That will be about ten volume of books each about 1000 pages. And that is available on net - soil studies, geological patterns, subsurface hydrology, surface structures, water system, Canal systems etc etc. Tank designers are not DODOs. Is someone being invited to design tanks or toys ? Are you guys scientists or some Babus ?Does it serve anybodies purpose to say “Both sides of western border”. Why cannot the DGMF say what is there on the other side of the western border. What is to be expected in terms of canal depths, ditch cum bund preparations, road conditions, soil conditions.
In this video speak Russian:And I don't understand their philosophy either . if some expert can give us insight on it, it would be great. I mean every western country is having heavy tanks and they have proven to be devastating against the Russian tanks.
For instance, I read that one M1Abrams took out seven Iraqi tanks in the desert single handedly and still could not be destroyed. It was only salavged part by part since it had some engine failure or something.
Now that is the kind of tanks I want in Indian army
The devil is in the detail. What you have heard, is only part of the story. Those Iraqi tanks were downgraded version of their Soviet counterparts. Google "Lion of Babylon." There are plenty of discussions as to what exactly had the biggest role in destroying those Iraqi T-72s, and it was not the M1A1 Abrams.And I don't understand their philosophy either . if some expert can give us insight on it, it would be great. I mean every western country is having heavy tanks and they have proven to be devastating against the Russian tanks.
For instance, I read that one M1Abrams took out seven Iraqi tanks in the desert single handedly and still could not be destroyed. It was only salavged part by part since it had some engine failure or something.
Now that is the kind of tanks I want in Indian army
Well if it would have auto loader then what is the need of 4 men crew ?
Sir, This is what FMBT ready for prototyping and now someone is screaming hard for Russia ..
So story so far,
Russians have sold T72M, GSQR was made, then change for heavy tank, Arjun tank was made, while in testing Army buy emergency purchase of T90M tanks without testing. Arjun later come into picture.
Tank contest happen, T90M was beaten by Arjun MK-1.
Now Arjun MK-2 is made. Plus DRDO asked for GSQR for FMBT.
Russia who was going to make FMBT first cancel the project. Later they made T14. (notice stress was made for crew survival, which is already in Arjun tank, so russian wake up to this fact that their tanks don't stress on survival of crew)
DGMF, issued new GSQR for FMBT family (with Russia tank in mind).
BTW few days ago our DM said. (Parrikar) "sometimes General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR) laid down by Armed forces in the weapons systems to be developed in India seems like right out of ” Marvel comic Movies “
Sir, in 1965, the canal system and obstacles were less developed still the tanks bogged down.. no movement beyond ten km both sides^^ @Bhadra , sir which tank will operate here ? T90 ?
my understanding is DGMF love for foreign maal. Or else original GSQR wont be that.Good, so this is your understanding of the whole issue ?
Does one has to be from DRDO to be a moderator? I hope you will keep that in mind while moderating !
So far as "Marvel Comic Movies" is concerned, most of present day scientific innovations were part of yesterdays marvel comic movies !! Our scientist's problems seems to be that they can not visualise and think of only bhoot mirchy.
out of box thinking is flying tank.Sir, in 1965, the canal system and obstacles were less developed still the tanks bogged down.. no movement beyond ten km both sides
In 1971, the irrigation system and consequentially the obstacle system were relatively more developed .. so Tanks bogged down .. once again.. no movement beyond 15 km.. both sides
Hence it is not the question of T-90 or Arjun or any existing technology.. there is a real problem and DGMF is asking for solution of the problem through technical routes.. through design route..
through out of box thinking and new ideas... something like BMP would not bog down so let us mount guns on those but a single old RPG will shatter it down .. so what .. what to do ??
Any one who has those solutions please give it .....
The story of Arjun is quite different .. it is that you are making a tank for last 30 years .. so make it.. then it has defects so rectify it.. it has further problems so amend defects.. it has become 68 tons ... no problems we will accept 124 but not beyond...
it was just patronising act if IA it at low risks.. no problem 2 regiments.. no problem make it four but nothing beyond that..... and DODOs bully IA by blackmail media campign what not and what not... no it is final.... IA says lay off.. and now it is lay off...
After all there are many good things IA has adopted in larger numbers .. DRDO products .. but DRDO has developed a culture of politicking...
If this is the standard of your comments , it is better not to spam the thread and not to troll.my understanding is DGMF love for foreign maal. Or else original GSQR wont be that.
pls inform if T90M satisfy GSQR.
Thanks, I am trying to follow that too. I quoted here just to impress that there can be "out of box' thinking and innovations in tank technology too, in response to some comments.This report from IDRW, which is derived from claims from Rzeczpospolita are things that are being envisaged in the future. There is already a discussion in progress in this regard: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/t-14-armata.32008/page-15#post-1050788
It is quite obvious that the T-90 also will not be able to operate there with more ground pressure than Arjun.I'll give you a straight answer without bringing in a whole bunch of red herrings to obfuscate the question.
The answer is: No, T-90 will not be able to operate there.
Sir, from my little knowledge [I am not from military background] tells me that tanks operations are not suitable for the punjab marshy land, any large armour thrust will be dengerous and will turn into a killing flields... Even good old PT-76 will also get into trouble ... so we have to think something different strategy to fight inthose areas...Sir, in 1965, the canal system and obstacles were less developed still the tanks bogged down.. no movement beyond ten km both sides
In 1971, the irrigation system and consequentially the obstacle system were relatively more developed .. so Tanks bogged down .. once again.. no movement beyond 15 km.. both sides
Hence it is not the question of T-90 or Arjun or any existing technology.. there is a real problem and DGMF is asking for solution of the problem through technical routes.. through design route..
through out of box thinking and new ideas... something like BMP would not bog down so let us mount guns on those but a single old RPG will shatter it down .. so what .. what to do ??
Any one who has those solutions please give it .....
Again you have started DRDO bashing, on the delay in Arjun we have discussed it out endless times... If IA can accept T-90 will many deficiencies then why not Arjun ?The story of Arjun is quite different .. it is that you are making a tank for last 30 years .. so make it.. then it has defects so rectify it.. it has further problems so amend defects.. it has become 68 tons ... no problems we will accept 124 but not beyond...
it was just patronising act if IA it at low risks.. no problem 2 regiments.. no problem make it four but nothing beyond that..... and DODOs bully IA by blackmail media campign what not and what not... no it is final.... IA says lay off.. and now it is lay off...
After all there are many good things IA has adopted in larger numbers .. DRDO products .. but DRDO has developed a culture of politicking...