Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[sandeepdg]

Now, that the Viraat is operational, the Navy is left with only 11 of the Sea Harriers in purchased back in 1987.. i hope we get some of Mig 29Ks soon...

 

[ppgj]

Now, that the Viraat is operational, the Navy is left with only 11 of the Sea Harriers in purchased back in 1987.. i hope we get some of Mig 29Ks soon...

mig 29k can not operate from the VIRAAT. they are being procured for gorshkov and our own carrier shaping up at cochin.

 

[sandeepdg]

mig 29k can not operate from the VIRAAT. they are being procured for gorshkov and our own carrier shaping up at cochin.

Ok, so that leaves us with just 11 Sea Harriers. Not much of a firepower, I suppose. Also, some of the Ka-28s will hopefully be based on the Viraat, I think.

 

[ppgj]

Ok, so that leaves us with just 11 Sea Harriers.

even they are outdated. many crashes in the past means the IN will be circumspect in operating them.

Not much of a firepower, I suppose. Also, some of the Ka-28s will hopefully be based on the Viraat, I think.

i would be happy if it is operated like a heli- carrier since no a/c is forseen for them except say f-35.

 

[sandeepdg]

even they are outdated. many crashes in the past means the IN will be circumspect in operating them.


i would be happy if it is operated like a heli- carrier since no a/c is forseen for them except say f-35.

Yeah, they are outdated. the Harriers that we operate are the oldest version. The Britishers operate the AV-8B version currently.

 

[bengalraider]

Personally i wish we can get the vikaramditya and the IAC going soon so the viraat can be retired to life as a museum ship(hopefully)soon. she has served this nation long enough .

 

[ppgj]

Personally i wish we can get the vikaramditya and the IAC going soon so the viraat can be retired to life as a museum ship(hopefully)soon. she has served this nation long enough .

i think it is being held for the same reason till the gorshkov and our AC become operational. post that it will be retired.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Same point like many. Where is the Air-Wing? 11 nos not enough at all. They are not sufficient enough to protect battle group from a massive air raid. I think IN needs to lease AV jumping jets from USMC.

 

[nitesh]

good news:

Viraat to be back in action in a week - India - The Times of India

 

[RPK]

Mock drill along Saurashtra, Kutch coastline checks readiness to tackle sea terror

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AMRELI: A two-day joint operation Sagar Kavach by Indian Navy, Indian Coast Guard, state marine police and district police of Jamnagar, Junagadh,
Amreli and Kutch districts checked preparedness on-duty security forces to deal with terrorist incursion from the coastline.

The drill began at 6 pm on October 30 went on till late afternoon of October 31. Information about terrorists' entering the border were tipped off to various security personnel on ground. The security forces stood true to the test all places, sources said.

In Jamnagar, 16 people were arrested' from different regions of district and city. Five persons from Salaya and Khambhaliya posing as terrorists were held while trying to attack Dwarka Jagat Mandir, four terrorists' were similarly detained from near Tata Chemicals Factory in Mithapur. Police also arrested dummy terrorists from border areas of Navdra Bunder and Bet island near Sikkar port.

"All were intercepted and detained by special team of local crime branch," said RV Jotangia Superintendent of Police, Jamnagar. "It was a mock drill which was held to check security staff alertness & awareness against terrorist activity and stopping infiltration through sea, Jotangia added.

In Junagadh, SOG team arrested' three persons at midnight of October 30 while they were trying to enter via a fibre boat through Mangrol jetty. In Amreli district, a similar operation took shape in wee hours of Saturday along the 53 km coastal stretch of Rajula and Jafrabad.

Officials of Amreli district police, navy, customs and coast guard joined hands to prevent four persons who tried to enter the city through Narmada jetty of Jafrabad taluka.

Similarly, in Kutch marine police prevented infiltrates from hijacking a steamer in a mid-sea operation. The two-day drill in Kutch covered the stretch from Narayan Sarovar to Jakhau in which the BSF and customs officials were also involved.

 

[RPK]

Sainik School cadets take a plunge


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LUCKNOW: A contingent of 15 cadets of UP Sainik School, Lucknow alongwith the senior teacher Santosh Singh Chauhan which returned to the city on
Saturday after attending a naval course organised by Southern Naval Command, Kochi, was felicitated by the school fraternity.

The cadets, who reached Kochi on October 18, were made to stay at the Naval Base known as INS Vinduruthy. Lt Commander Riji K Krishnan, Commander-in-Chief of Watermanship Training Centre, Kochi, conducted the course for the cadets. During this course, the cadets had gone for various adventurous trainings which included sailing on Enterprise Boards, J-24 and DK Wheeler boats.

The most interesting aspect of this course was the sorties on INS Krishna where the cadets were briefed about the functioning of a Naval Warship. INS Krishna is a warship which played and important role in Indo-Pak war in 1965. The cadets also got an opportunity to interact with several Naval officers and visited Naval bases, INS Garuda and INS Dronacharya.

INS Garuda is the Naval aviation base where cadets learnt about several types of aircraft used by Indian Navy. INS Dronacharya is the Indian Naval Base for Infantry where the cadets were briefed about the latest gunnery and ammunition used by Indian Navy.

Principal of the school Col Sumer Vir Singh said that the trip of a selected lot of 15 cadets of class XI to Navy warships and bases at Kochi was planned with a view to acquaint them with the service conditions and a career in Indian Navy. The trip proved very successful as it motivated the cadets and created a spark among them to join Indian Navy.

 

[Singh]

Turfed out of our own backyard

Turfed out of our own backyard​

In all the world, the Indian Navy is one of just two navies still growing. The other is the Chinese Navy. It is no accident that the rise of the two Asian giants is accompanied by a return to their original status as maritime powers. China had its Admiral Zheng Ho and the Grand fleet that came to collect tribute from the littoral countries of Asia — except India. India’s maritime power overseas is more long lasting, as the Pallavas under Jayavarman inspired the building of Angkor Wat, the largest planned metropolis in the world of 700 AD. The Chinese Army surprisingly is growing smaller as it models itself on the US Army, relying more on UAVs, wide band connectivity, air mobile troops and helicopter gunships. Not surprisingly, most countries seeking strategic partnerships with India are looking either at its soft power (knowledge and culture) or its overseas power projection capability based on its Navy.

The Indian Navy has travelled a long, rough and lonely road to get to where it is, and having got this far, is in danger of losing its way. But to start at the beginning, it was not even a navy in 1947. Endangered by 250 brilliant teak ships built in Bombay by the Wadias, British monopolists forced Wadia to shut down by abolishing the Indian Navy in 1868 and off-sourcing India’s maritime defence to the Royal Navy, from Singapore. The British partially made amends in 1947 by loaning to India, senior officers to fill the posts of admirals, naval planners and technology teachers for almost ten years, under the paternal eye of Lord Mountbatten. Doctrine, strategy and tactical documents came with the British officers and led the Navy to look for a future where India would once again be a maritime power.

That vision did not have place for Pakistan, a preoccupation that tied down the funding of the army and air force for sixty years. It led to bizarre acquisitions like the fighter aircraft that the air force bought, that could only fly for 35 minutes and the recruiting of lakhs of infantry soldiers to implement the ridiculous political directive of not losing ‘an inch of sacred territory . The navy paid a heavy price, by having its budget reduced to 12 per cent of the defence budget, but kept its head and pursued its long term strategic goal.

Having come this far, it is in danger of losing its way, as the challenges of the 21st century demand even more courageous decisions than were taken by the admirals of the 1950s and ‘60s. The threat comes from the aftermath of the attack on Mumbai and by India’s limited response to the growing menace of piracy off the Horn of Africa. When Mumbai occurred, the Navy had long felt that the 14 agencies operating at sea should at some stage have a coordinating head. Instead of dealing with the arguments already on the file, the national security apparatus gave the responsibility for coastal security to the Navy, with vaguely defined charters to the coast guard. Similarly, off Somalia, the government for long resisted doing anything at all despite UN resolutions exhorting states to coordinate naval forces to suppress piracy. It even, at one stage, prevented a naval ship close to the scene from intervening in attacking pirates who had hijacked an Indian crew. Under the pressure of UN resolutions, a Contact Group on Somalia Piracy (CGSP) met in January, where the coordination of operations has been handed over to the UK, the judicial aspects to Denmark and the industry aspects to the US. All this has occurred in what is called the ‘Indian’ ocean.

The Indian Navy lost a golden opportunity off Somalia, by not being permitted to join the international coalition and lead it, instead of patrolling one end of it in sulky isolation. The Europeans will never fight piracy — they can’t. Every time a pirate is shot, a judicial commission comes all the way from London or Berlin to conduct an enquiry. No pirate has been sentenced adequately, because the eventual concern is the pirate’s human rights. The UN resolution actually permits naval forces to enter Somalian territorial waters and ‘territory’ to suppress piracy. The blue water aspirations of the Indian Navy should have inspired it to the lead International Task Force 151 with the INS Jalashwa — with marine commandos, and army snipers and military police embarked, with powers of arrest — to free the hijacked ships in the ports of Eyl and Hobyo.

The responsibilities for coastal security after 26/11 may also lead the Navy into losing its way in an area which is really that of the coast guard’s. Just as the army lost its way in counter-insurgency, with the attraction of raising 60 battalions of Rashtriya Rifles, and neglected technological modernisation, the Navy might do the same. To prevent another Mumbai, a blue water navy should really go and pick up Hafiz Sayed, or Dawood or Tiger Memon. If they can’t be found in Pakistan, wait till they come to Dubai. After all, the most brilliant tactical action in Afghanistan was fought by US Navy Seals. The ultimate kingpin of Afghan drug smuggling, Haji Juma Khan who allegedly employs Mullah Omar, is now in a Manhattan jail, put there by the US drugs suppression agency.

Blue water navies don’t patrol the coast in peacetime, doing police work, when the coast guard is available. The Europeans may be happy doing that, for they have no war to prepare for. The Indian Navy is the only punitive instrument the government has in the great swing of power from the West to the East. The Indian Ocean is the theatre of the future. The current vision should be to dominate it strategically. The policeman’s duty is important, but let us not lose our way.

Turfed out of our own backyard

 

[Singh]

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Turfed out of our own backyard​

In all the world, the Indian Navy is one of just two navies still growing. The other is the Chinese Navy. It is no accident that the rise of the two Asian giants is accompanied by a return to their original status as maritime powers. China had its Admiral Zheng Ho and the Grand fleet that came to collect tribute from the littoral countries of Asia — except India. India’s maritime power overseas is more long lasting, as the Pallavas under Jayavarman inspired the building of Angkor Wat, the largest planned metropolis in the world of 700 AD. The Chinese Army surprisingly is growing smaller as it models itself on the US Army, relying more on UAVs, wide band connectivity, air mobile troops and helicopter gunships. Not surprisingly, most countries seeking strategic partnerships with India are looking either at its soft power (knowledge and culture) or its overseas power projection capability based on its Navy.

The Indian Navy has travelled a long, rough and lonely road to get to where it is, and having got this far, is in danger of losing its way. But to start at the beginning, it was not even a navy in 1947. Endangered by 250 brilliant teak ships built in Bombay by the Wadias, British monopolists forced Wadia to shut down by abolishing the Indian Navy in 1868 and off-sourcing India’s maritime defence to the Royal Navy, from Singapore. The British partially made amends in 1947 by loaning to India, senior officers to fill the posts of admirals, naval planners and technology teachers for almost ten years, under the paternal eye of Lord Mountbatten. Doctrine, strategy and tactical documents came with the British officers and led the Navy to look for a future where India would once again be a maritime power.

That vision did not have place for Pakistan, a preoccupation that tied down the funding of the army and air force for sixty years. It led to bizarre acquisitions like the fighter aircraft that the air force bought, that could only fly for 35 minutes and the recruiting of lakhs of infantry soldiers to implement the ridiculous political directive of not losing ‘an inch of sacred territory . The navy paid a heavy price, by having its budget reduced to 12 per cent of the defence budget, but kept its head and pursued its long term strategic goal.

Having come this far, it is in danger of losing its way, as the challenges of the 21st century demand even more courageous decisions than were taken by the admirals of the 1950s and ‘60s. The threat comes from the aftermath of the attack on Mumbai and by India’s limited response to the growing menace of piracy off the Horn of Africa. When Mumbai occurred, the Navy had long felt that the 14 agencies operating at sea should at some stage have a coordinating head. Instead of dealing with the arguments already on the file, the national security apparatus gave the responsibility for coastal security to the Navy, with vaguely defined charters to the coast guard. Similarly, off Somalia, the government for long resisted doing anything at all despite UN resolutions exhorting states to coordinate naval forces to suppress piracy. It even, at one stage, prevented a naval ship close to the scene from intervening in attacking pirates who had hijacked an Indian crew. Under the pressure of UN resolutions, a Contact Group on Somalia Piracy (CGSP) met in January, where the coordination of operations has been handed over to the UK, the judicial aspects to Denmark and the industry aspects to the US. All this has occurred in what is called the ‘Indian’ ocean.

The Indian Navy lost a golden opportunity off Somalia, by not being permitted to join the international coalition and lead it, instead of patrolling one end of it in sulky isolation. The Europeans will never fight piracy — they can’t. Every time a pirate is shot, a judicial commission comes all the way from London or Berlin to conduct an enquiry. No pirate has been sentenced adequately, because the eventual concern is the pirate’s human rights. The UN resolution actually permits naval forces to enter Somalian territorial waters and ‘territory’ to suppress piracy. The blue water aspirations of the Indian Navy should have inspired it to the lead International Task Force 151 with the INS Jalashwa — with marine commandos, and army snipers and military police embarked, with powers of arrest — to free the hijacked ships in the ports of Eyl and Hobyo.

The responsibilities for coastal security after 26/11 may also lead the Navy into losing its way in an area which is really that of the coast guard’s. Just as the army lost its way in counter-insurgency, with the attraction of raising 60 battalions of Rashtriya Rifles, and neglected technological modernisation, the Navy might do the same. To prevent another Mumbai, a blue water navy should really go and pick up Hafiz Sayed, or Dawood or Tiger Memon. If they can’t be found in Pakistan, wait till they come to Dubai. After all, the most brilliant tactical action in Afghanistan was fought by US Navy Seals. The ultimate kingpin of Afghan drug smuggling, Haji Juma Khan who allegedly employs Mullah Omar, is now in a Manhattan jail, put there by the US drugs suppression agency.

Blue water navies don’t patrol the coast in peacetime, doing police work, when the coast guard is available. The Europeans may be happy doing that, for they have no war to prepare for. The Indian Navy is the only punitive instrument the government has in the great swing of power from the West to the East. The Indian Ocean is the theatre of the future. The current vision should be to dominate it strategically. The policeman’s duty is important, but let us not lose our way.

 

[bengalraider]

India To Commission 4th Naval Command HQ

NEW DELHI - India will commission a Coast Guard station Nov. 4 at Karwar, India's state-of-the-art, integrated naval base on the western seaboard, as it continues to strengthen coastal security. Karwar, India's fourth naval command headquarters, will develop into one of the biggest such bases this side of the Suez.

The station is being established based on a security assessment undertaken by the government to boost maritime and coastal security, a Defence Ministry release says.

Fourteen more stations will be established to address the security gap along the coastline. The Karwar station will have two fast speedboats to undertake search and rescue, close coastal patrol, and to respond to emergency calls, the release says.

The Coast Guard is entrusted with guarding India's maritime interests, including protecting offshore assets such as oil rigs, platforms and terminals within India's maritime zones, providing protection to fishermen in distress, and taking preserving the maritime environment.

After the Nov. 26 terror attacks in Mumbai, India decided to beef up its Coast Guard. The government has allowed the Coast Guard to buy weaponry worth millions of dollars on a fast-track basis, including the purchase of an additional 30 helicopters, 20 fast interceptor boats, 10 patrol vessels and five offshore vessels.

 

[sky]

The indian navy have a huge number of ship's that will be inducted over the next few year's,so there's still hope.I can't wait see the new air craft carriers india is planning to aquire which would give the nation the blue water capability its vying for.

All good thing's come to he who wait's!!

 

[sandeepdg]

I thought the Kilo class subs were to be armed with the Brahmos cruise missiles. If they will be with the Klub, what are the plans for the Brahmos in subs ? Also, India will be getting the 3M-54E version of the Klub whose range is 220 km and not 300km.

 

[wild goose]

I thought the Kilo class subs were to be armed with the Brahmos cruise missiles. If they will be with the Klub, what are the plans for the Brahmos in subs ? Also, India will be getting the 3M-54E version of the Klub whose range is 220 km and not 300km.

Hi,

It seems the cannisterised Brahmos capable of launching vertically from underwater is under development (not yet ready to be deployed). And also it is mentioned that these tests may be conducted in Indian Kilos.

So, we may see Sub-launched Brahmos in the near future.

So far there is,

Land to Land
Land to Ship
Ship to Ship
Ship to Land, versions.

BRAHMOS Supersonic Cruise Missile - BrahMos.com

domain-b.com : Aerial, sub-surface variants of the BrahMos cruise missile ready for tests

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Hi,

It seems the cannisterised Brahmos capable of launching vertically from underwater is under development (not yet ready to be deployed). And also it is mentioned that these tests may be conducted in Indian Kilos.

So, we may see Sub-launched Brahmos in the near future.

So far there is,

Land to Land
Land to Ship
Ship to Ship
Ship to Land, versions.

BRAHMOS Supersonic Cruise Missile - BrahMos.com

domain-b.com : Aerial, sub-surface variants of the BrahMos cruise missile ready for tests

WG you forgot one the air launched Brahmos that will be fitted on to the Sukhois.

 

[wild goose]

WG you forgot one the air launched Brahmos that will be fitted on to the Sukhois.

Hi,

I only intended the current deployable versions.

Eventhough around 15 tests of Air launched Brahmos is conducted, distinct aero-dynamic modifications(by reducing other pay-loads) have to be made on the MKIs. So will have to wait till 2010-12 for the air-trials to begin as per the reports.

 

[RPK]

INS Chilka in Orissa to celebrate Navy Week from November 6

INS Chilka in Orissa to celebrate Navy Week from November 6, Orissa News

Bhubaneswar: The Indian Navy bases at Chilka and Paradip Port are organising the Navy Week, the theme of the event being Indian Navy power-packed oath for a strong nation. The event will start with a blood donation camp on November 6 at INS Nivarini.

The warships at Paradip will be open to public visit on November 7 and 8 as part of "A day at sea" programme. State officials, dignitaries and other invited guests will be on board the warships, witnessing a demonstration of the Indian Navy's air and fire power. Health camps will be organised in Banpur, Chhatargarh, Bhubaneswar and Puri on November 8, 15, 22 and 29, respectively.


From November 24 to 28, there will be an inter-school sports championship for the students of schools in and around Chilka, Balugaon and Banpur. From November 28 to December 2, there will be a joint Chilka lake mouth-sailing expedition with the Fourth and Youth Service Wing, in which young boys and girls will participate alongside Naval trainees. On November 29, there would be a quiz competition at INS Chilka for schools from Bhubaneswar and Berhampur. On December 4, the Navy Day, the Governor of Odisha will be the chief guest.

The Navy Veterans' Day will be celebrated on December 6 with retired Naval officers and their families attending the festivities. The Navy Dance Concert is on November 9 at the Rabindra Mandap in Bhubaneswar. A grand film festival, which includes films in many languages, will be held from November 5 to December 8 at Chilka.