Indian Naval Aviation

[nitesh]

Raytheon's APY-10 radar to be on Indian P-8I Maritime Surveillance Aircraft

 

[nandu]

MiG-29K sales might tip scales for Fulcrum

Recent orders for the Mikoyan MiG-29K may pave the way for further successes for the sea-going version of the "Fulcrum," according to RSK MiG. A first batch of MiG-29Ks and KUB trainers for the Indian navy was followed by a second order this March for 29 aircraft. Meanwhile, the Russian navy has decided to buy 26 MiG-29K/KUBs to replace its Sukhoi Su-33s.
RSK MiG highlights the type's low cost, about $40 million, compared to its Western rivals as its key selling point, while offering similar levels of capability. In India, the adoption of the MiG-29K by the navy may influence the air force in the selection of its land-based medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) fighter, for which the related MiG-35 is one of six competitors. The navy may also look for more aircraft should it extend its short-takeoff-but-arrested-recovery (STOBAR) aircraft carrier fleet beyond the current two vessels.
In the early 1990s, the initial MiG-29K version lost out to the Sukhoi Su-33 to provide the Russian navy with a carrier-borne fighter. But as the service looks to a new generation of STOBAR vessels, the MiG-29K has come back into favor, following successful trials aboard the current carrier Admiral Kuznetsov last fall.

Russian navy chief Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky said the service will acquire three to six new carriers, the design of which should be finalized by the end of this year. This is very good news for MiG, which expects to provide the fighter force for all of them.
There is also significant interest among countries in Southeast Asia for the acquisition of affordable carrier capability, especially in the light of China's carrier program. The low cost of the MiG-29K places it in a good position, should such ambitions crystallize into firm requirements.

http://idrw.org/?p=2520

 

[Crusader53]

MiG-29K sales might tip scales for Fulcrum

Recent orders for the Mikoyan MiG-29K may pave the way for further successes for the sea-going version of the "Fulcrum," according to RSK MiG. A first batch of MiG-29Ks and KUB trainers for the Indian navy was followed by a second order this March for 29 aircraft. Meanwhile, the Russian navy has decided to buy 26 MiG-29K/KUBs to replace its Sukhoi Su-33s.
RSK MiG highlights the type's low cost, about $40 million, compared to its Western rivals as its key selling point, while offering similar levels of capability. In India, the adoption of the MiG-29K by the navy may influence the air force in the selection of its land-based medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) fighter, for which the related MiG-35 is one of six competitors. The navy may also look for more aircraft should it extend its short-takeoff-but-arrested-recovery (STOBAR) aircraft carrier fleet beyond the current two vessels.
In the early 1990s, the initial MiG-29K version lost out to the Sukhoi Su-33 to provide the Russian navy with a carrier-borne fighter. But as the service looks to a new generation of STOBAR vessels, the MiG-29K has come back into favor, following successful trials aboard the current carrier Admiral Kuznetsov last fall.

Russian navy chief Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky said the service will acquire three to six new carriers, the design of which should be finalized by the end of this year. This is very good news for MiG, which expects to provide the fighter force for all of them.
There is also significant interest among countries in Southeast Asia for the acquisition of affordable carrier capability, especially in the light of China's carrier program. The low cost of the MiG-29K places it in a good position, should such ambitions crystallize into firm requirements.

http://idrw.org/?p=2520

With all do respect it sounds more like propaganda to me........First, if India was so thrilled with the Mig-29K. Why would the Indian Navy just put out a RFI for a new Naval Fighter??? Hardly a winning endorsement of the Fulcrum. Nor, one un-noticed by the Indian Air Force.


Also, this talk about Russia acquiring 3-6 more Carriers is well laughable. It doesn't have the funds to develop such a Carrier. Let alone build a fleet of 3-6 of them. As a matter of fact just finding the funds to Refit the Kuznetsov and order a small number of Mig-29K's for itself. Is about all it can do at this stage.

 

[EagleOne]

Raytheon services India's Phalanx
Raytheon and India's Elcome Marine Services have completed inspection and maintenance on two Phalanx Close-in Weapon Systems for the Indian navy.

The company, which is in talks with India on acquiring additional Phalanx systems, said the service was performed on the INS Jalashwa.

The Jalashwa landing platform dock was transferred to India by the U.S. government in 2007 and has two Phalanx Block 1 systems on board.

"Raytheon and Elcome worked together to complete this project in just a few days," said Cynthia Davis, Raytheon Missile Systems vice president of International Business Development. "The Indian navy now has two highly effective Phalanx systems to defend the INS Jalashwa and its sailors."

The Phalanx Block 1 configuration features a 20mm Gatling gun, which can fire armor-piercing rounds at 4,500 rounds per minute. It also includes an advanced search and track Ku-band radar with closed-loop spotting technology to provide autonomous target detection and engagement.

Raytheon said it is talking with the Indian government on upgrading Block 1 configurations on its ships and purchasing additional Phalanx systems.

http://idrw.org/?p=2634

 

[luckyy]

The Phalanx Block 1 configuration features a 20mm Gatling gun, which can fire armor-piercing rounds at 4,500 rounds per minute. It also includes an advanced search and track Ku-band radar with closed-loop spotting technology to provide autonomous target detection and engagement.

http://idrw.org/?p=2634

what type of protection these gun bullets will provide to the ship in todays war senario...?

amarican will only give us WW2 technology !!!

 

[Rahul Singh]

With all do respect it sounds more like propaganda to me........First, if India was so thrilled with the Mig-29K. Why would the Indian Navy just put out a RFI for a new Naval Fighter??? Hardly a winning endorsement of the Fulcrum. Nor, one un-noticed by the Indian Air Force.

Are you aware that IAF first sent RFI for new AJTs and later repeated order for more HAWKs. RFI for new naval MRCA have been sent to many and one among them is ROSOBORONEXPORT. So one should be surprised if Navy repeats IAF's because it is still RFI not RFP.

Also, this talk about Russia acquiring 3-6 more Carriers is well laughable. It doesn't have the funds to develop such a Carrier. Let alone build a fleet of 3-6 of them. As a matter of fact just finding the funds to Refit the Kuznetsov and order a small number of Mig-29K's for itself. Is about all it can do at this stage.

Do you know Russia is buying french Mistral LHDs? Tell me, if a navy can buy costlier than costliest french systems, here 21,300 ton LHDs then why it can't build 3-6 aircraft carriers by themselves? For your information Russia is making huge money and will be making more as IAF is buying more MKIs and will be buying huge number of Indo-Russian FGFA. In addition to these, Russia is re-entering into civilian airliner market and these are very few examples among many which will increase Russia's wealth in future. Wake-up, this not 1990-2000 but 2010.

 

[sandeepdg]

what type of protection these gun bullets will provide to the ship in todays war senario...?

amarican will only give us WW2 technology !!!

Mate, you are seriously uninformed about the capabilities of an Close-In Weapon System, a crucial component of a surface warship's self defense system !! I suggest you read my thread about CIWS, you will understand the importance of the Phalanx like systems in Naval warfare.

Here is the link:
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php/9254-CIWS-Close-In-Warfare-System

 

[Yusuf]

what type of protection these gun bullets will provide to the ship in todays war senario...?

amarican will only give us WW2 technology !!!

They are there on American ships and they are refining it even more with the new laser system. It is the last line of defence when you have to throw everything including the kitchen sink to save your boat.

 

[luckyy]

Mate, you are seriously uninformed about the capabilities of an Close-In Weapon System, a crucial component of a surface warship's self defense system !! I suggest you read my thread about CIWS, you will understand the importance of the Phalanx like systems in Naval warfare.

Here is the link:
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php/9254-CIWS-Close-In-Warfare-System

you are living in WW2 if you say 20mm gun going to provide defense system to a war ship...
what's the range of these 20mm gun...2000m , that's it...

inpresent war senario not even in wildest of case that a enemy aircraft/heli going to came so near to a warship ..

war ships will be targetted by a incoming fighter plane which will fire missile at it from a distance of 100km....and these war ship will be tagetted from a distance of 200km by Harpoon like cruse missiles....

 

[Rahul Singh]

what type of protection these gun bullets will provide to the ship in todays war senario...?

Actually any decent warship has layered defenses against threats from air e.g anti-ship cruise missiles. At long ranges a ship engages incoming threats with long range SAMs but when somehow SAM fails to intercept hostile missile then at close ranges(WVR) a Close In Weapon System, which can either be a radar controlled gun/cannon like Kashtan, or very short range radar guided SAMs like 'Sea RAM' or combination of both engages the threat. As Yusuf said, It is mainly the last resort against threats.

Phalanx CIWS(Gun based)

Sea Ram (missile based)

This clip is from movie "The sum of all fears" which clearly illustrates why CIWS is needed and how it works. System in action is Phalanx

 

[luckyy]

They are there on American ships and they are refining it even more with the new laser system. It is the last line of defence when you have to throw everything including the kitchen sink to save your boat.

neither the 20mm gun bullet nor your kitchen sink going to stop the incoming missle to hit your boat...

 

[Rahul Singh]

What if some 200 HE bullets hit missile in matter of seconds. Least they will cause is destruction of control surfaces making a sea skimming missile hit water before ship. However same is true in case of sub-sonic missiles only not against Brahmos kind.

 

[sandeepdg]

you are living in WW2 if you say 20mm gun going to provide defense system to a war ship...
what's the range of these 20mm gun...2000m , that's it...

inpresent war senario not even in wildest of case that a enemy aircraft/heli going to came so near to a warship ..

war ships will be targetted by a incoming fighter plane which will fire missile at it from a distance of 100km....and these war ship will be tagetted from a distance of 200km by Harpoon like cruse missiles....

It seems you didn't go through this thread that I mentioned !! As Rahul and Yusuf have mentioned, the CIWS includes both anti-missile missile and multiple gun systems which are used to destroy any incoming missile against a surface warship. All major naval forces in the world use some sort of CIWS systems on their surface warships. US Navy uses the Phalanx, Russian navy uses the Kashtan, British and Dutch navies use the Goalkeeper CIWS system, Italian navy uses the Dardo, Chinese navy uses the Type 730 CIWS system. If you go through the thread, you will see some great videos posted by members showing how the CIWS systems are able to neutralize the threat from incoming missiles.

 

[RAM]

Indian Navy to procure 17 Hawk trainer aircraft from HAL

(PTI): The Indian Navy has placed orders for 17 'Hawk' trainer aircraft for its fighter pilots with Defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on Friday.sources told PTI here that the deal for supply of the 17 trainer aircraft was signed for worth Rs 3,042 crore.

The Bangalore-based HAL would be supplying the trainer aircraft to the Navy's air arm in three years beginning 2013.

The Indian Navy orders comes at a time when India is in the process of finalising the terms of reference with the UK-based aircraft manufacturer BAE Systems for buying an additional 57 Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT).

This would be a follow-on order that would place with the BAE Systems but the facilities.

Of the 57 to be ordered, 40 would go to the IAF and the rest 17 to the Navy.

In 2004, India had signed a deal with BAE to purchase 66 Hawk AJT worth Rs 6,600 crore. India has already received 24 aircraft in a fly-away condition and the rest 42 are under production at HAL.

The Hawk can also be used as a combat aircraft and it is at present being used by the IAF for advanced stage-three training for rookie IAF fighter pilots.

The AJTs can fly at a maximum speed of 1.2 times the speed of sound

http://www.brahmand.com/news/Indian-Navy-to-procure-17-Hawk-trainer-aircraft-from-HAL/4539/3/13.html

 

[Agantrope]

As like Sathish said in another thread, How about reviving the Yak-141 program? It is a potent fighter if it evolves

 

[Rahul Singh]

I don't think it is a potent fighter considering age old limitations attached to VTOLs. And back in 90s, Navy has considered YAK-41/141 for proposed ADS but they found out that this jet is inferior to Sea Harriers jumping jets they were already flying, So they decided against it.

 

[JHA]

We should not get involved in every product which looks good on paper...Our economy is not that great to support this useless expenditure..At most we will be buying ~50 of YAKs...Is it profitable to pump millions to develop this and then buy 50 of these...Instead we should work on getting SITARA up to the mark (if HAL/NAL can do it..) or, else focus on HAWKx..

 

[youngindian]

Boeing P-8i with India-built subsystems completes design review



http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defe...ndia-built subsystems completes design review

 

[SATISH]

As like Sathish said in another thread, How about reviving the Yak-141 program? It is a potent fighter if it evolves

No Agan I will never suggest the Freestyler to the Navy....It will be a good addition to our Army Aviation wing...But not for fleet defence.

 

[Aathithya2]

Top LCA-Navy Team In Russia For Talks
BY: AviationWeek.com

A high-level naval delegation from the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – the government makers of India's much-anticipated Light Combat Aircraft (LCA-Navy) – is currently in Russia for contract negotiations and issues related to the program's shore-based test facility (SBTF).

A senior official from the Defense Research & Development Organization (DRDO) told AVIATION WEEK that the team is being lead by Satish Babu, the financial advisor to DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat, who is also ADA's director general. LCA Navy Program Director C.D. Balaji is also on the ADA team.

"The team is currently holding contract negotiations with Russia's Rosoboronesport. The talks are mainly revolving around SBTF, that's coming up at the Naval Air Station, Goa, to flight-test LCA naval variants," the official said.

A naval prototype of LCA-Navy was officially rolled out by Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony on July 6. The SBTF would be the Indian Navy's first such facility.

"Building the SBTF in Goa is a huge technological challenge for ADA and the Indian Navy, and Russian help is critical. It will have to be an exact ship-on-the-shore facility based on India's Indigenous Aircraft Carrier being built at Cochin Shipyard," the official said. "The measurements are the same as IAC and it must have all equipment to simulate an aircraft carrier with ski-jump and arrested recovery. Hence, the current project review being undertaken with the Russians is crucial in many ways."

The SBTF is critical to the program because ADA will be conducting carrier suitability tests for LCA-Navy in Goa after the initial flight trials for the current two prototypes are completed in Bengaluru. ADA hopes to have the ramp for the takeoff area ready by the end of 2011 and the landing area completed by 2012. A full-fledged telemetry unit is also being constructed in Goa as part of SBTF.

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