Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Arihant Roy]

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[Arihant Roy]

She's a majestic looking ship.

The gearbox has been installed.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

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Figure it out yourself .

 

[Bleh]

Guys if INS Vikrant (R11) can be converted from CATOBAR to STOBAR, can STOBAR type be converted to CATOBAR or is it impossible??

Can't we build another ship like VIKRANT (IAC 1) and make it STOBAR like Chrles De Gaulle?

CATOBAR can be made STOBAR easily, you simply reshape the launching end & create a sky-jump.

But converying STOBAR to CATOBAR is very hard, as EMALS needs a lot of machinery & power, for which space needs to be made available... inside the body of the ship!

 

[Mikesingh]

They did not leave their Man behind.. and today brothers brought him home!

After extensive Search & Rescue efforts for 11 days, engaging 9 warships & 14 aircraft, aerial & underwater searches, they found Cdr Nishant buried at sea.. and today brothers brought him home to his family, friends, and squadron.

The mortal remains of Cdr Nishant Singh were laid to rest with full military honours at Goa today. His wife, Mrs Nayaab Randhawa received the tricolor and her husband’s uniform from the Commanding Officer of the squadron.

The son of a naval officer, Commander Nishant was a qualified flying instructor adept on Kiran, Hawk, and Mig-29K. The officer was also a qualified mountaineer as well as a skilled yachtsman. Indian Navy lost one of its most accomplished aviators in Cdr Nishant as he had also advanced strike training with the US Navy. Newly promoted, newly married, destined for greater things.. all cut short far too soon!

Om Shanti! Fair winds and following seas! Travel well, brother!!

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Sometimes i think our navy was better equipped in the past..

 

[aditya g]

Sometimes i think our navy was better equipped in the past..

You are not far off. The Navy of the late 80s early 90s was of a different level altogether.



Aside from technology and size, the navy had rich operational experience in Sri Lanka, Maldives and Somalia.

The officer cadre was dominated by those who had fought and won the 71 war. For example Admiral Prakash was CO of INS Vindhyagiri just before Op Pawan started, where he supported covert diver ops by Foxtrot submarines in Sri Lanka, Adm Madhvendra was CO of INS Viraat for Operation Jupiter.

 

[Illusive]

Again the upward trend is coming with SSBN's SSN's, conventional subs, another carrier, ocean survey ships, host of destroyers, frigates, p8i's, new missiles and so much more.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy Leasing (15 to 18) FA18 Super Hornet

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

This is most probably fake news or a marketing pitch. The F-18 cannot be accommodated in the aircraft lifts of INS Vikramaditya or IAC-1. Nor is it STOBAR certified. The Vikki and IAC-1 cannot be accommodate anything bigger than a Mig 29K.
Also, the Navy does not have the budget and government nod for having shore based fighter planes.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy to lease F18 Super Hornet from the US
As per several sources, The Indian Navy in an advanced stage of negotiations to take one squadron strength of American-made F-18 jets. Under the newly introduced Defense ministry leasing guidelines, the Indian Navy is looking to lease several platforms. Including, light utility helicopters for its logistical needs among others. The Navy is looking to fill vital gaps in the frontline warships by urgently leasing 12-18 helicopters from foreign vendors.

Amid the ongoing border row between India and China, last month Navy leased two Sea Guardian drones from the American giant General Atomics for intelligence gathering, surveillance, and reconnaissance over the Indian Ocean. A possible lease of 15-18 units of FA-18 Block III or one squadron multirole fighter jets is under advanced stages of negotiation. Could be operated from the Indian Aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and under trails INS Vikrant IAC. Though there are no official confirmations, there are no smokes without fire.

Boeing has been flying a F/A-18E/F Super Hornet off a ground-based ski jump at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland. This is part of a demonstration effort for the Indian Navy to show that the aircraft can operate from short take-off but arrested recovery configured (STOBAR) aircraft carriers, such as the INS Vikramaditya and the future INS Vikrant.

F-18 ski-jump demonstration program
An Indian defense analyst who goes by the Twitter handle @hukum2082 was first to reveal this flight testing, which was then picked up by another Indian analyst, Saurabh Joshi, in another series of tweets, on Aug. 19, 2020. The Chicago-headquartered plane maker subsequently confirmed that this ski jump demonstration program is presently taking place at Patuxent River, though it is not clear when exactly it began. The naval air station has a ground-based ski jump that it used during testing of the short and vertical takeoff and landing capable F-35B variant of the Joint Strike Fighter.

Twitter handle user @hukum2082 now claims that the Indian Navy in an advanced stage of procuring Boeing,s F-18 Block III. “Boeing and the U.S. Navy are in the beginning phases of operating a F/A-18 Super Hornet from a ski jump at Naval Air Station Patuxent River to demonstrate it is STOBAR compliant for the Indian Navy,” Justin Gibson, a Boeing spokesperson, told The War Zone. “Boeing completed the extensive analysis and more than 150 flight simulations on F/A-18 compatibility with Indian aircraft carriers, and while our assessment has shown the Block III Super Hornet is very capable of launching off a ski jump, this is the next step in demonstrating that capability. More details will be released upon the conclusion of the test demonstration.”

McDonnell Douglas F18 Legacy
McDonnell Douglas, which developed the original F/A-18 Hornet and was subsequently acquired by Boeing. Had also previously conducted ski jump tests with that aircraft at the tail end of the Cold War. That testing showed that with as little as a nine-degree incline, the total required takeoff roll for the Hornet could be cut in half, though it’s unclear what the jet’s gross weight had to be to achieve this performance. Ski jumps generally increase the takeoff performance of combat jets in the absence of catapults and also provide an added margin of safety.

The Mighty F18
The F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet is the world’s most lethal, advanced, combat-proven, multi-role frontline fighter-jet.

The Block III version which is currently being manufactured for the United States Navy will enable the Indian armed forces to challenge the next generation of adversaries. It can perform virtually every mission in the tactical spectrum including air superiority, day/night strike with precision-guided weapons, fighter escort, close air support, suppression of enemy air defense, maritime strike, reconnaissance, forward air control and buddy refueling.

Significant technology insertions in the form of advanced cockpit, new computing & advanced data link, conformal fuel tanks, increase airframe life, and ability to carry a wide variety of weapons makes F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet most lethal platform for Air Force and Navies of the world.

More than 700 F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets are in operation today. F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet will offer superior economics to the Indian armed forces in the form of low cost of acquisition, operations, and high mission readiness.

Key Features

• Multi-role Superiority
  Capable of tactical strikes, air reconnaissance, air defense, and maritime roles
• Cutting-edge Technologies
  Enhanced computing and data link, advanced cockpit system, signature improvements
• Lifecycle Affordability
  Lowest cost per flight hour among all U.S. tactical fighter in production. High mission capability rates
• Future Ready
  Unrivaled growth potential to complement future air wing capabilities

Indian Navy to lease F18 Super Hornet from the US - IFE News Network

The Block III version which is currently being manufactured for the United States Navy will enable the Indian armed forces to challe..

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[WolfPack86]

Negotiation in advance stage to lease 15-18 F/A-18 aircrafts for Indian Navy: Reports
As per a new report, Indian Navy is under advance stages of negotiation to lease 15-18 units of F/A-18 Super Hornet Block III from the United States.

A reputed OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) handle @hukum2082 confirmed that Indian Navy is in process to lease F/A-18 from US.

Boeing already proved Super Hornet capability to launch from Ski Jump carrier, there will be no issue for Indian Navy to launch F/A-18 from INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant.

Currently Indian Navy has around 41- 42 Russian MiG-29k carrier based fighter aircraft operating from INS Vikramaditya and INS Hansa at Goa.

As Navy second aircraft carrier INS Vikrant has completed its Basin Trials and expected to Induct into the service of Indian Navy by 2022, two squadron of MiG-29K is not enough to operate from both aircraft carrier, especially when MiG-29K has a service availability of only around 50 percent.

IAC-1 INS Vikrant will Induct by 2022 and by mid 2023 or in 2024 Vikrant will become fully operational in Indian Navy, absence of an air wing or operating 18-21 MiG-29K with just 50 percent availability will restrict the operational capability of Vikrant.

Even if Navy pursue to procure 36-57 Rafale-M or F/A-18 aircrafts it will take at least 2-3 years from now to formally sign the deal.

From the date of order, it will take at least 24 to 36 months to receive first aircraft, which means Indian Navy will receive its first aircraft by 2025-26 earliest. This means Vikrant will have to operate without any proper air wing for at least 4 years. By 2026 if we don’t add any delays in acquisition process.

If the report is true, leasing 15-18 F/A-18 Super Hornet aircrafts for Navy can fill the urgent requirement of fixed wing aircraft in Indian Navy in a very short period of time.


Another reason behind navy looking to lease F/A-18 is budget constraints. Indian Navy is going to invest Rs 45,000-50,000 crore in Project P75I to built 6 conventional submarines, Rs 1,20,000 crore in 6 Nuclear power attack submarines and almost around Rs 42,000-50,000 crore in third CATOBAR aircraft carrier INS Vishal.

Considering the amount Indian Navy will invest in next 10 years, purchasing 36-57 deck based aircraft don’t seem very rational, especially when India is already working on TEDBF (Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter) project for Navy, which will be ready to induct into the service by 2030.

As TEDBF is a indigenous project, it will meet each and every requirement of Indian Navy.

It will be very interesting to see that for how much time Navy will lease these aircrafts, what the weapon package will navy choose and will indigenous armaments like Astra integrate with the aircraft ?

Just in last month, Navy leased 2 MQ-9B high altitude long endurance drone from United States to meet urgent requirements for 2 year, plan to lease Naval Utility Helicopter is also in the pipeline by Indian Navy.


Meanwhile, it will be very interesting to see, how Indian Navy will proceed, will navy acquire new or lease old aircrafts ?

Indian Air Force is also planning to lease Aerial Refueller aircraft and additional AEW&CS (Airborne Early Warning) systems to fill urgent requirements.

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[WolfPack86]

Carrier Or Submarine For Navy? Being Examined, Says General Bipin Rawat
A state-of-the-art guided missile stealth frigate was launched in Kolkata today and will soon join the fleet of Indian Navy. Called Himgiri, this is the first of the three Stealth Frigates ordered in 2015 at the cost of ₹ 19,293 crore. The frigate was launched two months ahead of schedule, said shipbuilder GRSE, by Madhulika Rawat, wife of the Chief of Defence Staff, General Bipin Rawat.

"Himgiri will provide a major boost to Indian Navy's defence preparedness," General Rawat said, congratulating GRSE and the Indian Navy for achieving this "milestone despite adverse effects of the Covid pandemic".
Speaking to the media after the launch, General Rawat spoke on a debate over what the Navy needs more -- aircraft carriers or submarines.

"Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Submarines have their separate place in the naval warfare and so does an aircraft carrier. I am in no way saying the Navy does not need its Air wing. Yes it needs an Air wing. But how to manage it and how to ensure the security and sanctity of our sea lines of communication we are thinking about," he said.


General Rawat indicated a probable alternative to an aircraft carrier.

"I think you also need to look at our Island territories that we have in large numbers. If we can leverage our Island territories to our advantage, then we can balance out... this can be used as territories to launch naval strike aircraft or do we need an aircraft carrier. Once we have studied all that in detail we will take a call," he said.

The Stealth Frigate Himgiri is 149 m long, with a displacement of approximately 6,670 tonnes and has an advanced CODOG Propulsion system enabling speed of over 28 knots.

"These complex weapon platforms are equipped with a powerful weapon & sensor package capable of neutralising threats in all three dimensions, Air, Surface & Sub-surface," a GRSE statement said.

An Italian company, Fincantieri, is the knowhow provider for technology upgrade for the project.

For GRSE, the frigate is a prestige project and one of the biggest orders it has ever got from the Defence Minister. GRSE is also currently executing two more major projects of Indian Navy – the construction of four Survey Vessel Large ships and eight ASW SWC ships.

Speaking at the launch, CMD Rear Admiral VK Saxena (Retired) said GRSE has delivered 105 warships so far. It has orders for 15 warships for the Navy to be delivered by 2027.

Other military brass present at the launch included Eastern Naval Command Commander-in-Chief Vice Admiral AK Jain and Army Commander, Eastern Command Lieutenant-General Anil Chouhan.

Carrier Or Submarine For Navy? Being Examined, Says General Bipin Rawat

A state-of-the-art guided missile stealth frigate was launched in Kolkata today and will soon join the fleet of Indian Navy. Called Himgiri, this is the first of the three Stealth Frigates ordered in 2015 at the cost of ₹ 19,293 crore. The frigate was launched two months ahead of schedule, said...

www.defencenews.in

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

Last minute bid to save Viraat: Now, Maharashtra government offers to preserve India’s first aircraft carrier

‘We as a nation must use our decommissioned naval ships to help citizens to better understand the significance of India’s maritime history’, Shiv Sena MP Priyanka Chaturvedi wrote to Defence Minister

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[WolfPack86]

Navy and Air Force might have agreed to commit 150 jets – Indian Defence Research Wing
Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has been given go head by the Ministry of Defence (MOD) to start work on New Twin Engined Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) jet as per latest media reports and as per information provided to idrw.org, Senior officials from both Indian Air Force (IAF) and Indian Navy (IN) were present at the meeting and both have agreed to commit 150 jets jointly before the MOD agreed to give Go head clearance for the New ADA project.

While actual numbers of a jet produced might vary since the jet in question is at least 10 years away from entering production. MOD needed a number before another fighter jet program could have got a clearance and as per information provided to idrw.org, the Navy has agreed to procure a minimum of 100 jets for its Carrier-based operations and IAF is willing to commit to procuring 50 jets if the jet meets its Operational requirements.

Navy and ADA will head the TEDBF program and most of the orders will come from the Navy, while IAF will be back seat driver in the program. Navy has decided that it now abandon its plans to acquire 57 new carrier-based fighter jets from foreign vendors and instead will buy TEDBF when it’s ready for production from 2030 onwards. IN also plans to replace its current Mig-29k fleet with TEDBF from 2035-40 onwards.

IAF version of TEDBF called Omni Role Combat Aircraft (ORCA), will be the same aircraft minus TEDBF’s landing gears, Tailhook, foldable wings some Navy instruments, and electronics. ORCA will also be lighter by 1.5tonnes due to lighter mid and rear fuselage section but there won’t be any major design changes in IAF’s version but it will be identical in terms of design, features, and performance if the project gets a go-head by IAF. The development of ORCA might not be done parallelly but only once TEDBF Prototype is available for testing and evaluation purposes for IAF.

IAF has given fully backing Tejas Mk2 and AMCA program and already has committed to procure 100 aircraft types each. Initially, IAF had agreed to procure 200 Tejas Mk2 jet but later curtailed it to 100 jets, which many see was possibly done to make room for ORCA in near future But people close to idrw.org believe that ultimately it will come down to Operational capabilities and cost at the end since both Tejas Mk2 and ORCA will have same avionics, Radar, electronics and engines, it will depend on which of the two will emerge as better aircraft at the end because Tejas Mk2 won’t enter production till 2028 and TEDBF will be ready in 2026, IAF will be a good position to decide on procurement of ORCA by then or continue procurement of Tejas Mk2 beyond 100 jets which already has been committed.

Navy and Air Force might have agreed to commit 150 jets – Indian Defence Research Wing - Whats the Buzz

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

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[sorcerer]

Indian Navy to acquire 38 extended range BrahMos missiles for new warships soon | India News - Times of India

Indian Navy to acquire 38 extended range BrahMos missiles for new warships soon | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: In a bid to enhance the firepower of its warships, the Indian Navy has moved a proposal to acquire 38 extended range BrahMos supersonic cru.

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[sorcerer]

Here’s The Photo Of An F/A-18E Super Hornet Launching From A Ski Jump During Indian Navy Demo Earlier This Year

Here's The Photo Of An F/A-18E Super Hornet Launching From A Ski Jump During Indian Navy Demo Earlier This Year

An F/A-18E Super Hornet completed the launch from a ski jump ramp during a demo at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. Here's the first image.

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Noooo...nothing american..especially the jets