Indian Naval Aviation

[SATISH]

As the Russian navy is also going the MiG way we can see a naval FGFA based on the MiG LFI design. But greater things can be achieved if MiG is roped in with the MCA project.

 

[seiko]

As the Russian navy is also going the MiG way we can see a naval FGFA based on the MiG LFI design. But greater things can be achieved if MiG is roped in with the MCA project.

Is it affordable for them to have two types of sophisticated aircrafts?I mean i dont like to see different kind of aircraft's in Indian inventory..not putting all eggs in one basket doesnt mean that we should put eggs on all basket..MCRA-F-18 or Rafale,Then FGFA,MCA,Tejas,F-35 (highly likely due to the new found love) and the existing aicrafts like MiG-29 and Mirages which will stay for probably 2020 along with Jaguar ..just look at how many countries we are buying weapons from and just imagine the logistical nightmare?

 

[SATISH]

Is it affordable for them to have two types of sophisticated aircrafts?I mean i dont like to see different kind of aircraft's in Indian inventory..not putting all eggs in one basket doesnt mean that we should put eggs on all basket..MCRA-F-18 or Rafale,Then FGFA,MCA,Tejas,F-35 (highly likely due to the new found love) and the existing aicrafts like MiG-29 and Mirages which will stay for probably 2020 along with Jaguar ..just look at how many countries we are buying weapons from and just imagine the logistical nightmare?

Its Naval M-MRCA and not the IAF m-MRCA. You first need to delink the naval procurement process from the IAF process. The navy has gone along with an uproven platform at the seas...MiG 29K( I call it unproven because we are the first customers of a navalized MiG 29). MiG can be roped in for development of the MCA because they bring along with them much needed experience in testing parameters. Rafale and F 18 might be good for the next 20 years or so..but after that things will change.

 

[seiko]

Its Naval M-MRCA and not the IAF m-MRCA. You first need to delink the naval procurement process from the IAF process. The navy has gone along with an uproven platform at the seas...MiG 29K( I call it unproven because we are the first customers of a navalized MiG 29). MiG can be roped in for development of the MCA because they bring along with them much needed experience in testing parameters. Rafale and F 18 might be good for the next 20 years or so..but after that things will change.

I understand its N-MCRA i am just pointing out the no.of Aircrafts we are acquring..its most likely that we will opt for F-35 because its the best in current scenario..then what the purpose of going after MiG FGFA? (assuming if they devalop it)this means we have 2 fifth generation fighters and MiGs with constant upgradations for next 20 years minimum for Aircraft carriers only..

 

[SATISH]

I understand its N-MCRA i am just pointing out the no.of Aircrafts we are acquring..its most likely that we will opt for F-35 because its the best in current scenario..then what the purpose of going after MiG FGFA? (assuming if they devalop it)this means we have 2 fifth generation fighters and MiGs with constant upgradations for next 20 years minimum for Aircraft carriers only..

The problem with F 35 is the Buck stops there. There is nothing you can develop from it. But a N-MCA has a lot to offer our defence industry.

 

[seiko]

The problem with F 35 is the Buck stops there. There is nothing you can develop from it. But a N-MCA has a lot to offer our defence industry.

Oh sorry mate I thought you are saying about the MIGs FGFA..I agree with devaloping MCA with collabaration with MIGs to a fifth generation fighter ..It will be a learning experience and helps of defence industries ..

 

[neo29]

i personally feel that if at all any fighter say sh-18 will be chosen, then probably the same fighter may not be chosen for naval mrca.
if rafael chosen for mmrca then it wont be for naval mrca. same with gripen.

i may be wrong, but its logical to think that MoD will not want to buy same type of fighters for their airforce as well as navy. they will want variety in both the forces and not want to put money in same basket for both AF and Navy.

 

[RPK]

MiG-29K Makes Its Debut In Indian Skies.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

Airplane without Carrier, how much benefit we have.

 

[neo29]

Airplane without Carrier, how much benefit we have.

without carrier it can still fly and fight

 

[Rahul Singh]

Airplane without Carrier, how much benefit we have.

Blame the Russians.

 

[nandu]

Indian Navy to induct Mig-29K fighter jets

The Indian Navy will induct on Feb 19 the first four Russian-made Mig-29K combat jets for deployment on the aircraft carrier
Admiral Gorshkov.

"The aircraft will be formally inducted Feb 19," a senior Indian Navy official told.

The fighters are operating offshore Goa in the absence of aircraft carrier Gorshkov, which is to be commissioned as INS Vikramaditya. The combat jets had arrived in the country in knocked down condition last year Dec 4.

"The jets have been assembled and the Russian pilots are flying them. It is a standard procedure. Very soon Indian Navy pilots will take over from them," the official added.

The jets were purchased by the Indian Navy as part of a $1.5 billion deal signed with Russia in January 2004 for Admiral Gorshkov. Of this, $740 million was meant for the aircraft and the balance for refitting the carrier. The Russians have now upped the price to between $2.2 billion and $2.9 billion and negotiations are currently under way.

The navy will eventually be getting 12 MiG-29K single-seater aircraft and four MiG-29KUB twin-seat trainer aircraft, some in flyaway condition. The trainer version is similar to the single-seater but with a slightly reduced operational range.

The navy has named its MiG-29K squadron the "Black Panthers".

The jets will undertake shore-based sorties from Goa as the 45,000-tonne Kiev class aircraft carrier is scheduled to be delivered by 2012.

The contract for the jets also stipulates the procurement of hardware for pilot training and aircraft maintenance, including flight simulators and interactive ground and sea-based training systems.

Indian Navy pilots were sent to the US for deck landing training and qualified flying instructors (QFIs) to Russia for conversion flying (converting to different aircraft).

The pilots will do the conversion flying in Goa under the supervision of QFIs. Four to five batches comprising four pilots each had gone to the US for deck landing training.

The navy's MiG-29Ks have arrester gear and stronger landing gear for carrier landings, folding wings and rust-proofing to prevent corrosion from salt water.

The aircraft features a fully digitised glass cockpit, improved engine protection against ingestion of foreign particles like birds, a multi-mode radar and increased range. The contract ensures that the navy gets the entire spectrum of services, including a full mission simulator.

The MiG-29K will provide aerial cover to the carrier's battle group, acquire air superiority and destroy sea-borne and ground-based targets with guided high-precision weapons during the day and at night and in any weather condition.

The aircraft, the first bought by the navy after the Sea Harriers, will also be capable of playing the role of midair refueller.

In a bid to revamp its aviation capability, the Indian Navy will also be inking a contract to buy 29 more MiG-29Ks worth nearly $1.2 billion from Russia. A Russian team arrived here in January to finetune the contract terms.

 

[Sridhar]

Indian Navy to induct Mig-29Ks on 19 Feb

01 February 2010


New Delhi: The Indian Navy will induct the first lot of four Russian MiG-29K naval combat jets, meant for deployment onboard aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, on 19 February. The combat jets arrived last year, on 4 December, in a knocked-down condition.

The MiG-29K"The jets have been assembled and the Russian pilots are flying them. It is a standard procedure. Very soon Indian Navy pilots will take over from them," senior Indian Navy officers said.
The jets have been supplied under the original $1.5 billion deal signed with Russia in January 2004 for the refit and supply of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov and 16 MiG-29K fighters.
The original 2004 contract had visualised India paying $974 million for the ship's refit and an additional $600 million for the supply of 16 MiG-29K fighters. Massive undervaluation done by the Russians at the time of the signing of the contract, cost increases in materials, additional work requirements as sought by the Indian Navy, all together pushed the refit programme way beyond its original price.
Both sides have now agreed upon a new contract, which is estimated to be in the region of $2.3 billion.
The Indian Navy has, this last month, also agreed to purchase an additional lot of 29 MiG-29K fighters, at an estimated cost of $1.2 billion.

http://www.domainb.com/defence/sea/indian_navy/20100201_indian_navy.html

 

[RPK]

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...boeing-to-integrate-aft-radar-for-indias.html


SINGAPORE 2010: Boeing to integrate aft radar for India's P-8I


Boeing, in an effort to sell to India, plans to put a radar on the aft section of its P-8 multi-mission maritime aircraft and rope in Raytheon to give the platform a new air-to-air capability.

"We are in the process of integrating an aft radar," confirms Tim Norgart, Boeing's director of business development for airborne battle management.

Noting that Raytheon already makes the APY-10 radar for the P-8, he adds: "we are now exploring [incorporating] an air-to-air mode into that radar".

India is looking to order P-8s, but has asked that the aircraft have an air-to-air capability and a 360° radar.

The APY-10 provides 240° coverage from the P-8's nose section, leaving a 120° coverage gap behind the aircraft.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This maybe a new record for delivery and induction by Russia and India let's hope PAK-FA follows this trend.

 

[rakesh]

TYPHOON FOR INDIAN NAVY

MANCHING, GERMANY: "We are very interested in responding to the RFI that we have received from the Indian Navy. We plan to be a contender in the competition to be the Indian Navy's next-generation fighter aircraft," Dr Matthias Schmidlin told me during a brief interaction at the Eurofighter's final assembly facility forty minutes outside Munich. The Vice President of the rather lofty sounding India Campaign Directorate for EADS Military Air Systems has a nervous air about him -- he constantly glances at pre-prepared notes for a television interview, even though my for-the-record questions are mostly of a general nature. But when I rounded off the brief interview with a question about the Indian Navy's interest in the Typhoon, he smiles for the first time.

For one thing, a Sea Typhoon isn't a new idea from any stretch. In the past, there has been talk of the Royal Navy pulling out of the JSF programme in favour of a navalised Eurofighter. The navies of Italy and Spain have also sporadically put forward the idea of putting together a Sea Typhoon and hawking it in the global market. However, so far, no single point of interest has been incentive enough for EADS to proceed with anything even closely resembling a Sea Typhoon prototype. What they do have, however, is a fully finished concept study just waiting to fly off the drawing board. At least, that's what they say.

"A navalised Typhoon may soon be a reality. In fact, we have completed the groundwork for navalising the Typhoon since long and may pursue the respective entry into service based on ongoing campaigns," says Schmidlin. Eurofighter was mildly surprised to receive a request for information, alongside Boeing for its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab for the conceptual Sea Gripen.

Notwithstanding EADS' claim to have completed "all the groundwork" on the Sea Typhoon concept, navalising the Typhoon, like navalising any fighter jet not initially planned for deck-based operations, will be a onerous task to say the least. Even the fundamental airframe architecture of the Eurofighter seems to suggest that the platform would face serious issues over a range of areas, for instance the placement and configuration of its intakes, which may preclude the possibility of reinforced landing gear. That, in the event, would be only one of the questions that EADS claims it has solved with the Sea Typhoon concept, though it doesn't say how.

Doctrinally, it so happens, the concept of operating a heavy fighter (of the Su-33-class for instance) off aircraft carriers is something the Indian Navy has been toying with for long, though such ideas have been severely pushed about by the fact the very concept of an aircraft carrier force stands doctrinally questioned, albeit not in practice -- India still stands to receive the troubled Vikramaditya and at least two indigenously built aircraft carriers from the Cochin shipyard.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/01/typhoon-tour-part-2-typhoon-for-indian.html

 

[Dark_Prince]

View Fly-By-Wire Cockpit of MIG-29K

View Fly-By-Wire Cockpit of MIG-29K (Simulator)

 

[Dark_Prince]

MIG-29K tests aboard the "Admiral Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier

Mig-29K tests aboard the "Admiral Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier in the Barents Sea - 28th and 29th Sep 2009. In last part of the Video Indian MIG-29K takes off for trials!

 

[Dark_Prince]

MIG-29K: Great view of the avionic Displays


MIG-29K: Great view of the avionics displays

 

[Sridhar]

Naval Migs goes supersonic while locals panic in South Goa

BY : IDRW.ORG NEW NETWORK
Barely five days ago three loud explosion in three different areas in south Goa heard a loud bang few even spotted a Naval jets flying over the areas, Navy earlier denied that the jets might have dropped any Bombs in the sea but after similar loud sound heard in other areas and complaints by locals, navy has come clean and said that newly arrived Mig-29k have been doing Induction exercise and has gone supersonic in few times which might have been the cause of the large explosion heard by the locals ,Chief minister of Goa Digamber Kamat has requested Navy to conduct this exercises in Deep sea away from the population , freelance reporter Vinayak Shetty based in Goa has confirmed that the Mig-29k have been conducting low level pass around surrounding areas from it Naval base INS Hansa where they are situated .officially Mig-29k will be inducted in to Indian Navy only on 19Febuary but Induction Training and Exercise has been conducted with Russian Instructors with Newly Trained pilots of Indian Navy to get familiar with the new jets , While India will soon order more 29 of this jets which will be based on INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier which is under major reconstruction in Russian shipyard. Mr. Shetty said that Goans are used to Seeing Subsonic Sea harriers and Kiran MK-II trainer jets flying around but this first time they are seeing and hearing a naval Jet crossing the sound barrier because of this locals feared that Naval jets have been dropping Explosive bombs in the sea, he also went on to say that Migs have been flying quite often this days mostly seen in pairs.


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