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Sir,while i was surfing other defence forums i came across an ex-I.N. pilot like you who was claiming that the I.N. will surely order another batch of around 45 Mig-29K from Russia in the near future and the funny thing is that he was quite confident about this information and claimed that he has got it from an inside source in I.N.so can you verify this information sir?
It was the same guy. :D

Anyway, in 2009 IN sent out a RFI to manufacturers.

Dassault, Boeing, LM, EADS, MiG and Saab should have replied to these. Out of these it doesn't look like MiG, Saab and EADS will be able to bid because they don't have a CATOBAR capable aircraft.

So options are between Rafale-M, F-35C and SH B3.

Lockheed to offer fifth generation F-35 fighters to Navy - Times Of India

It is yet to be seen if IN will hold a tender or simply buy Rafale-Ms directly from Dassault. The offer was to purchase 36 aircraft with an option for 36 more. Later, after the IAF MRCA winner was announced, there were officials who said that there would be another tender for 80 aircraft (40+40, I suppose) in the future.

Decklander claims we would purchase 36 Rafale-Ms directly from Dassault while I am keeping my fingers crossed for another MRCA tender.
 

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It was the same guy. :D

Anyway, in 2009 IN sent out a RFI to manufacturers.

Dassault, Boeing, LM, EADS, MiG and Saab should have replied to these. Out of these it doesn't look like MiG, Saab and EADS will be able to bid because they don't have a CATOBAR capable aircraft.

So options are between Rafale-M, F-35C and SH B3.

Lockheed to offer fifth generation F-35 fighters to Navy - Times Of India

It is yet to be seen if IN will hold a tender or simply buy Rafale-Ms directly from Dassault. The offer was to purchase 36 aircraft with an option for 36 more. Later, after the IAF MRCA winner was announced, there were officials who said that there would be another tender for 80 aircraft (40+40, I suppose) in the future.

Decklander claims we would purchase 36 Rafale-Ms directly from Dassault while I am keeping my fingers crossed for another MRCA tender.
That article is over three years old; seems we should have heard something by now. From an Indian standpoint, it seems the ideal solution would be to take this opportunity to gain experience in developing your own CATOBAR options. My understanding is that the Mig-29K was originally designed with that possibility in mind because the Soviets (at that time) hadn't yet decided on which method of launch to use. If that's really the case, it might be possible for India to develop its own retrofit program for the aircraft. This would enhance Indian industrial expertise, and offer commonality across the fleet (I don't think Vikramaditya can actually support Rafale or F-35C due to its limited facilities and tiny elevator; plus, I have doubts that either would do well off a ramp). Should it turn out that the Mig-29Ks need to be supplemented with something more advanced, you can always buy a few F-35Cs (Rafale-M would only offer slight enhancement) or develop your own fighter with knowledge gained during the above mentioned retrofit.
 

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That article is over three years old; seems we should have heard something by now.
The RFI translating to a RFP takes time. This also depends on the Navy's priorities. For eg: The RFP may be announced once our fiscal deficit improves and economic conditions are more stable. Currently some capital expenditures are on the back burner, the N-MRCA may be among them.

From an Indian standpoint, it seems the ideal solution would be to take this opportunity to gain experience in developing your own CATOBAR options.
I don't think there is any program currently for CATOBAR aircraft, nor will there be any in the future. Even for AMCA, the Navy has not shown interest in the aircraft.

My understanding is that the Mig-29K was originally designed with that possibility in mind because the Soviets (at that time) hadn't yet decided on which method of launch to use. If that's really the case, it might be possible for India to develop its own retrofit program for the aircraft.
The entire landing carriage has to be replaced. Not possible on the current batch of Mig-29Ks. It doesn't look like the Navy will be interested in the Mig-29K anyway when better aircraft like Rafale-M, F-35 and SH B3 are available.


(I don't think Vikramaditya can actually support Rafale or F-35C due to its limited facilities and tiny elevator; plus, I have doubts that either would do well off a ramp).
Rafale-M can be used on Gorky. It is as small as the Mig-29K.

F-35B has been designed to function from smaller carriers than Gorky. So it can be used too. It is of the same size as Rafale-M.

F-35C and SH, no chance.

Should it turn out that the Mig-29Ks need to be supplemented with something more advanced, you can always buy a few F-35Cs (Rafale-M would only offer slight enhancement) or develop your own fighter with knowledge gained during the above mentioned retrofit.
I'm hoping for a F-35B/C too. But it all depends on what LM is willing to offer.
 

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Rafale-M can be used on Gorky. It is as small as the Mig-29K.

F-35B has been designed to function from smaller carriers than Gorky. So it can be used too. It is of the same size as Rafale-M.
F-35B and Rafale-M don't have wing-fold; so explain to me how either is going to fit down the Gorky's elevator-hole... which looks to be just barely large enough to handle a folded-up Mig-29K (I reserve the right to be wrong if someone can provide a reliable source that has the lift's exact dimentions).
 

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New Navy post to manage air assets
Rear Admiral Srinivas Kanugo has been appointed the first officer to the newly-created post of Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Air material) in the Navy.

Kanugo assumed his office on Wednesday, a Navy statement said here on Friday. "The post has been created as a single point of responsibility for all matters related to aviation technical management of the burgeoning air arm of the Navy," the release said adding: "The office will be responsible for planning and co-ordination of new induction air equipment and systems, repair and overhaul of all existing aircraft, aero engines and associated equipment and systems as well as provisioning of air stores."

The Navy's air arm operates over 20 different types, including fighters, fixed wing maritime reconnaissance aircraft, helicopters and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, all numbering over 200 platforms.
http://newindianexpress.com/nation/New-Navy-post-to-manage-air-assets/2013/07/20/article1692473.ece
 

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A U.S. navy F14-A tomcat (From USS carl vinson)intercepting an indian navy Tupolev tu-142 mk-e in 1988.

 

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I think It's a training Exercise
USS Carl Vinson was in Persian Gulf in 1988.
Carl Vinson and CVW-15 departed for the ship's fourth overseas deployment on 15 June 1988. While on station the carrier supported Operation Earnest Will, the escort of U.S. flagged tankers in the Persian Gulf. The carrier returned to the States on 16 December 1988 and was awarded the Admiral Flatley Memorial Award for aviation safety for 1988.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carl_Vinson_(CVN-70)#1980s
 

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Personally, I think the odds are good that Indian Navy will purchase a number of F-35B's and/or F-35C's in the future. As a Naval Version of the PAK-FA is really to big to operate effectively from either the Vikramaditya or Vikrant. In addition Russia hasn't even started it's development. Which, considering the limited numbered needed would be extremely expensive. So, by time it's ready the F-35 will be a mature design with a far lower price.
 

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Personally, I think the odds are good that Indian Navy will purchase a number of F-35B's and/or F-35C's in the future. As a Naval Version of the PAK-FA is really to big to operate effectively from either the Vikramaditya or Vikrant...
And the F-35 (B or C) isn't? You really need to go over the numbers again; the F-35 is a heavy beast. Seriously, even I have to admit that a navalized FGFA would do better off a ramp (which still wouldn't be great). Vikramaditya is unlikely to operate anything other than the Mig-29K/NLCA due to obvious limitations that have been mentioned repeatedly. The Vikrant might handle the B-model if they're desperate for naval VLO platforms, but the only realistic chance the F-35 has for Indian service is the C-model on IAC-2........ maybe.
 

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Eye on future, India mulls options for nuclear-powered aircraft carrier

Nothing projects raw power like an aircraft carrier prowling on the high seas, capable of unleashing strike fighters against an adversary in a jiffy. A nuclear-powered carrier can make the punch even deadlier with much longer operational endurance.

With its first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) set to be "launched" at Cochin Shipyard on August 12, and sea trials of the first nuclear submarine INS Arihant to begin shortly after, India is now examining the possibility of having a nuclear-powered 65,000-tonne carrier in the future.

Navy vice-chief Vice Admiral RK Dhowan on Thursday said a "detailed study" was underway on the "size, type of aircraft and their launch and recovery systems, propulsion" and the like for the IAC-II project. "Yes, we are also considering nuclear propulsion. All options are being studied. No final decision has been taken," he said.

There are huge cost issues with nuclear-powered carriers, which can easily take upwards of $10 billion to build. The Royal British Navy is reverting to carriers propelled by gas turbines/diesel-electric systems from nuclear ones.

However, the US has 11 Nimitz-class "super-carriers" — each an over 94,000-tonne behemoth powered by two nuclear reactors and capable of carrying 80-90 fighters - to project power around the globe. China, too, is now looking at nuclear-powered carriers after inducting its first conventional carrier — the 65,000-tonne Liaoning — last September.

So, while Navy may want a nuclear-powered carrier, it will ultimately have to be a considered political decision. The force, however, is firm about its long-term plan to operate three carrier-battle groups (CBGs). "One carrier for each (western and eastern) seaboard and one in maintenance," said Vice Admiral Dhowan.

But, even two CBGs will be possible only by 2019. The 40,000-tonne IAC, to be christened INS Vikrant, will be ready for induction only by December 2018, as was first reported by TOI.

"Design and construction of a carrier has many challenges. Around 75% of the IAC structure has now been erected. India joins only four countries — the US, Russia, the UK and France - capable of building a carrier over 40,000-tonne," he said.

The 44,570-tonne INS Vikramaditya - or the Admiral Gorshkov carrier now undergoing sea trials after a $2.33-billion refit in Russia - in turn will be ready by end-2013 instead of the original August 2008 deadline.

Vice Admiral Dhowan admitted India's solitary carrier, the 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, will soldier on till 2018 due to these long delays. The 54-year-old INS Viraat is left with just 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets to operate from its deck. The 45 MiG-29K naval fighters, being procured from Russia for over $2 billion, can operate only from Vikramaditya and IAC.

The 260-metre-long IAC, whose construction finally began in November 2006, will be able to carry 12 MiG-29Ks, eight Tejas Light Combat Aircraft and 10 early-warning and anti-submarine helicopters on its 2.5-acre flight deck and hangars. It will have a crew of 160 officers and 1,400 sailors. Powered by four American LM2500 gas turbines, the IAC will have an endurance of around 7,500 nautical miles at a speed of 18 knots.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Eye-on-future-India-mulls-options-for-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier/articleshow/21536515.cms
 

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@Kunal Biswas sir,a small question for you-can the Tu-142MKE of the I.N. carry any sort of of anti-shipping missile like Klub-S or Sea Eagle?i read somewhere that the I.N. was gonna modify these aircrafts to carry the air launched version of Brahmos(btw according to the source it could carry 6 Brahmos missles at a time),is there any update on this?
 
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