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Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines news

domain-b.com : Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines

02 November 2009

New Delhi: The Indian Navy is planning to procure five midget submarines for its Marine Commandos (MARCOS) component. The midgets will strengthen the MARCOS ability to carry out special underwater operations in high seas.

Weighing less than 150 tonnes the submarines are classified as midgets and are used by navies to carry out underwater covert operations and surveillance missions.

According to defence ministry sources, the Indian Navy has already initiated the process of procuring these vessels.

With capacity of carrying four to six personnel on board, the submarines would have a diving depth of around 400 metres.

The midgets will have the capability of carrying out both manned and unmanned operations and will be equipped with a host of weapons including torpedoes.

The Indian Navy currently maintains a fleet of diesel-electric submarines. It has also signed a deal for six Scorpene submarines which will begin joining the Indian Navy from 2012 onwards.

The first of the country's indigenously designed and built nuclear-powered submarines of the Arihant class are expected to be commissioned starting 2011.

India will also induct a Russian Akula-II class nuclear attack submarine on lease sometime in the second quarter of 2010. It is conjectured that India may have struck deal for the supply of two of these submarines for an amount of $2 billion. At the end of the lease period India retains an option to buy them

 

[sandeepdg]

Same point like many. Where is the Air-Wing? 11 nos not enough at all. They are not sufficient enough to protect battle group from a massive air raid. I think IN needs to lease AV jumping jets from USMC.

I suppose that is not in the current interests of IN. They are just keeping their fingers crossed for the Vikramaditya and the IAC. Since they will be operating the Mig 29Ks and the naval LCA, which are far superior to the AV-8B Harrier, its not their mind as of now. Also, as the Viraat is supposed to retire by the time these 2 ships become operational, Harriers will also be retired.

 

[sandeepdg]

Hi,

It seems the cannisterised Brahmos capable of launching vertically from underwater is under development (not yet ready to be deployed). And also it is mentioned that these tests may be conducted in Indian Kilos.

Which Indian Kilos are you talking about ? There's a deal for acquiring 6 more subs other than the Scorpene, but no particular country has been selected, i think, which include Germany(HDW), Russia (Rosoboronexport) and Armaris (France).

 

[wild goose]

Which Indian Kilos are you talking about ? There's a deal for acquiring 6 more subs other than the Scorpene, but no particular country has been selected, i think, which include Germany(HDW), Russia (Rosoboronexport) and Armaris (France).

Mate,

This is an old report.


India gearing up for BrahMos submarine tests



New Delhi: India is almost ready with its undersea launch version of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile and wants the Navy to help in preliminary test trials by the end of the year.

The Navy's help is being sought as the DRDO lacks a platform to undertake tests of the submarine launch BrahMos missile, which will put India among the few countries which have the capability to launch underwater supersonic missiles.

The Navy's present fleet of just upgraded Kilo class submarines do not have the capability to test fire such missiles, BrahMos Aerospace CEO A. Sivathanu Pillai said.

"We are in talks with the Navy to loan one of their expanded Kilo-class or some other submarine to undertake the tests," he said.

Tests in Russia


Alternately, New Delhi has also proposed that initial tests could be undertaken in Russian waters on a Russian naval platform.

"We are ready with the designs and looking for a platform to launch the missile from under the sea," Mr. Pillai said. — PTI

 

[Yusuf]

Any missile on a sub is basically useless unless it has long range. Any new cruise missile from Russia will be less than 300km in range. That makes it just an anti ship weapon.

 

[sandeepdg]

Yeah, we need longer range cruise missiles like the Pakistani Babur which has a range of 700 kms. Guess when is that gonna happen !

 

[venom]

Virat Might b able to serve till 2015 but wat abt harriers? Will there be any harriers left till 2015? i guess hardly 3-4........We need to purchase The latest harrier version operated by Us Marines,atleast 12 to make virat a threat to the enemy.....

 

[SATISH]

Well Harriers are said to be the most difficult aircraft to operate...But they are also one of the best at sea. The harriers must be bought (atleast a few) to maintain the required force levels. The Indian harriers have been upgraded and are capable of firing the Derby missile. I still think the Harrier is a very capable and versatile aircraft for a light carrier. The only other aircraft that has the capability to replace the Harrier is the F 35B. So i do suggest an order for the used Harriers by the USMC.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

Well Harriers are said to be the most difficult aircraft to operate...But they are also one of the best at sea. The harriers must be bought (atleast a few) to maintain the required force levels. The Indian harriers have been upgraded and are capable of firing the Derby missile. I still think the Harrier is a very capable and versatile aircraft for a light carrier. The only other aircraft that has the capability to replace the Harrier is the F 35B. So i do suggest an order for the used Harriers by the USMC.

Forgive my ignorance, can we not put F-18SH or Mig 29K on Virat? I just wanted to know.

 

[SATISH]

Forgive my ignorance, can we not put F-18SH or Mig 29K on Virat? I just wanted to know.

No you cant. MiG 29K is designed for STOBAR and F 18SH is designed for CATOBAR. The Virat dosent have both the facilities. The MiG 29K can take off but there are no arrestors in place for it to land. The F 18 cannot even take off because it's TWR does not allow it to take off with a decent load and fuel.

 

[nitesh]

India and the world.: India's Naval Ambitions: Interview of Vice Admiral Premvir Das

There have of course been some frustrating delays in India's most recent naval acquistions. It is in the nature of things, however, for ships to get laid off faster than they are inducted. If you look at the American fleet, for example, it has declined over the past few years from 279 combatant ships to 260. Even though the pace of India's naval expansion and modernization hasn't always been as fast as people would like it to be, by 2020 India should have at least two to three aircraft carriers, as well as 16 to 20 destroyers and frigates.
America is, for the time being at least, the only other really credible naval presence in the region. India will not be happy if any other country establishes a strong naval presence in the Indian Ocean.

I suppose that you are referring to China and to its so-called String of Pearls Strategy?

Yes, although, I can't help thinking that the String of Pearls has been overhyped by the press. Gwadar is the only port whose infrastructure is anywhere close to completion. And even the stationing of Chinese submarines in Gwadar could reveal itself complicated for Beijing-the Americans and other regional powers such as Saudi Arabia will be watching from across the Persian Gulf.

Now for a more technical question: how does India's most recent class of Kolkata destroyers compare with its Chinese Sovremenny design counterpart?

When it comes to destroyers and frigates China still suffers the consequences of the arms embargo. Whereas India can have access to high-tech Israeli, American and French equipment, China can only really rely on Russia. I would say that in terms of weapons sensors, the Kolkata destroyers are 25 to 30% more sophisticated.

In terms of Air Defence systems for example?

Yes, for example.

Final question: what strategy should India adopt in order to counter Chinese naval expansion? Should India focus more on ASW (Anti-submarine warfare) rather than on carrier-based force projection? Isn't there a risk that Indian carriers will become increasingly vulnerable to China's anti-ship ballistic missiles and ASCMs?

Carriers bring an essential element to the table in the event of a high-seas conflict in the form of airpower. As for anti-ship missiles, one has to hope that the IN's anti-missile and air-defence systems will be up to the task.
When it comes to China, it is inevitable that the PLAN will extend its presence into the Indian Ocean region in order to secure their energy supplies and the sea lanes of communication. This can be viewed as legitimate in many regards. India must thus enter into a two-pronged strategy vis-a-vis China- more must be done in terms of maritime cooperation versus non-conventional threats such as piracy and terrorism in order to build up trust in-between the two navies. At the same time, the Indian Navy must continue to strengthen its presence in the Indian Ocean, as well as its capabilites, and must remain watchful.

 

[nandu]

when ins shivalik is going to commission in indian navy?

 

[sandeepdg]

Well Harriers are said to be the most difficult aircraft to operate...But they are also one of the best at sea. The harriers must be bought (atleast a few) to maintain the required force levels. The Indian harriers have been upgraded and are capable of firing the Derby missile. I still think the Harrier is a very capable and versatile aircraft for a light carrier. The only other aircraft that has the capability to replace the Harrier is the F 35B. So i do suggest an order for the used Harriers by the USMC.

Well, even i like the Harriers especially the AV-8B version used by the USN, but i don't know what's IN has in store for Viraat. I think they will just carry on with the 11 Harriers that we have by just upgrading them to some extent. Anyway, the Harrier is no match for the Mig 29K.

 

[RAM]

Paradip: Indian Navy plans to set up 'Forward Operating Base' in Orissa's Paradip

Navy plans to setup 'Forward Operating Base' in Orissa's Paradip

Paradip: Indian Navy plans to set up 'Forward Operating Base' in Paradip to secure the Orissa coastline. It was said by Rear Admiral P Murgusean, fleet commander of Eastern Naval Command on Sunday to media. He said this during the demonstration and exercise by the seven warships off Paradip coast. Murgusean said besides, small and medium range warships would also be deployed in the state for better sea surveillance.

He said that a wide gap exists in east coast in the absence of any naval facility between Vishakhapatnam and Haldia. He also informed that plans were afoot to have a forward operating base at Paradip which would go a long way in smoothening movement of naval vessels and providing logistic support.

Earlier people give a glimpse to seven warships - INS Jalaswa, INS Rajpur, INS Kora, INS Kulish, INS Kanjar and INS Kuthar and Kirpan on the occasion of Navy Week at Paradip Port. Apart from carrying out rescue operation, a number of security exercises were performed by the warships, boats and trawlers took part in the exercise.

Indian Navy plans to set up 'Forward Operating Base' in Orissa's Paradip, Orissa Current News

 

[RPK]

Navy to deploy fast crafts to thwart Mumbai-like attacks

Paradip (Orissa), Nov 9 (IANS) The Indian Navy would soon deploy fast attack crafts to protect the eastern coast to thwart attacks like last year’s terror strike on Mumbai where the terrorists landed on the city’s shoreline and unleashed mayhem, a senior navy official said.
“The eastern coast can be as vulnerable as any other part of the Indian coast. You can’t afford to leave one part of the coast unguarded especially after the Mumbai attack. We are giving equal importance to eastern coast as the western coast and won’t leave any part of the coast unattended,” Rear Admiral P. Murugesan, the flag officer commanding of the Indian Navy’s Eastern Fleet, told visiting journalists Sunday on board INS Jalashwa off this port city in Orissa.

“The Indian Navy will deploy some swift-moving fast attack craft to thwart such attacks in the western coasts too. These crafts are not big ships, but they will be of medium and small sizes so that they can reach a place with a minimum time lag,” Murugesan said.

The navy has already commissioned four to six such vessels in the last six months and more are being built in shipyards on a “fast track” basis”, he said. These ships would be positioned at different places in the eastern coast “starting from Kameswaram to Haldia”, the officer said.

Apart from the navy, the coast guard is also commissioning such crafts to counter possible infiltrators along the Indian coast, he added.

INS Jalashwa is a an amphibious assault ship that is capable of carrying and transporting 1,000 combat troops, tanks, artillery and vehicles to support operations ashore. It is equipped with Landing Craft Mechanized LCM-8. It is also capable of leading humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions.

 

[RPK]

Navy exhibits strength off Orissa coast- Hindustan Times

Seven Indian Navy ships displayed their strengths on Sunday in the Bay of Bengal, about 100 km off Paradeep port in Orissa.

This was done as part of the Navy Week celebrations.

“The Indian Navy has to protect the country’s coastal security and international trade at any cost,” Rear Admiral P. Murugesan said at a press briefing on board the INS Jalashwa, India’s first amphibious ship, referring to the Mumbai attacks in November last year and the hijack of commercial ships by sea pirates at the Gulf of Aden (in West Asia) by Somali sea pirates.

Paradip is located 124 km east of Bhubaneswar.

As part of its efforts to tighten coastal security, the Indian Navy plans to set up a base in Paradeep, Murugesan said. “A request has been made to the Orissa government for allotting land for the base,” he said.

He said that the Navy’s fleet would be expanded.

The Navy has about 140 ships in different categories with state-of-the-art gadgets.

The seven ships of the Eastern Fleet reached Paradeep, about 120 km east of Bhubaneswar, on Saturday.

About 7,000 visitors were present on the occasion.

On Sunday there were search-and-rescue demonstrations, helicopter operations, high-speed missile shows, underwater replenishment (from the INS Jalashwa to two other ships simultaneously at maximum speed), close-range anti-aircraft firing exercises and flag-past by naval aircraft and helicopters.

The idea was to instill confidence in people of about the country’s naval power, which is among the best in the world, having the capability to ward off any threat, Murugesan said.

The Indian Navy conducted naval operations at Kolkata last week with three ships.

Another round of operations will be conducted in Chennai next week.

 

[RPK]

Strengthened coastal security to prevent a repeat of Mumbai attack: Indian Navy

Paradip (Orissa), Nov 9- ANI: Indian Navy has said that it has made all possible plans to ensure that a repetition of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack- like incident does not take place.

Addressing the media during the navy drill organised as a part of Navy Week, off the Paradip coast in Orissa, Rear Admiral P. Murugesan, VSM flag officer commanding eastern fleet, said: Along with the coast guards and coastal states, marine police the Indian Navy has made all possible plans, so that we do not allow any such (26/11 Mumbai attack) incidents to take place again.

The entire operation of the navy has been focussed towards coastal security, so that such a thing does not happen again, Murugesan added.

India has heightened coastal security in the country, on its borders and the coastal areas following the Mumbai attacks, which killed nearly 166 people.

Sea routes have emerged as the safest routes by terror outfits to carry out dreadful operations. In 1993 serial blasts that rocked Mumbai more than a decade ago and took a toll of more than 250 lives, the militants had smuggled in RDX and other explosives through the sea route.

India Government has said that the assault on Mumbai was carried out by Pakistan-based LeT militants, who must have had backing from some official Pakistani agencies.

Though Pakistan denies official involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks, but has acknowledged the coordinated attacks were launched and partly planned from Pakistan's soil.

Murugesan said that they were aware of the vulnerability of the eastern coast to terror attacks and are ever vigilant.

East coast can be as vulnerable as any other coast. When we are guard one place, they will definitely come from place where we are least expecting, to that extent we are not leaving any portion of the east coast unguarded and unattended, Murugesan added.

Six naval warships - INS Rajput, INS Kirpan, INS Jalashwa, INS Kuthar, INS Kora and INS Kulish - were open for public viewing by Navy to create awareness about naval activities.

The drill was part of the navy week celebrations ahead of the Navy Day on December 4. - ANI

 

[RPK]

The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Navy shows coast might

Paradip, Nov 9: The nation’s harrowing experience on 26/11 continues to haunt its people, as was evident from the enthusiasm with which people watched and lauded a massive naval drill carried out in the Bay of Bengal, 100km off Paradip coast, yesterday.

As many as seven warships participated in the drill.

“The Indian Navy has to protect the country’s coasts at any cost,” said Rear Admiral P. Murugesan, the flag officer and commander of the Eastern Fleet, while talking to reporters on board from INS Jalaswa.

The Indian Navy, with a fleet strength of more than 140 warships, has been assigned to co-ordinate coastal security operations across the country following the 26/11.

“We are co-ordinating with the marine police of respective states and Indian Coast Guard to see that no more such incidents take place along the 4,700km coastline,” said the Rear Admiral. “The eastern coastline is as vulnerable as any other,” he added.

The Eastern Fleet, which has more than 60 ships under its disposal, displayed its firepower as a part of the Navy Week celebrations.

From the INS Jalaswa, the navy’s first landing platform dock and an amphibious assault ship capable of transporting 1,000 combat troops, tanks and artillery vehicles, Rear Admiral Murugesan guided missile destroyers, INS Rajput and five missile corvettes — INS Kora, INS Kulish, INS Kuthar, INS INS Khanjar and INS Kirpan.

Missiles were fired to the mid-sea from INS Kuthar and INS Khanjar with a speed of 40km-per-hour. The colours glowed red and green as the powerful bombs detonated far out into the water.

The display of underway replenishment showed how resources are exchanged under-water between ships travelling in the same speed. There were also close-range anti-aircraft firing exercises and simultaneous anti-aircraft firing display.

A Chetak helicopter, which took off from Visakhapatnam base, conducted a mock search and rescue operation displaying how the ships are used for landing and takeoffs from the helipads of ships on move. There was a breathtaking fly-past by the Chetak helicopter and Dornier aircraft.

Later talking to reporters, Rear Admiral Murugesan told reporters later that the navy had plans to set up a forward operating base at Paradip to provide logistic support such as fuel, water and ration to the ships.

“A request has been made to the government for allotting land,” he added

 

[RPK]

Indian Navy comes up with a power spectacle on high seas

Paradip (Orissa), Nov 10 (IANS) Warships cruising at breakneck speed, guns firing and shells sizzling into the aquamarine water - the scene seemed straight out of a war film as the Indian Navy conducted an exercise in the Bay of Bengal off this port city.

Seven ships of the Eastern Fleet - Landing Platform Dock INS Jalashwa, guided missile destroyer INS Ranjit and five missile corvettes - participated in the exercise Sunday as part of the Navy Week celebrations.

During the operation, the warships displayed their manoeuvring skills, including intra-ship coordination, transfer of men and materials from one ship to another and rescue operations during war. There were also high-speed missile shows, underwater replenishment (from INS Jalashwa to two other ships simultaneously), close-range anti-aircraft firing exercises and flag-past by naval aircraft and helicopters.

“The exercise was to reaffirm to our people that the Indian Navy is all geared up to thwart attacks of any nature along the coast. Whether it is an attack like Mumbai (26/11) where people from across the country infiltrated to unleash terror in our country or to give protection to Indian merchant ships along the Gulf of Aden where pirates create trade disruptions. We are all prepared to counter those attacks,” Rear Admiral P. Murugesan, the flag officer commanding of the Indian Navy’s Eastern Fleet, told visiting journalists on board INS Jalashwa.

The exercise, which showcased the navy’s prowess, began with a flag past by combat ships with INS Jalashwa at the centre and the other ships flanking her. This was followed by the landing of Chetak helicopters on the ships and rescue operations.

“Commands are important in a coordinated operation like this. Each member in the ship has a specific role that has been clearly chalked out,” said Yuvraj Singh, a commander on board INS Jalashwa.

Not only the men and the machines, communication between warships through the flags waving atop each ship was also demonstrated. A crew of flag hoisters are responsible for getting the message across apart from the wireless phones that ring every now and then.

“Every flag has a meaning. There are 69 types of flags to communicate messages. Whether it is fuelling or firing or any type of message we want to communicate to the other ships, we get it across through flags,” said Amar Singh, a crewman in the Signal wing of the INS Jalashwa.

The show was witnessed by over 7,000 spectators, which included government officials who were invited to spend a day on the ship.

“It is certainly a learning experience for all of us. It is an experience for each of us on how to work during a war-like situation,” said Gyanranjan Das, the district collector of Jagatsinghpur.

 

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Indian Navy comes up with a power spectacle on high seas

Paradip (Orissa), Nov 10 (IANS) Warships cruising at breakneck speed, guns firing and shells sizzling into the aquamarine water - the scene seemed straight out of a war film as the Indian Navy conducted an exercise in the Bay of Bengal off this port city.

Seven ships of the Eastern Fleet - Landing Platform Dock INS Jalashwa, guided missile destroyer INS Ranjit and five missile corvettes - participated in the exercise Sunday as part of the Navy Week celebrations.During the operation, the warships displayed their manoeuvring skills, including intra-ship coordination, transfer of men and materials from one ship to another and rescue operations during war. There were also high-speed missile shows, underwater replenishment (from INS Jalashwa to two other ships simultaneously), close-range anti-aircraft firing exercises and flag-past by naval aircraft and helicopters.

“The exercise was to reaffirm to our people that the Indian Navy is all geared up to thwart attacks of any nature along the coast. Whether it is an attack like Mumbai (26/11) where people from across the country infiltrated to unleash terror in our country or to give protection to Indian merchant ships along the Gulf of Aden where pirates create trade disruptions. We are all prepared to counter those attacks,” Rear Admiral P. Murugesan, the flag officer commanding of the Indian Navy’s Eastern Fleet, told visiting journalists on board INS Jalashwa. The exercise, which showcased the navy’s prowess, began with a flag past by combat ships with INS Jalashwa at the centre and the other ships flanking her. This was followed by the landing of Chetak helicopters on the ships and rescue operations.

“Commands are important in a coordinated operation like this. Each member in the ship has a specific role that has been clearly chalked out,” said Yuvraj Singh, a commander on board INS Jalashwa.Not only the men and the machines, communication between warships through the flags waving atop each ship was also demonstrated. A crew of flag hoisters are responsible for getting the message across apart from the wireless phones that ring every now and then.

“Every flag has a meaning. There are 69 types of flags to communicate messages. Whether it is fuelling or firing or any type of message we want to communicate to the other ships, we get it across through flags,” said Amar Singh, a crewman in the Signal wing of the INS Jalashwa.The show was witnessed by over 7,000 spectators, which included government officials who were invited to spend a day on the ship.“It is certainly a learning experience for all of us. It is an experience for each of us on how to work during a war-like situation,” said Gyanranjan Das, the district collector of Jagatsinghpur.

Indian Navy comes up with a power spectacle on high seas - Yahoo! India News