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Hari Sud

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The question was: which strategic weapons did you receive from other nations? None is the correct answer (getting help to build nuclear submarine by Russians is a weakly supported claim). So at some point you have to judge other nations with the same disdain you treat US.

Closed GPS ? Without access to militaryGPS, (which India had none till recent times after signing some agreements) how can you claim it was interrupted? This is another hit job of anti-US forces in India.

What exact conditions are attached with US weapons? Do you know?
‘Your arguments are fools paradise:

1. Without help to miniaturize the atomic reactor there would have been no Arihant or may be five years late.

2. US by denying the GPS access, actually helped Pakistan during Kargil war. Bombing the mountain tops and assessing the damage was three times harder,

3. The weapons locating radar sold in 2001 had a condition that it will be inspected every year and will be brought to suitable location of US choice for inspection, although it was a non strategic weapon.

4. INS Jalshara is a non strategic weapon with too many conditions attached for its operation. Etc. Etc.

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Indian Navy to go for govt-to-govt deal with US or France for fighter planes
New Delhi: The Indian Navy will enter into a government-to-government contract with either the US or French government for the purchase of over two dozen fighter aircraft, top Naval officers said Tuesday.

Sources in the defence and security establishment told ThePrint that the Navy was in the process of expediting a trial report into the operational demonstration by Rafale M of French firm Dassault Aviation and F/A 18 Super Hornet of American company Boeing.

The sources also said that the report should be completed within two months and further clarifications could be sought from the two companies in contention.

Following this, the Navy hopes to move the procurement proposal to the defence ministry by the end of 2022.

“The trials are being done because the Navy requires aircraft which can take off from carriers. The report (trial report) is yet to come in on the operational demonstration. They will expedite the report and we will process it,” Navy Vice Chief Vice Admiral S.N. Ghormade said, while responding to a question during a press conference in the national capital.

He was referring to an operational demonstration carried out by the Rafale M and the Super Hornets showcasing ski-jumps — a crucial take-off capability — from the shore-based test facility at INS Hansa in Goa, to demonstrate its ability to operate from Indian aircraft carriers.

Ghormade also spoke about the government-to-government contract and added that the Navy was seeing how the Indian defence industry ecosystem can benefit from it.

Numbers of aircraft undecided
While the Navy was initially looking at procuring 57 aircraft, the number currently stands at 26.

When asked how many aircraft the Navy was looking at procuring, Ghormade, however, said a final number would be decided in due course.

The Vice Chief also said the Navy was keen on the twin engine deck based fighter (TEDBF) that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on.

The Navy currently operates the Russian MiG 29K aircraft from INS Vikramaditya. A second aircraft carrier will be commissioned by 15 August this year.

Sources explained that the Navy was looking at only a minimum number of foreign aircraft to keep it operationally active while awaiting the delivery of TEDBFs. They also said that there are a lot of operational issues with MiG 29K and since some of them would be decommissioned over the next one decade, new fighters are needed.

‘Decent’ performance by both aircraft
The sources, however, refused to divulge how Rafale and Super Hornets have performed and only said that both aircraft are “decent”. The final report is likely to give more details of both aircraft.

They also said some clarifications would be needed from the companies and only then will the Navy select the fighter plane it wants.

The sources further added that once the proposal is sent to the defence ministry, they will push for faster processing since this is a priority project.

As reported by ThePrint earlier, the Navy is looking at procuring fighters on its own rather than with the Indian Air Force (IAF). In 2020, then Navy chief Admiral Karambir Singh had said that the force was trying to work with the IAF for a possible joint procurement.
 

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Indian Navy to go for govt-to-govt deal with US or France for fighter planes
New Delhi: The Indian Navy will enter into a government-to-government contract with either the US or French government for the purchase of over two dozen fighter aircraft, top Naval officers said Tuesday.

Sources in the defence and security establishment told ThePrint that the Navy was in the process of expediting a trial report into the operational demonstration by Rafale M of French firm Dassault Aviation and F/A 18 Super Hornet of American company Boeing.

The sources also said that the report should be completed within two months and further clarifications could be sought from the two companies in contention.

Following this, the Navy hopes to move the procurement proposal to the defence ministry by the end of 2022.

“The trials are being done because the Navy requires aircraft which can take off from carriers. The report (trial report) is yet to come in on the operational demonstration. They will expedite the report and we will process it,” Navy Vice Chief Vice Admiral S.N. Ghormade said, while responding to a question during a press conference in the national capital.

He was referring to an operational demonstration carried out by the Rafale M and the Super Hornets showcasing ski-jumps — a crucial take-off capability — from the shore-based test facility at INS Hansa in Goa, to demonstrate its ability to operate from Indian aircraft carriers.

Ghormade also spoke about the government-to-government contract and added that the Navy was seeing how the Indian defence industry ecosystem can benefit from it.

Numbers of aircraft undecided
While the Navy was initially looking at procuring 57 aircraft, the number currently stands at 26.

When asked how many aircraft the Navy was looking at procuring, Ghormade, however, said a final number would be decided in due course.

The Vice Chief also said the Navy was keen on the twin engine deck based fighter (TEDBF) that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on.

The Navy currently operates the Russian MiG 29K aircraft from INS Vikramaditya. A second aircraft carrier will be commissioned by 15 August this year.

Sources explained that the Navy was looking at only a minimum number of foreign aircraft to keep it operationally active while awaiting the delivery of TEDBFs. They also said that there are a lot of operational issues with MiG 29K and since some of them would be decommissioned over the next one decade, new fighters are needed.

‘Decent’ performance by both aircraft
The sources, however, refused to divulge how Rafale and Super Hornets have performed and only said that both aircraft are “decent”. The final report is likely to give more details of both aircraft.

They also said some clarifications would be needed from the companies and only then will the Navy select the fighter plane it wants.

The sources further added that once the proposal is sent to the defence ministry, they will push for faster processing since this is a priority project.

As reported by ThePrint earlier, the Navy is looking at procuring fighters on its own rather than with the Indian Air Force (IAF). In 2020, then Navy chief Admiral Karambir Singh had said that the force was trying to work with the IAF for a possible joint procurement.
happy to know that Teddy will survive
 

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TRIALS COMPLETED; NAVY TO PICK BETWEEN FRENCH RAFALE, US'S F-18 FOR AIRCRAFT CARRIER OPS
New Delhi:
The Navy requires fighter jets for its aircraft carrier operations for which it has carried out trials of the French Rafale and American F-18 aircraft.

In a press conference on indigenisation in the Navy, the Navy Vice Chief Admiral SN Ghormade said trials of the American and French aircraft have been done to know their capability for aircraft carrier operations.

"Trials of Rafale and Boeing F-18 have done to prove their capability of operating from aircraft carriers. Our aim is indigenisation. We have a Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) aircraft plan but it will take some time. By the time that indigenous project takes place, we are looking at buying aircraft from foreign sources under Inter-Governmental Agreement," he said.

The Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) is a developmental programme of the Defence Research and Development Organisation and it would be the advanced version of the Naval Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), TEJAS.

The Navy had earlier plans of buying 57 fighters under the plan to buy aircraft from foreign sources but now that requirement has been cut down by more than half.

Answering a query on by when the Navy would be able to make conventional submarines on its own, the Navy Chief said, "We want to encourage indigenisation here. The idea is that we develop some capabilities here and build capabilities for indigenisation for the future."

"We are continuing with Project 75 India," Vice Chief Admiral SN Ghormade said on the current status of Project 75 India.

Indian Navy has plans of building six modern conventional submarines under Project 75 India, a ₹ 60,000 crore project.
 

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I want more P-8I Poseidons. They will greatly enhance the intel capabilities of the IN. And I want GoI to give full speed to acquisition of ISR planes and AWACs to safeguard the airspace between India and China.
But IN interested in MRMR not P8, P8 too expensive to buy and operate, Sea guardian can do the job with less expensive. IN asked for MRMR to replace il 38, and goi brought P8 under trade/foreign relations deal and still IN need those aircraft and P8 can't replace MRMR.
 

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But IN interested in MRMR not P8, P8 too expensive to buy and operate, Sea guardian can do the job with less expensive. IN asked for MRMR to replace il 38, and goi brought P8 under trade/foreign relations deal and still IN need those aircraft and P8 can't replace MRMR.
Penny wise pound foolish. MRMR cannot replace P8's capabilities on a one to one basis.
 

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vice versa. Also IN don't need 11 nuclear carrier, different navies different requirement.
No but the P-8I gives IN a longer reach and deeper look into the enemy's airspace and seaspace and provide IN a bigger holistic picture, not to mention the offensive capabilities of launching harpoons from a long standoff attack range. It alleviate IN's shortcomings with the number of ships vis a vis PLAN.
 

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No but the P-8I gives IN a longer reach and deeper look into the enemy's airspace and seaspace and provide IN a bigger holistic picture, not to mention the offensive capabilities of launching harpoons from a long standoff attack range. It alleviate IN's shortcomings with the number of ships vis a vis PLAN.
Humans are a limiting factor for any ISR platform .. a crew cannot work for more than 8 hours effectively regardless of the actual loitering time of the platform.
 

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