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Aren't we buying anymore of the Phalcon AWACS other than the 3 already purchased ??
I believe we are planning on buying at least three more Phalcons,but the Phalcon was never planned to be inducted in large no's as the future workhorse AWACS of the IAF(simply because of it's price). the phalcon is the proverbial ace up the IAF'S sleeve; it is to be used as a high value asset designed to track and designate targets in wartime from the relative safety of Indian airspace, the workhorse is going to be the DRDO AWACS that shall be inducted in large no's and shall form the backbone of the IAF AWACS fleet.




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DRDO's AWACS project to be complete by 2011 news

12 March 2008
New Delhi: The Defence Research and Development Organisation, the country's umbrella organisation that controls a multitude of defence laboratories whose work is spread across the spectrum of defence activities, is currently engaged in the development of an Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AWACS) at a cost of Rs1,800 crore.

The programme has a probable date of completion in the year 2011, according to the information provided by defence minister AK Antony in a written reply to Naveen Jindal in the Lok Sabha today.

The minister said that development and manufacture of an indigenous radar is included in the AWACS programme.

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As part of a $1.1 billion deal, signed in 2004, Israel is to supply three Phalcon AWACS systems to India with its radar and other systems mounted on three Russian-built Il-76 aircraft. The first of these aircraft may be delivered sometime in August-September this year, instead of the earlier delivery date in November 2007. Subsequent deliveries of follow -on aircraft will be made at intervals of approximately 9 months.

As for an indigenous system, DRDO's Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) was designated as the lead development agency in 2004, five years after the previous indigenously developed AWACS prototype crashed in 1999.

The first prototype from the new programme was due to take to the air in 2007 and enter service by 2010. This now stand altered with the Indian Air Force changing requirements from a small AWACS platform (Embraer EMB-145 type platform) to a larger Boeing/Airbus platform.

The IAF had said in 2005 that the Embraer EMB-145 platform could not fly above 40,000 feet and that the radar's planned coverage range of 300 kilometres and 240 degrees was inadequate.

The weight of a heavier AWACS, which would meet revised IAF requirements, has gone up from about 4,500 kilograms to more than 7,000 kilograms, according to reports.

A larger Boeing/Airbus platform would also increase the price of the AWACS by more than 40 per cent.

Domestic companies and laboratories currently working with the DRDO on the AWACS project include Bharat Electronics Ltd, the Defence Avionics Research Establishment, and the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment.
 

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As DRDO is developing an AWACs, i don't think India will be acquiring any other AWACS aircraft like the E-3 Sentry for the IAF.....although the E-2D is a good choice for the navy...... the DRDO AWACS is stated to be equivalent or more superior than the Israeli Phalcon......
 

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I believe we are planning on buying at least three more Phalcons,but the Phalcon was never planned to be inducted in large no's as the future workhorse AWACS of the IAF(simply because of it's price). the phalcon is the proverbial ace up the IAF'S sleeve; it is to be used as a high value asset designed to track and designate targets in wartime from the relative safety of Indian airspace, the workhorse is going to be the DRDO AWACS that shall be inducted in large no's and shall form the backbone of the IAF AWACS fleet.
The price of the Indian developed AWACS is almost equivalent to the Israeli Phalcon system... each unit will cost roughly Rs. 1800 crores which translates to almost 380 million USD whereas the Phalcon unit costs 360-370 million USD approx...... so it will not be much of a price issue, i think, but more about the flexibility that it offers to India with an in-house AWACS...... Also, now that the Embraer-145 platform has not found favor with the IAF, it will significantly increase costs w.r.t. integrating the AWACS system on a larger aircraft like an Airbus aircraft or Boeing 737/767 or the IL-76...
 

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Navy for Internet, Sat TV on submarines

Oct. 24: The Indian Navy is keen that its submariners are soon able to access the Internet and watch direct-to-home (DTH) television underwater (up to a certain depth) via satellite connectivity and has asked the state-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd if this can be ensured, BEL sources have confirmed.

The Navy is in the midst of a process to place a Rs 600-crore order with BEL for supply and installation of integrated communication network systems on all its submarines, ships and unmanned aerial vehicles, BEL sources said. Satellite connectivity for submarines will be ensured once the Navy has its own communications satellite, which is to be launched next year.

Sources said orders for the first phase of the project have already been received while orders for the second phase, costing Rs 53 crores, and the third phase, costing Rs 200 crores, are in the pipeline.

"The Navy is keen to know whether its sailors can surf the Internet and see DTH TV while in submerged submarines," said a BEL official.

BEL sources said the submarines would have to be quite close to the water surface for sailors to enjoy these facilities and the tip of the submarine’s snorkel mast, or tower, has to be slightly above the water surface to receive satellite connectivity.

When contacted, Navy sources said BEL usually supplies the Navy’s communication devices. "It is to be expected that once satellite connectivity is available, such facilities would be available to sailors in submarines," Navy sources said.

For sailors stationed for several days at a stretch in submarines, access to the Internet and DTH services will mean they do not have to be cut off from daily happenings on land.

Defence minister A.K. Antony had recently announced that India would launch its first dedicated military naval communication satellite next year. This is expected to radically transform the capabilities of the Navy in the Indian Ocean by ensuring satellite connectivity on all naval ships, submarines and other assets. This will be the first naval geo-stationary satellite with its focus on the Indian Ocean and the Navy will decide the positioning of the satellite. As the defence minister himself had put it, "The launch of the naval communications satellite next year will significantly improve connectivity at sea."

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The price of the Indian developed AWACS is almost equivalent to the Israeli Phalcon system... each unit will cost roughly Rs. 1800 crores which translates to almost 380 million USD whereas the Phalcon unit costs 360-370 million USD approx...... so it will not be much of a price issue, i think, but more about the flexibility that it offers to India with an in-house AWACS...... Also, now that the Embraer-145 platform has not found favor with the IAF, it will significantly increase costs w.r.t. integrating the AWACS system on a larger aircraft like an Airbus aircraft or Boeing 737/767 or the IL-76...
There is difference in the price issue,The difference being that in the drdo case the money still remains in India, funds Indian companies and creates Indian jobs.i do not know abut the EMB-145 being rejected can you please post me a link for that.
 

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I am referring to your post above in which you posted a news article which mentions that the IAF is not satisfied with the capabilities of Embraer-145...... Also, i am also implying the same thing as you, brother.... developing an AWACS system indegeniously will allow our engineers and scientists to get valuable experience as well as establish a good platform for learning for the domestic defense industry......
 

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I am referring to your post above in which you posted a news article which mentions that the IAF is not satisfied with the capabilities of Embraer-145...... Also, i am also implying the same thing as you, brother.... developing an AWACS system indegeniously will allow our engineers and scientists to get valuable experience as well as establish a good platform for learning for the domestic defense industry......
oh ! well seems i forgot what i posted, thanks for reminding me:)>
 

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Navy proposes to build an Airport in Karwar

Karwar: While Karwar already has a rail, road and port connection; another thing that will be added into this list is the airport. The Indian Navy has proposed to build an airport near Karwar which could be used for civilian and military purposes. The airport would enhance the commercial prospectus in and around Karwar, said Rajiv Jaiswal, Commodore, INS Kadamba, Karwar.

While addressing the presspersons at the naval base on Friday, he asserted that the required land for the airport has been identified and the State Gavernment would have to get hold of more land for this purpose. He requested the local people and State Government to cooperate with this regard.

Mr. Jaiswal notified that Karwar received 230 mm of unprecedented rainfall in just three hours on 2nd October, 2009. At this time, few had claimed that the walls built by the naval authorities led to flash flood around the naval base area. While clearing these claims, he averred that the wall in question had actually blocked the water and prevented loss of more lives and property. He further affirmed that the navy authorities would be more prepared to tackle such situation in future.

The torrential rains and floods that occurred in the beginning of the month this year caused the 700 metres of the wall built by the navy to collapse. Roads in the naval base had been washed away in the floods. Among all these losses, many of the navy personnel's houses were also inundated.

Capt. Manohar Nambiar, Chief Public Relations Officer (Defence), Mumbai, denied allegation that illegal quarrying was being carried out in the navy land.
 

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Indian Naval Station in Madagascar

Indian Navy's hi-tech naval monitoring station started operations in northern Madagascar which will provide the IN with advance ELINT/SIGINT capabilities which will be used to gather intelligence on foreign navies especially USN and PLAAN as well as keep close check on the piracy infested waters of the southwestern Indian Ocean. India is paying 2.5 million USD as lease to Madagascar for this. It will also patrol the coast of Mozambique from this base so as to prevent piracy spreading all the way to South Africa.

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India To Boost Coast Guard's Size, Resources

28 Oct 2009

NEW DELHI - India plans to build up its maritime security agency, the Coast Guard, with additional personnel and assets, a move prompted by the November 2008 attacks on Mumbai by terrorists who arrived by sea.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony, announced Oct. 28 in his address at the Coast Guard Commanders' Conference here that an additional 3,000 Coast Guard personnel will be recruited on an urgent basis, according to a Defence Ministry statement.The minister also announced that the Coast Guard is acquiring 20 fast patrol vehicles, 41 interceptor boats, 12 Dornier coastal surveillance aircraft and seven off-shore patrol vehicles. Work also is in progress on a chain of 46 coastal radars that will link nine coastal stations. Moreover, nine new Coast Guard stations have been approved.

The Coast Guard boost was recommended by a high-level panel the government established in July to regularly review India's coastal security, a senior Navy official said.

Acquisition of the platforms, weapons and other equipment for the Coast Guard will be fast-tracked.

India To Boost Coast Guard's Size, Resources - Defense News
 

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2.5 million USD for how long?ie how long a lease fo we have. also any idea waht assets are being placed there to patrol the mozambique coast and do we have any agreement with the mozambique government for patrolling their coast.
 

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Vice Admiral Ganesh Mahadevan takes over as Chief of Material

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Vice Admiral Ganesh Mahadevan AVSM VSM, currently the Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, will take over as the Chief of Materiel on 31 Oct 09 from Vice Admiral Dilip Deshpande AVSM VSM who retired after 40 years of service.

Vice Admiral Ganesh Mahadevan, an alumnus of NDA was commissioned on 01 Jan 1972. Specialised as an Electrical Officer, he has proved his technical prowess during numerous appointments in Naval Dockyards from the level of Assistant Manager (Design) to finally that as Admiral Superintendent Dockyard (ASD) Visakhapatnam.

At the Naval Headquarters he has the unique experience of having headed, at various times, three different directorates viz. the Directorate of Weapon Engineering, Directorate of Electrical Engineering and the Directorate of Information Technology. Widely acknowledged as a technical ‘whiz’ the Flag Officer has made notable contributions towards development of indigenous weapon and sensor systems.

An alumnus of the National Defence College he served as the Assistance Chief of Material (Information Technology & Systems) as a Rear Admiral. Promoted to the rank of Vice Admiral on 12 Dec 2007, the Flag Officer has been the Director General Naval Project, Visakhapatnam and subsequently the Controller Warship Production and Acquisition (CWP&A) wherein he has been instrumental in shaping policy regarding warship design and construction in the country.

An avid reader, illustrator and sculptor, the Flag Officer is linguistically skilled with a high level of proficiency in Russian.

Vice Admiral NK Nadella will succeed him as CWP&A.

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If we are looking at a wide coverage, why not go for the Global Hawk, it is cheaper to buy and operate, more fuel efficient and can stay in the air for longer.............Does anyone how much does the global hawk cost roughly.............By 2015, I think that we should be able to get our hands on some (The US defence policy permitting)
 

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2.5 million USD for how long?ie how long a lease fo we have. also any idea waht assets are being placed there to patrol the mozambique coast and do we have any agreement with the mozambique government for patrolling their coast.
I don't know about the time frame of the lease period....this amount is for renting the land, so i guess its an annual fee. Yes, we have an defense agreement with Mozambique to patrol their waters and supply arms and ammunition to them which was signed in 2006. Indian Navy provided seaward patrolling and protection during the African Union Summit in Mozambique in 2003 on request from their government. Its not clear as to what assets will be deployed, but mostly naval surveillance aircraft will be used as well as naval ships currently based in this region in the anti-piracy ops.
 

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Viraat to be back in action in a week

Viraat to be back in action in a week

NEW DELHI: The ‘mother’ will be back in action soon. With power projection being the name of the game, India is finally ready to once again deploy its solitary aircraft carrier INS Viraat on the high seas after an almost two-year gap.

INS Viraat is now on the verge of completing its ‘sea-acceptance trials’ and ‘work-up phase’ off Mumbai after an 18-month-long comprehensive refit in Mumbai and Kochi to increase its longevity as well as upgrade its weapon and sensor packages.

Coincidentally enough, the 28,000-tonne old warhorse will also be completing its 50th year as an operational warship this November. Originally commissioned in the British Royal Navy as HMS Hermes in November 1959, it was inducted into the Indian Navy in May 1987.

‘‘Even British officers, who have served on her, are stunned we have managed to prolong its operational life so much. After this refit, it will serve us for at least five years more. It should be ‘full-ops’ in a week or so,’’ said a senior officer.

While Navy is justifiably proud of getting INS Viraat back in action, it’s a telling comment on the Indian defence establishment’s utter lack of long-term strategic planning to build military capabilities in tune with the country’s geopolitical objectives. An aircraft carrier prowling on the high seas, with its accompanying fighter jets tearing into the skies from the mobile airstrip, after all, projects power like nothing else.

US, on its part, has 11 carrier strike groups deployed across the globe to rule the seas. China, in turn, is actively scrambling to get carriers of its own in keeping with its big superpower aspirations. Successive Indian governments, however, been quite apathetic to Navy’s quest to have three aircraft carriers — one each for the eastern and western seaboards, while the third undergoes repairs — to protect the country’s ‘primary area of geopolitical interest’ stretching from Hormuz Strait to Malacca Strait.

The long-delayed 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being built at Cochin Shipyard, for one, will be ready only by 2015. For another, India will get the refurbished 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov, undergoing a refit at the Sevmash Shipyard in North Russia, only by early-2013 now. India and Russia, of course, are still bitterly negotiating Gorshkov’s final refit cost, with the price likely to settle upwards of $ 2.5-billion. There is another big worry for Navy. INS Viraat may be all set to resume duties but it’s left with only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets to operate from its deck.

From 1983 onwards, Navy had inducted 30 of the British-origin Sea Harriers, which take off from the angled ski-jump on INS Viraat and land vertically on its deck, but has lost over half of them in accidents. Be that as it may, the 13-storey high INS Viraat will soldier on — with its motto of Jalamev Yasya, Balamev Tasya (he who controls the sea is all powerful) — for the foreseeable future.

Viraat to be back in action in a week - India - The Times of India
 

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Good news that it's going to be operational soon. Hopefully it will be able to retire peacefully in the next 3 years or so.
 

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midget subs for IN

Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines
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New Delhi, Nov 1 (PTI) To strengthen its capabilities of carrying out special underwater operations in high seas and enemy harbours, the Indian Navy is planning to procure five midget submarines for the Marine Commandos (MARCOS).

Submarines weighing less than 150 tonnes are classified as midgets and are used by the Navies to carry out underwater covert operations and surveillance missions.

The Navy has already initiated the process of procuring these vessels and recently issued a Request for Proposal to Indian shipyards including Hindustan Shipyards Limited, ABG and Pipavav shipyards, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.

Initially, Navy is planning to get only five of these vessels but the inductions can be doubled later on.

The induction of these midgets is part of the Navy's efforts to strengthen its operational capabilities after the 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai last year, sources said.
 

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If we are looking at a wide coverage, why not go for the Global Hawk, it is cheaper to buy and operate, more fuel efficient and can stay in the air for longer.............Does anyone how much does the global hawk cost roughly.............By 2015, I think that we should be able to get our hands on some (The US defence policy permitting)
Mate,the Global Hawk is not an AWACS aircraft, its basically a surveillance aircraft.. the older version (RQ-4A) costs around 38 million USD and the newer one (RQ-4B) around 55-81 million USD. Its has an excellent range and endurance, but i don't think US is willing to sell it as of now since only USAF, USN and NASA are using it currently. Nothing is clear as of now about when US will consider selling it.
 

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