, populating two squadrons, arrived in India between 2020-2022. The same variant is a contender in the Indian Air Force’s multirole fighter aircraft (MRFA) contest that seeks to buy and build 114 fighters, a replay of the collapsed M-MRCA tender at the tail end of which the Rafale won out against a slew of competitors, including the F/A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-16 Super Viper, Gripen NG and MiG-35. This time the Rafale prospectively goes up against the same stack of jets, with the addition of two — the Russian Su-35 and Boeing’s F-15 Eagle II.

F/A-18 Super Hornet this week at Aero India 2023
In the last two years, Boeing has crafted its India strategy, pointing the F/A-18 towards the Indian Navy and the F-15EX at the Indian Air Force. You can read about that in our detailed piece here and watch our video interaction with the company’s then fighter programs head here:

Indications of the Super Hornet being edged out by the Rafale come after years of headwinds where both competing aircraft have fought to prove compatibility with the Indian Navy’s aircraft carriers. It appears that by the end, the Rafale merely proved to be more compatible than the F/A-18, though the finer details of the analysis are unclear.

INS Vikrant, the Indian Navy’s first indigenously built aircraft carrier, entered service last September and recently began its crucial aviation tests months ahead of schedule with landing/take-off cycles of the homegrown LCA Navy and staple carrier-based fighter MiG-29K. You can read about that milestone here. The Indian Navy formally sidestepped the LCA Navy as a fully operational carrier fighter a few years ago, choosing to task it with tech demonstrator duties towards a purpose-built naval fleet defence fighter. That future product is the TEDBF (twin-engine deck based fighter) which is all set for Cabinet-level project sanction from the Indian government this year. Reports suggest the Indian Navy is looking to support a campaign for 100 of these jets when proven and ready.

If Dassault Aviation manages to close the deal at hand for 26 Rafales, it’ll be a ‘stopgap’ acquisition to give the Indian Navy carrier-based jets to bridge the gap until the TEDBF comes online in the next decade. The first flight of the TEDBF could be as early as 2026 according to reports emerging from the ongoing Aero India show.

The Indian Navy has been clear for years that it doesn’t want more MiG-29K, a jet necessitated by the acquisition of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier (now INS Vikramaditya). Availability, performance and maintenance issues are understood to have variously compelled the Indian Navy to put a hard stop to any further considerations of the type, despite the substantial sunk cost in infrastructure.

In November 2020, a young naval pilot Lt Cdr Nishant Singh perished in a crash involving a twin-seat MiG-29KUB trainer. While the second pilot managed to eject, Nishant wasn’t able to. This year, Nishant was decorated with a posthumous Nao Sena Medal for gallantry. The citation read, “He displayed extraordinary courage and leadership by initiating command ejection at 502 feet AMSL and saving the trainee while losing his life instantaneously as the aircraft crashed into water prior his ejection.”

Indian Navy Greenflags Rafale In Deck Jet Contest - Livefist

French firm Dassault Aviation is gathering big momentum towards an Indian Navy contract for 26 Rafale-M naval fighters intended for operations off the deck of India's new aicraft carrier INS Vikrant. Livefist can confirm that the Indian Navy has formally indicated to the Indian Ministry of...

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[v952010]

 

[WolfPack86]

Adani PLR system delivered 500 Masada pistol to Indian navy

 

[Swesh]

Either we are gonna have big navy or we gonna have two parallel naval defence institutions cost guard is aquisition spree

 

[Johny_Baba]

Either we are gonna have big navy or we gonna have two parallel naval defence institutions cost guard is aquisition spree

why not three naval forces, i mean a dedicated Marine Corps as well

 

[DumbPilot]

why not three naval forces, i mean a dedicated Marine Corps as well

Does our doctrine include something like the Marine Corps? To my understanding the Marine Corps are to be used something like shock troops like the Panzer divisions in WW2 or winged hussars and the like. Does our military actually have something reserved for that role(i.e shock troops)?

 

[Swesh]

Either we are gonna have big navy or we gonna have two parallel naval defence institutions cost guard is aquisition spree

Some miniature version of brahmos for cost guard opv would be good idea

 

[Johny_Baba]

Does our doctrine include something like the Marine Corps? To my understanding the Marine Corps are to be used something like shock troops like the Panzer divisions in WW2 or winged hussars and the like. Does our military actually have something reserved for that role(i.e shock troops)?

we have many amphibious units that serve as coastal infantry like thing, MARCOS is special forces commando unit from this etc - but no dedicated naval infantry units that can conduct invasion through land-sea-air ways

a notable part consisting these amphibious warfare units is from 54th Infantry Regiment of the Army, whose personnel specialise in amphibious warfare but still not a Marine like force i think

i am not sure what is doctrine but as we expand our naval forces we should at least develop these sort of dedicated all-weather, all-terrain naval infantries

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Indian nay could follow three different doctrine in the future.
First one is 'Free Rider' stance, it largely relies on outside powers to secure the sea lines of communication and requires a minimum fleet. This is India's current fleet structure. It doesn't have to capability to deny another great power access to the IOR

Next iteration is 'The constable'. This is largely defensive in nature but asserts regional pre-eminence. Fleet structure with this would be multiple AC's that would enable India to fight a defensive conflict and deny another power competitor access to the IOR if necessary but it doesn't claim hegemonic power over the IOR. Under this fleet structure India would still allow navies like the US to operate in the IOR but would be very of possible rivals like Chinese.

Last one is the 'Strong man fleet'. This is much more aggressive towards outside powers and has the potential to be offensive. This could be a 9-10 carrier fleet and this would provide India with the ability to deny access to IOR as a whole to any other competitor in addition to projecting power into the pacific, Mediterranean and the Atlantic.

India naturally will fall within the free rider and constable range. The strongman fleet is possible given its growing resources. For US national security interests, the development of a strong man navy by India would represent a serious impediment to our own ability to operate. So question becomes what can US do to both ensure that India and US remains strategic partners but also avoid [prevent] the building of the strong man fleet to begin with.

For US its imperative that it maintains access to the IOR and that it keeps India co-operative. To do this, First is arms sales. Maintaining permanent deployment of forces to the IOR and more co-operation joint exercises and joint operations keeps US involved in the day today power structure and operations. If India feels its completely exposed at the sea and feels like its living in a somewhat chaotic environment it may move towards the strong man approach. The best way to keep India co-operative and its navy moderate is to maintain an active presence in the region because once the strong man fleet is built it could change the Indian's intensions. So for US if they are on a free rider or constable fleet structure they would rely on us for a great deal of their security and that's the best way to ensure the strategic partnership and India stays co-operative.