Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Super Flanker]

Surely pantsir m is a good one but I have no knowledge were it's being deployed
Basically it was designed to replace kastan but after it failed Indian army trials and I may be wrong about Pantsir m being deployed
But anyways a modernized kashtan(majorly changes in radar and missile) a good option with Indian collaboration
Anyway complete Indian design would be best but still it's on establishment to invest in this tech which is not so important

Oh okay

 

[Lonewolf]

What about Naval Pantsir? In this case Pantsir-M which is a Russian jamming-resistant naval close-in weapon system (CIWS)?
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What do you say? Kashtan, pantsir, anything will do but we need to replace those AK-630s on our ships anyhow.

U know the difference between missile and ciws gun ?

 

[Super Flanker]

U know the difference between missile and ciws gun ?

I didn't understand what you are trying to say. Isn't Pantsir Pantsir-M a Naval CIWS also? It also has got Guns on it. Pantsir Pantsir-M has:
Main armament :Hermes-K missiles and 57E6 missiles.
Secondary armament :Two 30×165mm AO-18KD so it's good. It's basically like a CIWS with not just guns but also Missiles at the same time also.

 

[Lonewolf]

I didn't understand what you are trying to say. Isn't Pantsir Pantsir-M a Naval CIWS also? It also has got Guns on it. Pantsir Pantsir-M has:
Main armament :Hermes-K missiles and 57E6 missiles.
Secondary armament :Two 30×165mm AO-18KD so it's good. It's basically like a CIWS with not just guns but also Missiles at the same time also.View attachment 130363

Not a good design tbh

 

[Super Flanker]

Not a good design tbh

Not a good design? How is it not a good design? It's seems to be fine to me. Anyways I just said that buy anything, be it Pantsir-M, Kashtan etc but just decide a Replacement for those AK-630s because we can't keep using Them on our warships in the future.

 

[Dharani]

A very big problem lies with Indian Navy
They take so much time for giving orders that the infra built for predecessors goes useless
As a result construction takes time, cost increases, some techs go outdated
These things needs to be taken care but as a typical Indian armed forces branch "never learn for past"
We did this mistake in sishumar class and kalvari class again being repeated incase of p-18, ssk(p-75i), iac-2, other projects
These problems were solved by PLAN so result is before everyone
Timely orders play a crucial role

No doubt, the entire process needs to be re-imagined, not just the production time.

 

[Lonewolf]

Not a good design? How is it not a good design? It's seems to be fine to me. Anyways I just said that buy anything, be it Pantsir Pantsir-M, Kashtan etc but decide a Replacement for those AK-630s because we can't keep using Them on our warships in the future.

What's wrong with ak 630

 

[Super Flanker]

What's wrong with ak 630

Okay let's see. I guess for now AK630 is good enough. I guess I was Confusing RBU in this Argument the whole Time. But I still think that AK-630 should be replaced by 2030 at most. Whatever it is we just need something which can replace those AK-630 by 2030. Some options are Kashtan, Pantsir-M, AK-630M-2 etc.

(Picture of AK-630M-2)

(Picture of Pantsir-M)

 

[Lonewolf]

Okay let's see. I guess for now AK630 is good enough. I guess I was Confusing RBU in this Argument the whole Time. But I still think that AK-630 should be replaced by 2030 at most. Whatever it is we just need something which can replace those AK-630 by 2030. Some options are Kashtan, Pantsir Pantsir-M, AK-630M-2 etc.
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(Picture of AK-630M-2)
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(Picture of Pantsir-M)

Except stealth cladding , ak 630 is good , and 2030 is a long time frame .

It already have 6 barrel , we can develop 10 barrel design later .

What we need is RIM type launcher , which will come from MANPADs program .

And don't need to suck on ruskies for everything .

U need to read more here

 

[India Super Power]

Except stealth cladding , ak 630 is good , and 2030 is a long time frame .

It already have 6 barrel , we can develop 10 barrel design later .

What we need is RIM type launcher , which will come from MANPADs program .

And don't need to suck on ruskies for everything .

U need to read more here

That's what I said Indian design is best suitable but it's on establishment to invest in not so important tech

 

[Lonewolf]

Something i observed about rumoured ngmv design by csl .

similar arrangements for inclined launcher and SAM launcher ,so most probably some interns copied a existing design to showcase as a representative image

Same radar arrangements ,even though we won't use that radar as it's a old tech

ak230 , really ? Who uses ak 630 in a all new vessel

Totally same helipad arrangements , same position of brahmos .

It looks like repackaged rajput class .

So no this isn't the design of cal ngmv and we may see it in def expo 22

 

[Lonewolf]

Stealth cladding? When you mentioned the term 'stealth cladding' Do you mean to say something like this, basically housing the CIWS in a stealthy covering:
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I know that AK-630 have 6 barrels in it but do you really think that we will develop something like this? I mean we could just keep importing these type of Weopons because I don't think so it is important to develop a minor thing Such as a CIW inhouse. It's a small tech and I don't know if it's good to invest in it. But still Possibility remains thay we might Develop our own CIWS.

You mentioned the term RIM launcher, do you mean to say meant to say something like this? I guess you did(Just make a naval derivative of MANPADS and there you go, a RIM launcher!)
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I never said we need to be dependent on the Russians for everything. You got me wrong.

Ok.

Why do you repeat everything in the post you quote , nobody asks for photos , we know what time launcher is ,and i myself said that MANPADs can be converted for such role so why write it again like u explained it to me .

U need to start behaving ,no need to elaborate same thing in detail ,this isn't your board exam .

I will report your above post

 

[Lonewolf]

Sorry. You many repeat that post of mine Not that Exactly. I asked you what is Stealth cladding? I didn't understand what it is. Only Explain this to me.

Can u Google things , and if you google searched ,u would have came to same result ,and isn't it a common sense what does stealth means and what does a cladding means

 

[Super Flanker]

Can u Google things , and if you google searched ,u would have came to same result ,and isn't it a common sense what does stealth means and what does a cladding means

Oh so thats the case? Sorry because This is the first time I had come across this term 'Cladding' so that's Why I was confused. Thanks again for the information.

 

[FactsPlease]

Except stealth cladding , ak 630 is good , and 2030 is a long time frame .

It already have 6 barrel , we can develop 10 barrel design later .

What we need is RIM type launcher , which will come from MANPADs program .

And don't need to suck on ruskies for everything .

U need to read more here

Need at least AK630-M12, 10,000 rounds per min, to intercept supersonic cruise (3~4 mach) missile, I believe - if rumour that Pakistan got CM302/YJ-12 on its new frigate is credible.
Russia is still using AK630 on new launched ships as late as 2019 (project 20385).

 

[Lonewolf]

Need at least AK630-M12, 10,000 rounds per min, to intercept supersonic cruise (3~4 mach) missile, I believe - if rumour that Pakistan got CM302/YJ-12 on its new frigate is credible.
Russia is still using AK630 on new launched ships as late as 2019 (project 20385).

Barak 8 will take care

 

[Super Flanker]

Need at least AK630-M12, 10,000 rounds per min, to intercept supersonic cruise (3~4 mach) missile, I believe - if rumour that Pakistan got CM302/YJ-12 on its new frigate is credible.
Russia is still using AK630 on new launched ships as late as 2019 (project 20385).

What is AK-630 M12? Is it some new version of the AK-630? Because I have searched on the Internet and have not found anything with regards to AK-630 M12. If you have sources with regards to it than share here. Or Did you mean to say Ak-630 M2?

 

[FactsPlease]

Barak 8 will take care

How about minimum effective intercept of Barak 8? 500m?

 

[FactsPlease]

What is AK-630 M12? Is it some new version of the AK-630? Because I have searched on the Internet and have not found anything with regards to AK-630 M12. If you have sources with regards to it than share here. Or Did you mean to say Ak-630 M2?
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My bad - I'm NOT that good in Russian:

30 мм установка АК-630М1-2 / АК-630М-2 | MilitaryRussia.Ru — отечественная военная техника (после 1945г.)

Сборник справочной информации по отечественным системам вооружений выпуска после 1945 г., форум

web.archive.org

 

[Super Flanker]

My bad - I'm NOT that good in Russian:

30 мм установка АК-630М1-2 / АК-630М-2 | MilitaryRussia.Ru — отечественная военная техника (после 1945г.)

Сборник справочной информации по отечественным системам вооружений выпуска после 1945 г., форум

web.archive.org

No problem but AK-630M2 is nothing but a double gun AK-630 and nothing else. Rate of Fire of AK-630 is 5000 per minute and AK-630 M-2 which is basically twin Barrel AK-630 will be able to fire 5000 × 2 Which is 10000 per minute. So AK-630 M2 is not having some huge technical superiority over AK-630 except for being a double gun AK-630 and having some amount of Stealth Cladding (Basically Stealthy covering of the CIWS)

(Front view of AK-630M2 Barrel)

(Front view of AK-630 Barrel)

Ahhh. Just stupid Russian marketing and nothing else and trying to make a fool out of others. We should not buy this at all.