Indian Naval Aviation

[Crusader53]

the NLCA which will serve with IN will be the MkII version of the current LCA ,which includes ASEA radar , more powerfull engine and better elctronic warfare system , so as of now we cant say which aircraft is better,so lets refrain from doing so

I have no problem stating the J-10 isn't better than the (N) LCA. As long as some members don't make the reserve claim........Respectfully

 

[Crusader53]

Crusader. China Dosent have an AC till 2012. and we will have 2 CBG in 2012. Chinese still are testing their aircrafts to fly on their aircrafts. They need to develop tactics for it. We have operated an AC since 1950s and we are well versed in it. Having a weapon system and having a tactics for weapon system is different. Having just one of them wont work. The PLAAF has a very strong air arm. I don't deny it. But what does PLAN have? A few shore based J-8 Finback. We already have a squadron of Harriers armed with BVRAAM Derby and the Python-V. And there is an order of MiG 29k for 2 squadrons already. And the Naval LCA and the N-MMRCA is on the anvil.

I never told the J 10 is a bad aircraft. It is good but it is not going on the aircraft carrier. The J 11B (ripped of SU 33 Prototype) is going o be usd. They still dont know how the real Su 33 looks like. The bought the transfer of the T 10K and not the Su 33.

You need to understand the naval tactics when it comes to Carrier battles. A high end fighter is an asset. But it is always hit by availability problems. That is why the whole world has moved away from the heavy air superiority aircrafts to the medium weight aircrafts. The Kuznetsov will be carrying the MiG 29k and you know why? The amount of fuel and weapons carried by the Su 33 from the Kuznetsov is as good as the MiG 29 K carrying the same payload. The number of aircrafts carried by the AC is also higher thus increasing the availability of the aircraft for missions. US navy also dropped the F 22 design for the less stealthy F 35 why? This was the same reason. The USN retired the F 14D because of high operating costs and lesser availability.

Well, India may have the lead for a short while with the Vikramaditya and the first IAC. Yet, if ex-Varyag enters service around the same time. To be followed a few short years later by its own Future Carrier. The odds could be even.......Of course the Type of Aircraft Operated by both will be paramount.


BTW India has Carrier Experience. Yet, only STOVL Harriers and Helicopters. Which, is very different than Conventional Carrier Aircraft. Which, is not to say that India doesn't have a lead. Just not a great as you may think........Especially, if Ukraine and Brazil provide help to China.

Personally, I would be surprised to see India and the US, France, and the UK. Develope closer ties in Carrier Aviation.

 

[AJSINGH]

Well, India may have the lead for a short while with the Vikramaditya and the first IAC. Yet, if ex-Varyag enters service around the same time. To be followed a few short years later by its own Future Carrier. The odds could be even.......Of course the Type of Aircraft Operated by both will be paramount.


BTW India has Carrier Experience. Yet, only STOVL Harriers and Helicopters. Which, is very different than Conventional Carrier Aircraft. Which, is not to say that India doesn't have a lead. Just not a great as you may think........Especially, if Ukraine and Brazil provide help to China.

Personally, I would be surprised to see India and the US, France, and the UK. Develope closer ties in Carrier Aviation.

" few years later" china will need more than just few years to come up AC of their own , ex-Varyag is not operational yet ,let alone new AC. Ukraine has no intention to help china .We will have th lead in conventional AC operation when Vikramaditya arrives

 

[Crusader53]

" few years later" china will need more than just few years to come up AC of their own , ex-Varyag is not operational yet ,let alone new AC. Ukraine has no intention to help china .We will have th lead in conventional AC operation when Vikramaditya arrives

I hope so............Yet, I think you really underestimate China. VERY VERY DANGEROUS

 

[SATISH]

Well, India may have the lead for a short while with the Vikramaditya and the first IAC. Yet, if ex-Varyag enters service around the same time. To be followed a few short years later by its own Future Carrier. The odds could be even.......Of course the Type of Aircraft Operated by both will be paramount.


BTW India has Carrier Experience. Yet, only STOVL Harriers and Helicopters. Which, is very different than Conventional Carrier Aircraft. Which, is not to say that India doesn't have a lead. Just not a great as you may think........Especially, if Ukraine and Brazil provide help to China.

Personally, I would be surprised to see India and the US, France, and the UK. Develope closer ties in Carrier Aviation.

Why do you tend to forget INS Vikrant retired in 1997 was a conventional aircraft in the start with CATOBAR capability. You overestimate the Chinese Carrier.

 

[Crusader53]

Why do you tend to forget INS Vikrant retired in 1997 was a conventional aircraft in the start with CATOBAR capability. You overestimate the Chinese Carrier.

What was the last year that India Operated Conventional Carrier Fighters.........


BTW I would rather over estimate my opponent than to under estimate one.......Especially, with lives of my Armed Forces and Civilians on the line!

 

[SATISH]

What was the last year that India Operated Conventional Carrier Fighters.........


BTW I would rather over estimate my opponent than to under estimate one.......Especially, with lives of my Armed Forces and Civilians on the line!

Whatever the year our aircraft carriers are going to be for fleet defence. and Viraat and Vikrant operated the Sea harriers still used by the royal navy. And MiG 29K is as good as the F 18s on the American AC. Harriers are jump jets and are still a potent platform till the F-35B arrives. So we are far more advance than the Chinese navy in CBG tactics. And we will have two AC when compared to one of the Chinese.

You never overestimate or underestimate the enemy. You estimate his strengths and weaknesses exactly for a victory.

 

[AJSINGH]

i think AC is one are where we are ahead than the chinnese , we should maintain that lead

 

[Crusader53]

i think AC is one are where we are ahead than the chinnese , we should maintain that lead

Which, is my whole point of acquiring the F-35. You don't want to be as good as you opponent or even a little better. You want to wipe him out......on the first pass!

 

[SATISH]

Which, is my whole point of acquiring the F-35. You don't want to be as good as you opponent or even a little better. You want to wipe him out......on the first pass!

By the time we get the F 35 the Naval PAKFA might be flying. Look at the order book. Its friggin' huge.

 

[AJSINGH]

Which, is my whole point of acquiring the F-35. You don't want to be as good as you opponent or even a little better. You want to wipe him out......on the first pass!

look Mig29K is doing just fine, also IN is not crazy enough to buy 45 Mig29k without taking consideration of potential enemies

 

[Crusader53]

By the time we get the F 35 the Naval PAKFA might be flying. Look at the order book. Its friggin' huge.

You will not get a Naval PAK-FA before the F-35 is available if at all. Plus, as I have stated before the PAK-FA is to larger for the IAC-2 let alone IAC-1.

Clearly, from several sources the Indian Navy is very interested in the F-35. Especially, the larger and more capable "C' Model.

 

[SATISH]

You will not get a Naval PAK-FA before the F-35 is available if at all. Plus, as I have stated before the PAK-FA is to larger for the IAC-2 let alone IAC-1.

Clearly, from several sources the Indian Navy is very interested in the F-35. Especially, the larger and more capable "C' Model.

IAC 2 will be deployed in 2017...my most optimisticdate...but the F 35C wont even be ready by then. There is a huge order list infront. The Ford and QE class AC must be equipped first and the F 18s must be retired too. So what do you want us to do?...float an AC without an aircraft on it? my optimistic levels of equipping the IACs with fifth gen aircraft might take place by 2022. Even then F 35 must be on offer to us and our economy must be robust enough to buy it.

 

[AJSINGH]

IAC 2 will be deployed in 2017...my most optimisticdate...but the F 35C wont even be ready by then. There is a huge order list infront. The Ford and QE class AC must be equipped first and the F 18s must be retired too. So what do you want us to do?...float an AC without an aircraft on it? my optimistic levels of equipping the IACs with fifth gen aircraft might take place by 2022. Even then F 35 must be on offer to us and our economy must be robust enough to buy it.

NLCA will be ready by then ,plus who knows IN may order Mig35K by then , if they do not want to buy F-35 or PAK FAGA naval version is not ready

 

[Crusader53]

IAC 2 will be deployed in 2017...my most optimisticdate...but the F 35C wont even be ready by then. There is a huge order list infront. The Ford and QE class AC must be equipped first and the F 18s must be retired too. So what do you want us to do?...float an AC without an aircraft on it? my optimistic levels of equipping the IACs with fifth gen aircraft might take place by 2022. Even then F 35 must be on offer to us and our economy must be robust enough to buy it.

Well, I doubt the IAC-2 will be ready by 2017. As IAC-1 hasn't even been pulled out of the dry dock. Regardless, the F-35C will be ready by 2017. As for being available then or even shortly after. I doubt it would be hard to find open slots to take any Indian Order. As many JSF Partners are currently going through hard times. Plus, the more orders the lower the unit price and more work for their Military Aerospace Industries. In short any India Order could be easily accommodated.

 

[Crusader53]

NLCA will be ready by then ,plus who knows IN may order Mig35K by then , if they do not want to buy F-35 or PAK FAGA naval version is not ready

Both are becoming obsolete fast with the advent of 5th Generation Types like the F-22, F-35, PAK-FA, and soon J-XX.

 

[AJSINGH]

Both are becoming obsolete fast with the advent of 5th Generation Types like the F-22, F-35, PAK-FA, and soon J-XX.

dont you see , IN wont be facing any threat from 5th generation aircraft,espicially from aircraft carrier, Pakistan does not have one and wont be able to operate one , China does have one ,but still struggling with Su33 , J-XX is long dream , buying F-35 for future aircraft carriers would be overkill

 

[nrj]

Eurojet offers EJ200 engines for both Air Force and Naval Variant of Tejas

Cross posting...

Eager to join hands with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and its associates in the development of India's Light Combat Aircraft 'Tejas-Mark II,' the Eurojet consortium is offering its engine that could be tweaked to work on its naval version.

"We are offering two variants of the EJ200, bidding for the India's LCA Mark-II which can be altered through a software change to suit the requirements for the naval version of the LCA," Eurojet Vice-President Sales Paul Hermann told a group of journalists here.

The Aeronautical Defence Agency (ADA), the nodal agency for the design and development of the LCA under the overall supervision of the DRDO, had sought a proposal from the EJ200 and the American GE414 engine. The order will be initially for 99 engines with 10 of these in ready-to-use condition. There is an option for additional 49 engines order.

Eurojet Chief Engineer Wolfgang Sterr said there were over 1,500 EJ200 engines for the 700-plus Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft under contract to six nations. He said the engine was suitable for the LCA and could be used for the naval variant that the ADA was working on.

The Eurofighter is in the race for the 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft that the IAF is acquiring.

The naval version requirement of greater thrust for take-off from an aircraft carrier can be met without altering the hardware of the engine. With a switch of software the EJ200 can be used for the naval variant and vice-versa.

While the company preferred not to make any direct comment on the price tag, EJ Sales Director Adrian Johnson, said it would be competitive in many aspects through low life cycle costs, transfer of technology and offering partnership to India for future development and enhancement of the engine and its systems.

The officials said, "If the Eurojet makes the grade, the organisation could also share its expertise in India's quest to develop indigenous Kaveri engine. We have experienced the challenge India is facing, At Rolls-Royce, it took us 100 years to get where we are"¦,"Mr. Johnson said.

The Eurojet consortium includes Rolls-Royce (England), MTU (German), ITP (Spain) and Avio (Italy).

Source

 

[Agantrope]

Both are becoming obsolete fast with the advent of 5th Generation Types like the F-22, F-35, PAK-FA, and soon J-XX.

LOL!!! Obsolete??

F-16s are still in operational as per your statement, it is obsolete, as well as Hornets. fast advent of 5th generation?? r u joking, apart from F-22 no aircraft will be in any soon time.

 

[Crusader53]

LOL!!! Obsolete??

F-16s are still in operational as per your statement, it is obsolete, as well as Hornets. fast advent of 5th generation?? r u joking, apart from F-22 no aircraft will be in any soon time.

Yes, they are all becoming obsolete.............Just as Piston Engined Fighters were at the close of the Second World War. With the advent of such fighters as the Me-262's, P-80's, and British Meteors.


Why do you think the Indian Navy is already interested in a New Fighter. When it just received brand new "Mig-29K's". HELLO