Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Please post a source for your claim. Could you direct me where could I find more details about this?

I have given the source and explanation in the thread of LCA which I gave you before. Here is the source I am giving again:
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...-50th-al31fp-engine-to-iaf/article9920705.ece

The thread with explanation:
https://defenceforumindia.com/forum...ndias-second-supersonic-fighter.76545/page-13

 

[WolfPack86]

India clears way for $2.2-billion frigates deal with Russia

Two weeks after India significantly upgraded its defence ties with the United States through the Comcasa (Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement), the Modi government has cleared the way for one of the biggest purchases from Russia — $2.2-billion frigates deal.

The agreement, which will allow India to procure from Russia four new warships for the Navy, will be signed during a summit between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the Capital in October. Efforts are on to add the finishing touches to the contours of the deal.

The long-pending deal, to procure Project 11356 or advanced Talwar-class frigates, will involve building two of the ships at the Goa Shipyard, while the rest will be bought directly from Russia’s Yantar shipyard.

Sources have told ET that the clearance procedure before the signing is in the final stage and that India could make payments through the rupee-rouble route.

As reported by ET, financial sanctions by the US have complicated purchase of weapons from Moscow as Indian banks are unable to transfer money to defence companies in Russia. An alternative arrangement, to pay in Indian rupee instead of the standard US dollar, is being worked out to partly deal with the matter.

The deal is being processed as a ‘2+2’ scheme where technology will be transferred to Goa Shipyard to construct two of the frigates from scratch. The other two will be delivered faster — possibly within two years — as the hulls of the ships have already been fabricated for a Russian Navy order that got stalled following the Ukrainian crisis. The ship has been designed to work with Ukraine-made gas turbines.

While there were initial discussions to involve the Indian private sector to build two of the ships domestically, the government took a decision to nominate the stateowned Goa Shipyard as it had spare capacity at hand. The Indian-made warships are expected to cost 30-50% more than the direct Russian import due to the cost of building infrastructure and transfer of technology.

India and Russia had signed an intergovernmental agreement to proceed with the deal in October 2016, but price negotiations and technical consultations, which also involved the Indian shipyard, delayed the final clearance, which could be one of the big takeaways from the Modi-Putin summit that is scheduled to take place in Delhi on October 5.

India already operates six of the Talwar-class frigates, but these four to be ordered will be more advanced versions. The warships are to be fitted with the Brahmos missile system and will have significant changes from the older ships as the Navy will have several Indian-made equipment onboard, including sensors and communications. They will add to India’s muscle in the Indian Ocean region.

Among the immediate priorities for the Navy are minesweepers and multi-role helicopters that can be deployed on warships.
.https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[Prashant12]

GRSE to deliver Kavaratti to Navy next year

The fourth and the last anti-submarine warfare (ASW) corvette of the P-28 project – Kavaratti, being constructed at an approximate cost of Rs 1,700 crore by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd (GRSE) in Kolkata, will be delivered to the Indian Navy in May 2019.

"The trials of this warship would commence from March, followed by delivery to the Indian Navy in May 2019," said commander (retired) Soumya Choudhury, general manager (fitting out jetty), GRSE.

Kavaratti, the last in the series of four ASW corvettes that the shipyard is building, has almost 90% of indigenous materials.


The first two ships of this class, INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt were delivered by the shipyard in 2014 and 2015, respectively. The third vessel, INS Kiltan, was delivered in October last year.

Kavaratti was to be handed over by December 2017, but its delivery got delayed to May 2019.

Simultaneously, construction has begun for Project 17A of the Indian Navy, wherein four Shivalik-class frigates would be built by Mumbai-based Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd and the balance three by GRSE.

Talking about P17A, commodore (retired) Sanjeev Nayyar, director, shipbuilding, GRSE, said that the shipyard is ahead of its schedule in constructing the Shivalik-class frigates.

GRSE is set to hit the capital market with its initial public offering next week. Of its total order book of Rs 20,313.61 crore as of June 2018, P17A alone comprises Rs 19,293.46 crore. The first vessel delivery under P17A is scheduled in mid-2023 and the last will be handed over to the Indian Navy in August 2025.

The shipyard is also looking at booking defence orders from South-East Asia, West Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Till date, the company has delivered 97 warships to the Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard and one defence vessel to the Mauritian Coast Guard.

"Discussions are underway on B2B (business-to-business) and G2G (government-to-government) levels for export orders," said GRSE chairman and managing director rear admiral (retired) Vipin Kumar Saxena.

Like Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd, GRSE is also diversifying its business bu undertaking ship repairs for Indian Navy and Indian Coast Guard. At present, the order book or business from this segment is approximately Rs 16 crore, which it intends to increase in the years to come.


The Union government is divesting its 25% holding in GRSE through an offer for sale and expects to raise around Rs 335 crore. The IPO will open on September 24 for three days with a price band of Rs 115-118 per share.

SAILING FAST

• Rs 1,700 cr - Approximate cost involved in the construction of Kavaratti
• Rs 20,313.61 cr – GRSE's order book as of June 2018, of which:
• Rs 16 cr – Is from ship repairs
• Rs 335 cr - The government expects to raise from GRSE IPO

https://www.dnaindia.com/business/r...o-deliver-kavaratti-to-navy-next-year-2663959

 

[Prashant12]

Hindustan Shipyard Limited signs MoU with Defence Ministry


Visakhapatnam: Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) signed an MoU contract worth Rs 2,000 crore with the Ministry of Defence (Indian Navy) for the construction of two diving support vessels.

Rear Admiral LV Sarat Babu, Chairman and Managing Director of HSL, stated that the yard won the bid in a competitive tender involving PSUs and private sector shipyards. The contract signing ceremony was held at MoD, Delhi on Thursday with representatives from MoD, Navy and HSL.Float out of six 10T Bollard Pull Tugs for Indian Navy:
Meanwhile, the HSL created a history of sorts with simultaneous floating of six 10-Ton Bollard Pull Tugs on Thursday, being constructed for Indian Navy in the presence of CMD Rear Admiral LV Sarat Babu.At another function a 50-Ton Bollard Pull Tug, Krittika, built by HSL was handed over to Deputy Chairman of Deendayal Port Trust on Thursday at Kandla, Gujarat, in the presence of port and HSL officials. This is the second vessel which is being delivered in the present fiscal by HSL. The tug has been designed and built by HSL and is capable of developing a 50 Ton Bollard Pull and can achieve speed of 12 knots. The tug is equipped with the state-of- the-art external firefighting equipment. During trials, she has proved her ability to face rough seas. The tug in its maiden voyage to Kandla has undertaken a nonstop 2,200 nautical mile run.

http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/i...imited-signs-MoU-with-Defence-Ministry/413239

 

[Enquirer]

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Defense-firm-Elbit-awarded-173m-Asian-naval-weapons-deal-567627

DEFENSE FIRM ELBIT AWARDED $173M. ASIAN (Indian)NAVAL WEAPONS DEAL
Israel is the 8th largest exporter worldwide of major arms from 2013-17, representing 2.9% of the global share of arms exports.
BY EYTAN HALON

SEPTEMBER 20, 2018 17:54

Remote-controlled naval weapon stations designed by Elbit, September 20, 2018. (photo credit: ELBIT)

Haifa-based defense electronics firm Elbit Systems has been awarded a five-year contract worth $173 million to supply remote-controlled naval weapon stations (RCWS) to an Asian-Pacific country(India), the company announced Thursday.

The company will provide the unnamed country’s (India's) naval forces and coast guard with 12.7 mm. machine guns and ammunition, Elbit Systems’ advanced fire control system and modular electro-optic suite.

Elbit shares on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange rose by more than 3.5% following the announcement.

The company, which is listed on both the Tel Aviv and Nasdaq exchanges, is engaged in a wide range of defense, homeland security and commercial programs throughout the world.

Elbit’s RCWS product is designed not only for naval platforms, but can also be used on ground stationary and mobile platforms, such as armored fighting vehicles and tanks.

According to the company, the system can be equipped with day and night cameras, range finders, laser designator and markers and beam spotlights.

Optional configurations include smoke grenade launchers, modular armor protection, commander operating stations, anti-tank guided missiles and non-lethal weapons.

“We are pleased with this contract award that attests to the quality of our systems,” said Udi Vered, General Manager of Elbit Systems Land and C4I.

“I am confident that the demand for the weapon stations we offer will continue to grow, as customers increasingly recognize our unique capacity to draw on an exceptionally broad portfolio to provide comprehensive operational solutions.”

In March, Elbit announced it had been awarded a $65m. contract over three years to supply a comprehensive search and rescue solution to a similarly unnamed Asian-Pacific country.

Under the agreement, Elbit was contracted to install Airborne Locator Systems and Emergency Locator Transmitters onboard aircraft belonging to the country’s air force, army and navy, as well as to supply thousands of Personal Survival Radio systems.

According to SIBAT, the military exports unit of the Defense Ministry, Israeli military exports in 2017 were valued at $9.2 billion, a 40% increase from the previous year. Of those exports, 58% were distributed to the Asia-Pacific region, followed by 21% to Europe.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, an international body dedicated to conflict research, said in March that Israel was the 8th largest exporter worldwide of major arms from 2013-17, representing 2.9% of the global share of arms exports.

Israel’s main clients during the same period were India, Azerbaijan and Vietnam, with Israeli exports to India increasing by 285% since 2008-2012.

 

[Vorschlaghammer]

Are any new IN vessels coming with CODLAG or CODLOG propulsion ?

 

[binayak95]

Are any new IN vessels coming with CODLAG or CODLOG propulsion ?

The future P18 class DDGs will be IEP. But no plans for CODLAG or CODLOG. Wait.... p28A should be CODLOG. I'll check and come back.

 

[Compersion]

Operation Cactus: there was a flight of Air Force planes over the Maldives.

Everyone talking about the freedom of movement in the seas. Democracy vs non-democratic. Another item for us to take it moot.

Our large navy ships to cross the seas near and of Maldives - the people feel and see the strength - that is the strength of righteousness and righteous. Timing is truth.

Jai Hind

 

[WolfPack86]

Just in: @IndianNavy orders 2 diving support vessels (7,650 ton/118 meters) from Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL). Valued at ₹2,500 crore, ships to be delivered in 2021-22, with one based in Mumbai & another in Visakhapatnam. From Navy statement:

 

[Prashant12]

Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems and MDL win service contract for overhaul of Indian Navy submarine




thyssenkrupp Marine Systems was awarded a high two-digit million euros Medium Refit and Life Certification (MRLC) contract by Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders (MDL) for the overhaul and modernization of the Indian Navy submarine INS Shishumar.

It includes the delivery of new equipment, the maintenance of systems and components, as well as on-site technical support and logistical services in form of documentation, training and spare parts. In addition, it entails a life certification that warrants the operability of the INS Shishumar’s pressure hull for the next decade.

Dr. Rolf Wirtz, CEO of thyssenkrupp Marine Systems: “We are looking forward to working with MDL to perform the deep modernization work to ensure that INS Shishumar remains a very capable combat submarine for the Indian Navy over the years to come. Our experience with the Shishumar class and the outstanding skills of MDL’s employees are the basis for the return of the submarine back to the Indian Navy in great shape.”

Matthias Bergande, MRLC Campaign Manager of thyssenkrupp Marine Systems: “We are happy to partner with MDL, the renowned Indian shipyard, which has proven already in the 1980ies to be capable of building new submarines. This contract once again reiterates our long-standing commitment to the country and represents another cornerstone in maintaining the operational capabilities of the Indian submarine force.”

The refit of the INS Shishumar, which takes place at MDL’s dockyard in Mumbai, is expected to be completed by 2021.

Already in 2016, thyssenkrupp Marine Systems had been awarded a contract to modernize the Harpoon missile system of two other submarines of the same class: the INS Shalki and the INS Shalkul. The modernization of these boats is currently underway. Additionally, ATLAS ELEKTRONIK, which is an Operating Unit of thyssenkrupp Marine Systems since 2017, is currently modernizing the combat and sensor systems of these submarines.

The three aforementioned submarines belong to a batch of four assets that were commissioned between 1986 and 1994. The construction of the first two submarines (INS Shishumar and INS Shankush) took place at the HDW shipyard (now thyssenkrupp Marine Systems) in Kiel, Germany, including an intensive training of MDL employees enabling the construction of the INS Shalki and the INS Shalkul at the MDL dockyard in Mumbai.

TheseSeptember were the first submarines ever to be built in India. The Shishumar class is based on the renowned HDW Class 209, however, it includes a series of specialties including a larger diameter of the pressure hull, a pressure resistant bulkhead, as well as a rescue sphere.

https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/technologies/android-programming-articles-25

 

[sorcerer]

Price Negotiations Completed : Goa Shipyard to build two Stealth Frigates with Russian tech
India has completed the price negotiations for the purchase of four advanced Talwar-class stealth frigates from Russia, two of which will be built at Goa Shipyard Limited, with the deal pegged at close to $2 billion, a source close to the developments said.

Defence ministry officials told TOI they expect the two countries to ink the agreement during the 19th Indo-Russian summit between Russian President Vladamir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi on October 5.

"The price negotiations for Project 1135.6 are complete and broadly the price is around $1.75 billion, which includes the technology transfer to Goa Shipyard," a senior level official said.


Warships to have BrahMos missile system ::

While two stealth frigates will be bought directly from Russia's Yantar Shipyard, United Shipbuilding Corporation, which owns the Kaliningrad-based shipyard, has agreed to transfer the technology for the frigates to Goa Shipyard for an undisclosed price.

"The plan is to develop a strategic capability at Goa Shipyard so that another line is opened up in the country to indigenously build such warships. Almost 50% of the equipment will be indigenized. The BrahMos missile system will be integrated on the warship. The aim is to indigenously integrate the combat management system (CMS) which will be a challenge," the source said.

India inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) with Russia for the four frigates during a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the 2016 BRICS Summit in Goa.

Government official say that if the two nations finalize the deal this October, then construction of the two frigates can commence by 2020 and the first guided missile frigate can be delivered by GSL in 2025.

The curbs imposed by US through the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) remains a wrinkle for the deal and India and Russia are still trying to hammer out a solution to bypass the US sanctions. "The payment method has not been finalized and the government at various levels is engaging in discussions," sources said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...h-russian-technology/articleshow/65987809.cms

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

. Almost 50% of the equipment will be indigenized.

This is too less. India already has capability in MDL, GRSE etc and getting capability in GSL only required cooperation between MDL and GSL. We can get additional personnel trained at MDL and then deputed to GSL to get the expertise. Similarly, the equipments can be obtained from other Indian ports too.

The frigate deal makes no sense at all considering that only 50% is indigenised. We need 100% indigenisation. Kolkata class, for example, was almost fully indigenous. Why get imports in such cases?

 

[vampyrbladez]

This is too less. India already has capability in MDL, GRSE etc and getting capability in GSL only required cooperation between MDL and GSL. We can get additional personnel trained at MDL and then deputed to GSL to get the expertise. Similarly, the equipments can be obtained from other Indian ports too.

The frigate deal makes no sense at all considering that only 50% is indigenised. We need 100% indigenisation. Kolkata class, for example, was almost fully indigenous. Why get imports in such cases?

MDL, CSL and GRSE are the only Naval Shipyards capable of big projects today. To increase production one must increase capacity. Training additional personnel will do no good if no infrastructure is available. That's why HSL is being targeted for upgrades to production facilities via this deal.

P 15A/B has MF STAR and Barak 8 from Israel, BrahMos as JV with Russia, Atlas Sonar from ThyssenKrupp, Germany, propeller shafts from Ukraine, 76mm gun via BHEL/Oto Melara JV and 127mm gun from BaE to name a few components imported/obtained through JV.

This deal allows us to also placate Russia which is obviously unhappy with stalling in FGFA. Overall costs are outweighed by gains in this deal.

 

[kamaal]

This is too less. India already has capability in MDL, GRSE etc and getting capability in GSL only required cooperation between MDL and GSL. We can get additional personnel trained at MDL and then deputed to GSL to get the expertise. Similarly, the equipments can be obtained from other Indian ports too.

The frigate deal makes no sense at all considering that only 50% is indigenised. We need 100% indigenisation. Kolkata class, for example, was almost fully indigenous. Why get imports in such cases?

Russian frigate are lighter and more agile compared to our Shiwalik class, which weighs at 6000+ tons but carry the same firepower. I think its a good opportunity for our shipbuilders to learn and incorporate some tech in the upcoming P-17A.

 

[shiphone]

the summer vacation of GE group is over as usual ...some Updates comes....
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1. dock repair/refit of carrier.

2. one month after the crane accident at GRSE

 

[Steven Rogers]

Russian frigate are lighter and more agile compared to our Shiwalik class, which weighs at 6000+ tons but carry the same firepower. I think its a good opportunity for our shipbuilders to learn and incorporate some tech in the upcoming P-17A.

Despite that Shivalik class frigates are the best performers in the Indian navy.

 

[vampyrbladez]

the summer vacation of GE group is over as usual ...some Updates comes....
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1. dock repair/refit of carrier.

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2. one month after the crane accident at GRSE

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GRSE will still deliver the ship on time. Hakka Noodles what are you implying at?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Despite that Shivalik class frigates are the best performers in the Indian navy.

Talwar class will allow our fleet to grow exponentially. 3 + 3 + 4 Talwar Class and 3 + 7 P 17/A Class.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Talwar class will allow our fleet to grow exponentially. 3 + 3 + 4 Talwar Class and 3 + 7 P 17/A Class.

And will be costing a decade of time to enter the service if construction has to start today .

 

[sorcerer]

Indian naval ship on port call to Israeli city to deepen defence ties

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